Why wouldn't the FBS Conferences vote for a Conf Champ Auto bid? Except SEC
ND and maybe the B1G don't want it for obvious reasons. The SEC wants to fill the playoff up with SEC teams, ND wants it made easier for them to make the playoff as an Independent and the B1G is acting like an Alliance team, until they invade your conference again.
I realize 1 no vote right now and nothing goes forward. However, why wouldn't all the Conferences other than those 3 votes, just wait a couple of years when the majority wins and vote that each Conference gets an Auto-Bid to the playoff. Why wouldn't they do that? The SEC will leave? Sure that would hurt the other Conferences some, but that likely will hurt the SEC even more with them ticking off every other school that's not an SEC school. I know we are used to seeing the SEC and ND (the school that has the same number of votes as every Conference that has 10-16 schools) get their way. However, where is their leverage on this one? I am sure there is something I am missing, but I don't see the SEC/ND leverage here, for the first time, in a long time.
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4y
Heavily weighted in favor of the P5. This was before the Sec and Big 10 expanded.
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regret the day that they let the B1G use their "fear and hatred" of the SEC to blind them to what the B1G was up to. The B1G is the "true villain" in all of this so far in my opinion.
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even if they did, read that article below, they don't want anything to do with them now.
They want as many at large bids as they can get, so they have at least 50% of the playoff spots.
PS I don't trust the B1G, but I would like to see proof on where the SEC backed auto bids.
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the ACC/PAC got used and abused by the B1G is it relates to this topic. The B1G will not want AQs now either. The SEC and B1G want as many spots for themselves (and I dont blame them), why do they want AQs to take those spots. The ACC/PAC are going to regret being hood winked by the B1G
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members - as they should. Bottom line - they have known for years how the college football landscape was going to change and they acted in their best interests - again, as they should. Shame on all the other conferences for not seeing, not acting, not caring - maybe all of the above.
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their fault, but if they keep going they are going to make it a Deep South sport, just like NASCAR. The professional sports teams like the NFL, MLB and NBA have checks and balances to keep it a national sport, College football needs a Commissioner and rules to do the same.
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3y
unless you want to include UMd as a "southern" team. Right? So, at this point the P2 are making it a Northeast, mid-west, southeast, and pacific coast sport, and not just a "deep south sport". About the only geographic region in the USA they are missing is the mountain.
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3y
expands more, and I mean a whole lot more, we can talk. However, right now, it's focused on two areas, with only one that wins National Championships on a regular basis. In fact with the mid-west there was only one team with a chance Ohio State, until Michigan made the playoff last year. Let's see if they can get it up to two with sustained playoff experience, Either way, that's not a lot of success compared to the Deep South.
PS Maryland is more of northeast school to me both culturally and location wise.
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I especially like that they're figuring out the best ways to compensate these players. I have zero clue what that dill rod the ACC ran out there was trying to say. He was just in reactionary mode i suppose. That's pretty much been the story for the ACC for twenty years.
They've been late to the party for everything.
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Honestly, an option for us would be to insist on that arrangement, but with one new rule, no more than two teams per conference. That would actually be great for the ACC. Plus ND would back that up.
If not, we have justification to go our own way, as discussed further in this thread.
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they need. 11 votes, you just need 6 of them.
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and B1G grow to 20-24 each and tell the others to go pound sand. The left out schools can stand on some perceived moral high ground while the college football world is watching (and paying to watch) the SEC/B1G. If you call that a "victory", well......
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I think even the ACC would not want that. Imagine Liberty getting an AQ bid to the new playoffs. Nope. :^)
The fact that the four byes were all conference champs was pretty cool, IMO, and equally as good an idea as six AQs.
Just add a rule to have only two teams per conference allowed, and I'd accept it.
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4y
Not to mention all the best schools too. Selfish acts breed other selfish acts.
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I don't think the ACC rejected it because of the auto bid provision. They
rejected it because it would be clear under the proposal that ND would never join the ACC then. And I think the ACC and other teams rejected the CFP-12 model because it was lame and an obvious ploy to get ND a home game while giving SEC and 3 other champs a bye. It was also rushed right before all these other changes were coming as well. Then when the OU/UT plan was leaked, it caused everyone to slam on the breaks. It's good that it was blocked.
Now, cut out the nonsense. Go to 16 teams. 10 champs. 6 at large. Let a committee select the 6. And a separate committee seed the tournament. The SEC and B1G runners up and ND can battle it out for the 6 remaining spots.
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that if the ACC had just capitulated to a 12 team playoff last year , everything would be great, and therefore they brought all this heartache on themselves ....complete BS. The more I hear the SEC and B1G commishes talk the more I am of mind to f'it, I don't want VT to be part of the charade and just take the Big 12 , the PAC and do our own playoff. How bad could that be? I'd watch.
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3y
This is splitting hairs here. If the ACC sticks together, VT is out of the bigtime college athletics business. i just want this league to end. it's been horrendous for the Hokies, perhaps more so than any program. The schedules they've been providing us have been the absolute worst. And that matter$.
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None of the these people saying "Yeah, we should have taken the deal"
were saying it last year. Total Monday morning quarterbacking.
Heck, the CFP status quo favors the B1G and SEC anyway. Each conference could get two bids and everyone else is left to watch. So in a way comparing the CFP-4 to the CFP-12 doesn't really matter. The SEC and B1G are the ones with the problem though. They are going to have blue bloods that have had 2 or 3 losses hung on them and will still think they are entitled to a playoff spot.
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If SEC and B1G won't play, insist on 10 champions vs P5 only. Do not fold.
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I think our best chance is the original 12 team proposal with a limit of two per conference. After all, a few months ago the SEC was trying to ram that down our throats. It would be hard for them to justify opposing it now, although I'm sure they would do so.
I would also propose that the NCAA run it, just like any other championship. Take that toy away from everyone.
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wait.
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4y
(1) They both stand the best chance to have multiple teams get in.
(2) They can have a (4) team playoff within their own conference and generate a ton of revenue that they dont have to share with anyone.
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4y
Let's not be shortsighted about the playoff plans. We talk in terms of P5 and G5 because those were the designations invented by the playoff committee. They may not be relevant for long.
What happens if The B1G adds ND and some PAC 12 schools to reach 20 members? Think they will be satisfied with sending two teams off to somebody else's stadium to earn money for ESPN? They will definitely conduct a B1G conference playoff and send their champion off to whatever playoff exists. If the NCAA try to disallow the conference playoff they will lose the B1G schools as members. How much media money and gate receipts can they gain from their own playoff? The SEC is likely considering the same. They hinted at such not so long ago.
And I believe that basketball revenue will further incentivize all major conferences to exit the NCAA. The contract for the NCAA to manage the March Madness tournament runs through the 2032 season. It will be a much diminished event if major conferences withdraw.
The reason I think this will happen is strictly based on the money that is being left on the table by the current systems through which we determine FB and MBB champions. We don't yet know the degree to which NIL donations have reduced the previous levels of giving to the schools proper. But by logic we can assume that NIL giving will take a bite out of the traditional donor pie. The conferences who have sufficient resources (yeah, those two) will raise money by holding internal events before joining the nation tournaments. If/when they exit the NCAA look for longer seasons, more conference games, and unlimited scholarships. Use your imagination to predict the ways these cash machines will expand.
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will have a 4 (maybe 6) team playoff for their conference championship - and that money is ALL THEIRS. And it will generate a TON of money. What do they care about NCAA playoff that they have to share the money from - and compete for spots.
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probably closer to the equivalent of the NFL and the USFL. You can decide for yourself which is which.
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USC has not been in the playoffs, yet. And the others have missed it more than the ACC has.
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Hold firm on Conference Champs for all P-5 conferences. If SEC and/or B1G want to stage their own tournament... let them go ahead. It would draw some ratings... but honestly, would fans of teams not in the B1G or SEC really care that much?
The "real" playoff would feature the ACC / Big XII / Pac-12 + G5 and at larges. The games would likely feature new matchups (rather than an all-SEC final), likely be competitive and the winner would be declared National Champion. The B1G/SEC playoff champion can declare themselves Champions too... and we are back to the 1970s with an AP poll and UPI poll Champ that didn't play each other.
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Any playoff that was just the B10 and the SEC would be an SEC final every year. Same goes if ND joins up. The B10 would tire of that pretty fast.
The only chance is if they game it to have no SEC on one side, which is something we should be doing already, frankly. And if they do that, the final will get ridiculed, and not just by SEC fans who will insist that there should be two SEC teams in it.
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I'd ask the NCAA to run it. It worked for basketball. The NIT was way better back in the day. The NCAA would give cover to any team that won it to claim a national championship. It would literally be an NCAA championship. It could even be included in the Sears rankings.
I'd work a few gimmicks into it, like have a slot reserved for the best service academy. That would be a huge constituency to have behind the idea.
Then pray like hell that the first final game is not Fresno State vs Tulsa.
If the final four were something like OK State vs Boise State and Oregon vs Clemson, which is would be in most years, if would get a lot of attention. There would be lots of talk about whether or not they could have beaten the LIV champion. Most would say no, but the conversation would shame the LIV side, and that would be perfect.
If you could get ND to play along, which I doubt they would at first, it would definitely work over time to break up the LIV playoffs.
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The SEC/B1G champ would be viewed as the real national champion
more so than the ACC-PAC-B12-G5. But the point is, it would be disjointed. Even worse than the days before the BCS computers matched 1 and 2.
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4y
They can say what they want, but a lot of people will stop watching them. They are at risk of backing up like NASCAR and having a mainly regional following.
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Zero interest watching SEC repeat games. It will become regional. I was surprised to see Greg Sankey acknowledge that in the interview linked today.
The B1G will try to do what the SEC is doing, but the SEC is so far ahead of the B1G it's not a level playing field.
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3y
That was a joke to begin with. You two and Swofford were apparently the only ones who ever believed that crap. Actually, sadly, VT's leadershp may have been buying that drivel too.
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3y
have no idea how you got away with it for 15 years or so. Turns out all those people you were going after were far more correct about things than you've ever been.
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3y
Different name, same flame!!!!
PS Your history shows that you have been on this board for 4 days, you know a lot for 4 days, LOL!!! Consider yourself muted, you feel good by trying to make others feel bad, so sad, just so sad!!!
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4y
Those key B1G and SEC matchups, including championship games and bowls will lose ratings if half the country's college sports fans are no longer involved in that tier of the sport. You canntot allienate too many very large fan bases, fan bases like vT, and expect them to remain consumers of your product. And if VT is relegated to an uncompetetive sphere, I'm no longer interested.
I'll no longer have a rooting interest. They gonna leave out the entire Mountain and western time zones, except for LA? Thy gonna leave out the entire NE? They gonna leave out Virginia, WVU, and the Carolinas? Are Clemson, Miami, and FSU fan bases gonna be left behind? IT sucks.
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The SEC alone could not be a playoffs. But the B10, ND and the SEC stand a chance of pulling off a separate playoffs, and keeping all the money for themselves. It sucks to have such jerk friends.
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The B1G, back in Delaney's day, was a constant thorn in Swofford's side. They/he rejected everything the ACC proposed in order to weaken the league. It worked for them. The Greensboro Country Club crew were in way over their heads in that battle. While the aCC started on equal footing, the B1G was clearly dominant by the time Swofford and his cronies had left.
I remember those guys trying to push through championship game reforms by partnering with the Big12. Delaney and his guys made the unprecedented move of passing the Big12's requests while rejecting the ACC's. LOL!
Then, remember when Swofford tried to covertly pick off Penn State? Well, how did that work for him? The B1G quickly drove a dagger directly through the heart of the ACC by gobbling up the DC and NY/NJ markets. And as sucky as maryland and rutgers have been, Delaney had officially brought that league to the East Coast.
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....to "pick off Penn State" from the Big Ten?
It seems like no conference is a friend of any other.
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3y
selfishness rules. Before the MLB put rules in place to even the playing field and keep a national audience, the Yankees dominated it, like Alabama does College Football.
If 80% of the coaches say we are going to pay the players like they said in a recent survey, then we need rules to keep it a national sport otherwise it will be Bama all over again. The B1G is so far competing at the money level (ratings), but they are not competing that well compared to the SEC (rankings). If the top tier in football just becomes a Deep South sport. then they are going to lose a massive amount of viewers and eventually the money will dry up. So while they are winning in the short run, like NASCAR, if only one part of the country really watches, that's going to show up in their pocket book, and just take a look at all of the empty seats at a NASCAR race now, and it is mind blowing to what it used to be 20 years ago. Mind blowing bad!!!
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They will always be second to the SEC now, IMO. Their only chance was to reign them in with the Alliance.
In a sixteen team playoffs, they won't be in the championship game or even the final four.
And if we actually do split into two playoffs, the B10 will really suffer in the SEC/B10 playoffs.
The final will be all SEC in most years.
If they split into an SEC side and a B10 side, people will say why not just put the two champions in the final and skip the rest? Plus, TV won't like that because it will limit interest in the early games.
If they make the first round into four SEC/B10 pairings, what happens when all the B10 teams lose right away, which they very well might. Viewership goes into the toilet. The B10 will be made fun of.
What happens when they pick teams for it by ranking, and six are from the SEC and two from the B10? Certainly, it will be 5-3 every year.
What happens when two or three non-SEC/B10 teams are ranked higher than a couple of the SEC/B10 teams? What if one of them is #2? People will say those teams should have been included, and might have won it (not true, but compare it to the B10 that ACTUALLY lost).
What happens if they try to work ND into it? ND will displace a B10 team in most years, causing them to have even fewer teams in it. Plus the B10 will not want them in it, because that will ruin all leverage they have over ND to join the B10. I think they will want to leave ND out.
Also, regardless of how they do it, the champion will always be suspect, essentially picked by the polls after the season.
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That's why getting to the P4 which are in regions with 4 conference champions was the best to keep national participation, and keep the bowls going.
There was still a chance until this USC/UCLA move. This blew that to hell. Pulling from the Big XII was needed to get to P4. But blowing away the PAC12 ended this objective and set us toward a P2, which is really a P1 SEC.
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3y
OSU, Michigan, Penn State, ND, Oregon?, USC. These squads can all compete with Bama if they're on equal ground with money. Heck, I got a longshot bet on USC winning it all this year.
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national championships does that illustrious group have in the last 23 years? How many playoff appearances where they were actually competitive? Do they even have half as many as the SEC West?
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3y
Outside of Bama you mean. National titles since 1999.
Bama 6
LSU 3
Florida 2
Clemson 2
FSU 2
OSU 2
USC 2
OKlahoma 1
Texas 1
Auburn 1
UGA 1
Miami 1
So, Bama 6, rest of the NEW SEC 9, and everybody else 9. Yes, the SEC has been dominant, but if you take away Bama, there's others who have been able to get it done.
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the reconstituted Big 10 has 4, one of which was shared. You really don't have a clue as usual.
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Especially if you remove the anomaly that is Alabama. Cause Bama ain’t always gonna be Bama. Watch Ohio State and USC moving forward.
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that schools outside the SEC have done it. Whether it is in fact plenty would depend on one's opinion of what constitutes plenty. What you DID NOT PROVE is your original statement that started this discussion which was that there are "plenty of programs in this new B1G" that can do it. The B1G as reconstituted has 4 championships which include 1 shared by USC and one(OSU) as the beneficiary of a dubious pass interference call. I will watch OSU and USC as well as the rest of the B1G to see whether your predictions prove accurate but, I am far from convinced given the historical track records of the schools and the accuracy of your other previous predictions.
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No current G5 will vote for a CFP option that leaves them totally out. ND won't and they can't get access and exclude G5 access; at least not right now. And if Px football (and/or basketball) thinks it might go its own way, there is no reason to sign a CFP contract until after that happens.
Hopefully D1 recommendations will become public by Fall but I'm not holding my breath. They haven't even published meeting notes since early June.
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Give the two highest ranked G5 teams entry and that should satisfy them. And use rankings (not conf champ games) to avoid an upset where an undefeated G5 team might lose to an 8-4 team. That would keep the playoff quality higher and reward good seasons from the G5.
What you want to avoid is giving a playoff spot to an 8 win G5 champ and leaving out a 12 win G5 runner up who had one bad game.
But no way they give auto bids to all G5 conferences. They don’t deserve that many spots each year. 2 guaranteed spots is good. And they could always earn more with at large bids.
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round of the FBS Playoff is at a neutral site, then I could see the committee opt to select a P5 team with a worse record than a G5 team simply because they assume the P5 team will have more fans show up to the game. If any rounds are played at the higher seed's stadium, then the committee may not want to chance playing a game at a G5 stadium because the G5 stadiums tend to be smaller than a P5 stadium.
The economics of the situation could be enough for the committee to limit the G5 involvement to the G5's automatic bids. Also, the only way the G5s get any at-large bids is if the number of undefeated G5 teams is greater than the number of automatic bids. On the flip side, the G5s being limited on the participation could be enough for the G5s to sue that the structure violates antitrust laws because the G5s and P5s didn't receive the same number of automatic bids given that "deserve" is a highly subjective term in the world of college football.
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4y
That's a good observation about stadium size. It's exactly the kind of money issue that will carry weight in the decision.
It also made me consider how the expanded elimination rounds will affect attendance. How many fans will travel to two, three, or four destinations during the playoff season. It narrows the pool of live attendees to a well-heeled few.
As to why this is all still undecided, remember that by 2026, we may not have five "P" conferences or five "G" conferences. Contracts ending prior to the playoff renewal:
2024 - B1G, PAC, CUSA, MAC
2025 - Big 12, Notre Dame
2026 - MWC and Playoff
Who knows what college football will look like by then.
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4y
If you look at the last 5 seasons, almost all of the top G5 teams who make national noise are UCF, Cincinnati, or BYU. All three of them are set to join the Big 12.
The only other ones were one Coastal Carolina team and one Western Michigan team. Both of which had very weak schedules. So the counter argument is that the G5 has lost almost all of their best teams to the P5. So why does the G5 deserve multiple guaranteed spots?
The G5 quality has been hit hard with the poaching of the top teams.
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opponent though in terms of any scheduling requirement. So should BYU be included in the G5 group?
WRT the "quality" issue, I'm not sure that even matters when it comes to antitrust laws. Right now no conference is receiving an automatic bid. As a result, a defense to a potential antitrust lawsuit would be that technically at the beginning of the season all FBS schools have an equal percentage chance to earn 1 of the 4 at-large bids. Now perceptually most people would say that isn't a true statement because the P5s have an inherent advantage over the G5s. The law may not care about perception in this case though because of how the antitrust laws are currently written. Once certain conferences start to receive automatic bids and other conferences don't, then there's a change in requirements which creates an unfair advantage. Instead of P5s being required to go either undefeated, 1 loss, or 2 losses to secure a bid, a team could lose 3-6 games and still earn an automatic bid. Whereas the G5s would have to continue to go undefeated, 1 loss, or 2 losses to potentially secure a bid. At least I would expect a lawsuit if every FBS conference doesn't receive an automatic bid to the FBS Playoff. It is also why I think a 12-team FBS Playoff will probably end up being all at-large bids so the P5s can continue receiving the most bids while avoiding any potential antitrust lawsuits.
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And helps legally as you mentioned.
One thing I’ve learned over the years is that lawyers are always involved and influencing what happens and how it happens. So any approach will be carefully vetted and approved before we become aware of it.
The other thing is to never underestimate the greed capacity of people. And for some people, this will always be their focus. Which means that the greater good for college football will never really exist as long as a few are only self interested.
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champions that would still avoid antitrust issues because the automatic bids aren't tied directly to any specific conference. So technically all 10 FBS conferences would still have an equal shot to earn 1 of the 6 automatic bids at the beginning of each season. The P5s might be able to sell that proposal to the G5s.
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Conference Champions and they are happy. Now the SEC is furious because they want half of the bids, so they can dominate everyone else. This would slow that train down and probably expansion too,
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The G5 should propose a playoffs for 2026 now, and see how many we can get on board with it. Make it very beneficial to the G5s to get all of them to buy-in, and very limiting to the P5 (the ACC, B12, and PAC now need this).
Ask the NCAA run it, call it the NCAA Football Tournament.
It should include two autobids from every conference, one indy, and limits on who can participate (no unlimited budgets).
If the B1G/SEC want to go their own way, so be it. It think it would end up like the battle between the NCAA and the NIT.
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the situation it is a pretty simple matter. You have the 10 FBS conferences and ND with a vote. Prior to the expiration of the current CFP any change would require a unanimous vote. Subsequent to the expiration of the current CFP would require only a majority vote. It becomes a matter of counting heads and getting to either 6 votes for a subsequent change or a unanimous vote for an earlier change. Neither the SEC nor the B10 have leverage now they once had. The G5 with a united block of 5 could have leverage, as you say, since it only takes one of the ACC, PAC12 or Big 12 to side with them. ND was in the position to be the tiebreaker of a P5/G5 stalemate but, that likely went out the door with the SEC and B10 expansion moves. It would be karma were the vote be to go to a 12-team playoff with 10 conference AQs and 2 at large.
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It is too easy to bribe one of them with some guaranteed future schedules that give good payouts. SEC can get the sun belt on board and the BIG can get the MAC on board.
Too many paths exist for the P2 to get what they want. No chance that there will be auto bids for every G5 conference. They would keep it at 4 teams before they ever gave the G5 that much power.
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right but, the bribe you mention is a conference not a school and the math would have to work out. By the math I mean potentially the AQs for G5 versus the schedule payouts. It is all about the money but, I am not sure there are as many paths for a P2 as you believe. Right now you have 4 factions for 11 votes( the G5, the P2, the remaining 3 and ND) and the question is who will form voting alliances.
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something that would help them and slow the domination by these two in expansion and money. Many schools are getting tired of being controlled by them.
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4y
All the big money is behind the P2 right now. So they could very easily take several different paths that don’t include the G5 at all in the regular season or the playoffs. They hold all the leverage.
The G5 would be taking a HUGE risk by voting against the P5 and especially the P2. So the compromise is that the P5 offers up 1-2 spots to the G5 in exchange for their votes. And at least a couple of the G5 conferences will vote for that because it is better to get 10% of $1 billion than none of it. The G5 does not have power here and they know it. They best they can do is negotiate for a small piece of the pie.
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4y
One thing, I think ND might be okay with 16 and 10 automatics to the Conferences. That still leaves 6 at large for them to get. The same is true for the SEC, but I think they are concerned they would beat each other up so much, that having all the football factories might back fire on them. It's either that, or they are looking for a reason to be mad and break off. I still think they want the NCAA out of everything and they want to make the money for the other sports like they do in football. In the survey below, 80% said we will be paying players one day, of course they want the most money to pay them, and IMHO that's not just for football.
** Edited by Stech at 8/2/2022, 1:11:44 PM
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4y
and the question becomes, what is revenue difference between 12 and 16 team format and does one format or the other offer the schools more leverage over their TV partner(s).
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4y
Seriously, Mad Dog 2020 has thrown everything that a lot of people thought was happening on it's ear. I had heard since 2003 when I thought Tech was left out of the ACC that we were going to P-4 16 teams and auto bids for the winners of those mega conferences. (Yes ND would have to join one and it would almost certainly be the ACC since they wanted to be with other Private Schools). There was a lot that happened that seemed to confirm that, then 2020 happened and it seems like all of that has turned on it's ear. Now we (ACC) is teaming with the G5 and a weakened PAC to survive. Better be nice to people, because you never know who your next partner is going to be.
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4y
If the G5, ACC, PAC and Big 12 vote for an automatic qualifier to Conference Champs once this gets to a majority vote, instead of a unanimous vote it is now, how do you come up with the votes to stop it?
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