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VTHokie2000
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VTHokie2000

Promotion/Relegation isn't in the American culture though. If it was, then

MLS would already be doing it now. If anything, I would think the elite schools will want to keep this league exclusive in order to drive up its value. Otherwise, there is a risk that a school like JMU could end up crashing the party and potentially de-value the product while JMU collects that phat check. Plus, there is no guarantee that a promoted school will meet all the minimum requirements associated with the league. Beside, if the college football is truly going to include a promotion/relegation system, then it probably should include DI-FBS, DI-FCS, DII, and DIII schools. FWIW the English Football League System has 21 tiers.

Another reason the Big XII may be doing its expansion in phase is the conference is waiting to see if there are any changes to the rule. For example, if conferences no longer have to have divisions and play a round robin schedule (if a conference with more than 12 teams eliminates the divisions), then it gives the Big XII more on which schools to include on its target list. However, if the conferences with 12+ members still must divide up into 2 divisions and play a round robin division schedule or play a round robin conference schedule (if there are no divisions), then the target list may be much smaller even if the Big XII decides to incorporate rotating pods/quads.

Now what could be interesting to see play out is if the Pac-12 decides to add Boise State and UNLV to become the Pac-14 in an effort to try to block the Big XII from expanding into the Pac-12's territory. Boise State could be placed in the North Division and UNLV in the South Division to allow the Pac-14 to continue along without missing a beat. If that were to happen, the Big XII may decide to not expand west beyond BYU because Nevada and the remaining CA schools are not as desirable since UNLV is no longer an option. FWIW Boise State and Memphis appear to be the leading candidate if the Big XII implement Phase 2 of its expansion plan. At least what is written at the end of the article is giving people the impression the Big XII isn't done. If the Big XII expands to 14, then it may opt to implement Phase 3 especially if UNLV, San Diego St, maybe South Florida, etc. are still available.
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Posted: 04/13/2022 at 02:11 PM ET
(In response to this post by Maroon Baboon)

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Dabo Swinney on CFB: "40 or 50 teams and a commissioner"
goldendomer • 04/09/22 12:01 AM ET
6 conferences of 7 teams each
obguthr • 04/10/22 11:03 AM ET
UNC and UVA will follow the money**
MrFantastic! • 04/12/22 05:56 AM ET
How much television revenue would it generate?**
EDGEMAN • 04/11/22 10:06 AM ET
Gee, maybe there will be a TRANSFORMATION COMMITTEE that works on this
daveinop • 04/10/22 08:36 AM ET
My first question: Would VT follow into this new alignment?**
VTNSC • 04/09/22 12:27 PM ET
If we are talking closer to 40 teams, then probably not unless VT
VTHokie2000 • 04/09/22 02:41 PM ET
For the sake of argument, what impact would be on VT if it were included
IB4TECH • 04/16/22 09:19 AM ET
Good question. It might depend on what "rules" the group agrees upon.
VTHokie2000 • 04/16/22 11:25 AM ET
Currently only about 15 or fewer schools average 80,000. VT typically ranks
wwhokie1 • 04/13/22 03:00 PM ET
The number was just a random number I threw out there.
VTHokie2000 • 04/13/22 03:41 PM ET
According to a 2020 article by College Football News the top 40 in
wwhokie1 • 04/13/22 05:25 PM ET
I don't disagree if attendance is the deciding factor.
VTHokie2000 • 04/13/22 05:30 PM ET
Its not atemdamce. Its money
Mercury • 04/11/22 08:18 AM ET
Attendance will be a factor though because this league will want programs
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 04:18 AM ET
Stadium capacity does not need to increase.**
marcbvtgm • 04/10/22 03:47 PM ET
If the new league decides to have a minimum stadium requirement in order
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 04:20 AM ET
Lane is in the Top 25 in stadium capacity right now.
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 03:35 PM ET
Yes, VT can add to Lane. However, there is no guarantee that the
VTHokie2000 • 04/09/22 06:11 PM ET
Ok lets do math
Mercury • 04/11/22 08:20 AM ET
And consider the impact of money spent. Money spent on expanding Lane will
wwhokie1 • 04/13/22 05:33 PM ET
Maybe decrease the price of admission or give unsold tickets to...
EDGEMAN • 04/14/22 09:49 AM ET
A 20 team league is way too small. Would destroy interest**
jesuisvtguy • 04/11/22 12:04 AM ET
Maybe it will and maybe it won't. If the schools truly commit to the idea,
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 04:06 AM ET
Duplicate post. Sorry. Delete. Thanks.**
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 09:57 PM ET
If it is 16-20 teams, we won't be in it anyway.
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 09:56 PM ET
As I stated before if the league is 40-50 teams, then VT could still
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 04:29 AM ET
I'm assuming they won't do it this way if they do it at all.
Maroon Baboon • 04/12/22 01:36 PM ET
Why use Wyoming as an example? I certainly never used Wyoming
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 10:09 PM ET
I didn't see your list, but it really doesn't matter.
Maroon Baboon • 04/12/22 11:14 PM ET
I don't believe the Big XII is done expanding. Likewise, I wouldn't
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 11:22 PM ET
You may be right. And demographics change over time. That's all the more
Maroon Baboon • 04/12/22 11:58 PM ET
Promotion/Relegation isn't in the American culture though. If it was, then ◄
VTHokie2000 • 04/13/22 02:11 PM ET
I realize it isn't in the American sports culture, but it should be.
Maroon Baboon • 04/13/22 03:34 PM ET
Depending on how things play out, it may not take JMU as long as you think
VTHokie2000 • 04/13/22 03:51 PM ET
Who says who is in or out?
33laszlo99 • 04/09/22 03:12 PM ET
Typically those paying for it have a say. If it's ESPN TV money they will.**
RTFC • 04/10/22 10:27 PM ET
Actually, I didn't have anyone in mind because it may end up being
VTHokie2000 • 04/09/22 05:58 PM ET
And to whose benefit would it be if conferences fractured and disposed of
33laszlo99 • 04/09/22 08:24 PM ET
The schools' benefit. Fewer teams = larger piece of pie for each school
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 04:46 AM ET
Dabo**
Mercury • 04/09/22 04:47 PM ET
Dabo is right that the P5 need their own setup.
Hokester • 04/09/22 10:01 AM ET
Might as well move into an NFL-EPL hybrid model for football
EDGEMAN • 04/09/22 11:26 AM ET
EFL yes. NFL no.
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 03:51 PM ET
I think stadium size would be a good qualifier
EDGEMAN • 04/09/22 06:27 PM ET
Should keep in mind that NFL average capacity does not even reach 70,000**
wwhokie1 • 04/13/22 05:37 PM ET
Average attendance would be better.
obguthr • 04/10/22 12:29 PM ET
In that case, Miami will definitely be "out"**
EDGEMAN • 04/10/22 01:39 PM ET
Pitt has a big stadium that they don't own, that is half full usually.
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 09:19 PM ET
Attendance will force schools to adjust their ticket prices
EDGEMAN • 04/10/22 08:35 AM ET
Where do they draw the line?
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 12:32 AM ET
Number of teams will ultimately be informed by media content requirement
Synaesthesia • 04/09/22 12:32 PM ET
It's all predicated on how many regular season games each school will play
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 03:15 PM ET
I don't hate the idea of relegation; 'boundary' programs are always hurt
Synaesthesia • 04/09/22 03:46 PM ET
When did UConn announce it was returning to DI-FCS in football?
VTHokie2000 • 04/09/22 06:14 PM ET
You're right, I thought it was finalized, but just under consideration**
Synaesthesia • 04/09/22 06:48 PM ET
No worries. Personally, I do think UConn and UMass should both switch
VTHokie2000 • 04/09/22 07:30 PM ET
Valid concerns. If you look at the EFL, they have yo-yo clubs.
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 04:03 PM ET
The problem with doing it every year is that all the participating teams
VTHokie2000 • 04/09/22 06:22 PM ET
It can and should be every year. And the home and away thing won't be
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 10:03 PM ET
You can't be sure it won't be a problem though. For example, let say this
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 04:11 AM ET
Actually, this schedule makes the home games more of a lock.
Maroon Baboon • 04/12/22 11:58 AM ET
All teams aren't equal though and that is the point you are overlooking or
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 10:25 PM ET
I'm not over looking it. But when you play a legit FULL schedule
Maroon Baboon • 04/12/22 11:03 PM ET
But you can't say that VT's home schedule is equal to its away schedule
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 11:16 PM ET
I will address your concerns one at a time
Maroon Baboon • 04/13/22 12:07 AM ET
I hate to disappoint you, but your A) answer failed to address my
VTHokie2000 • 04/13/22 09:48 AM ET
To clarify.
Maroon Baboon • 04/13/22 11:21 AM ET
To clarify - I wasn't asking you to try to persuade me on the position
VTHokie2000 • 04/13/22 11:53 AM ET
Time to think outside the box
33laszlo99 • 04/09/22 02:34 PM ET
ESPN is involved because - you are right
RTFC • 04/10/22 10:50 PM ET
Totally agree about ESPN. Their interests are counter to the longterm
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 03:24 PM ET
The thing is though, they don't do that in the many pro sports with a cap
Synaesthesia • 04/09/22 03:22 PM ET
We are in the wild west for now.
goldendomer • 04/09/22 12:46 AM ET
I see another division (P-4 or P-5)
Old Line Hokie • 04/09/22 08:36 AM ET
The problem is, conferences are no longer equal.
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 04:17 PM ET
When was the last time conferences were equal?**
Old Line Hokie • 04/09/22 08:10 PM ET
Never. But the disparity was much closer in the past. Between 1968 and 1981
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 11:41 PM ET
My guess now is 48, I really thought it would be 4 PC’s w/ 16, but it’s
Stech • 04/09/22 03:26 AM ET
Question for thought
Mercury • 04/09/22 07:42 AM ET
VT, the university, has for decades been more alike the Big 10
Synaesthesia • 04/09/22 02:33 PM ET
Agreed, but having that elusive AAU card would still be helpful**
obguthr • 04/10/22 11:08 AM ET
Thank you so much !!!!!! bingo
Mercury • 04/09/22 04:55 PM ET