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Maroon Baboon
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Maroon Baboon

I realize it isn't in the American sports culture, but it should be.

And if "big changes" are coming to college football, maybe college football should go bold and be the trend setter. WRT to JMU, they would probably start off in the 4th or 5th tier. If they would ever make it to the 1st tier, it would take quite some time. And if they become good enough to win games against the elites, then why shouldn't they be able to stay? If they can't win games, they will be relegated back down. So again, the winning and losing takes care of the decision making, as it should be.

You bring up a good point about academics. But all that will need to be communicated before the league starts. But once the league starts and the schools are meeting the standards, then let the chips fall where they may.

Moving away from the promotion-relegation debate, you bring up Pac-12 and BigXII expansion. Maybe they should expand and maybe they shouldn't. I don't know. But I do know that adding teams without adding conference games dilutes the schedule. That's a big complaint about the ACC. I can't imagine that Oregon State would want fewer dates with USC so they can fit Boise on their schedule. And also, there is the payout per school. The reason the BigXII stayed at 10 is that it would be less of a payout per school if they added teams. Maybe the equation has changed, and now expansion is more profitable. I don't know.
Posted: 04/13/2022 at 03:34 PM ET
(In response to this post by VTHokie2000)

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Dabo Swinney on CFB: "40 or 50 teams and a commissioner"
goldendomer • 04/09/22 12:01 AM ET
6 conferences of 7 teams each
obguthr • 04/10/22 11:03 AM ET
UNC and UVA will follow the money**
MrFantastic! • 04/12/22 05:56 AM ET
How much television revenue would it generate?**
EDGEMAN • 04/11/22 10:06 AM ET
Gee, maybe there will be a TRANSFORMATION COMMITTEE that works on this
daveinop • 04/10/22 08:36 AM ET
My first question: Would VT follow into this new alignment?**
VTNSC • 04/09/22 12:27 PM ET
If we are talking closer to 40 teams, then probably not unless VT
VTHokie2000 • 04/09/22 02:41 PM ET
For the sake of argument, what impact would be on VT if it were included
IB4TECH • 04/16/22 09:19 AM ET
Good question. It might depend on what "rules" the group agrees upon.
VTHokie2000 • 04/16/22 11:25 AM ET
Currently only about 15 or fewer schools average 80,000. VT typically ranks
wwhokie1 • 04/13/22 03:00 PM ET
The number was just a random number I threw out there.
VTHokie2000 • 04/13/22 03:41 PM ET
According to a 2020 article by College Football News the top 40 in
wwhokie1 • 04/13/22 05:25 PM ET
I don't disagree if attendance is the deciding factor.
VTHokie2000 • 04/13/22 05:30 PM ET
Its not atemdamce. Its money
Mercury • 04/11/22 08:18 AM ET
Attendance will be a factor though because this league will want programs
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 04:18 AM ET
Stadium capacity does not need to increase.**
marcbvtgm • 04/10/22 03:47 PM ET
If the new league decides to have a minimum stadium requirement in order
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 04:20 AM ET
Lane is in the Top 25 in stadium capacity right now.
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 03:35 PM ET
Yes, VT can add to Lane. However, there is no guarantee that the
VTHokie2000 • 04/09/22 06:11 PM ET
Ok lets do math
Mercury • 04/11/22 08:20 AM ET
And consider the impact of money spent. Money spent on expanding Lane will
wwhokie1 • 04/13/22 05:33 PM ET
Maybe decrease the price of admission or give unsold tickets to...
EDGEMAN • 04/14/22 09:49 AM ET
A 20 team league is way too small. Would destroy interest**
jesuisvtguy • 04/11/22 12:04 AM ET
Maybe it will and maybe it won't. If the schools truly commit to the idea,
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 04:06 AM ET
Duplicate post. Sorry. Delete. Thanks.**
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 09:57 PM ET
If it is 16-20 teams, we won't be in it anyway.
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 09:56 PM ET
As I stated before if the league is 40-50 teams, then VT could still
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 04:29 AM ET
I'm assuming they won't do it this way if they do it at all.
Maroon Baboon • 04/12/22 01:36 PM ET
Why use Wyoming as an example? I certainly never used Wyoming
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 10:09 PM ET
I didn't see your list, but it really doesn't matter.
Maroon Baboon • 04/12/22 11:14 PM ET
I don't believe the Big XII is done expanding. Likewise, I wouldn't
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 11:22 PM ET
You may be right. And demographics change over time. That's all the more
Maroon Baboon • 04/12/22 11:58 PM ET
Promotion/Relegation isn't in the American culture though. If it was, then
VTHokie2000 • 04/13/22 02:11 PM ET
I realize it isn't in the American sports culture, but it should be. ◄
Maroon Baboon • 04/13/22 03:34 PM ET
Depending on how things play out, it may not take JMU as long as you think
VTHokie2000 • 04/13/22 03:51 PM ET
Who says who is in or out?
33laszlo99 • 04/09/22 03:12 PM ET
Typically those paying for it have a say. If it's ESPN TV money they will.**
RTFC • 04/10/22 10:27 PM ET
Actually, I didn't have anyone in mind because it may end up being
VTHokie2000 • 04/09/22 05:58 PM ET
And to whose benefit would it be if conferences fractured and disposed of
33laszlo99 • 04/09/22 08:24 PM ET
The schools' benefit. Fewer teams = larger piece of pie for each school
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 04:46 AM ET
Dabo**
Mercury • 04/09/22 04:47 PM ET
Dabo is right that the P5 need their own setup.
Hokester • 04/09/22 10:01 AM ET
Might as well move into an NFL-EPL hybrid model for football
EDGEMAN • 04/09/22 11:26 AM ET
EFL yes. NFL no.
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 03:51 PM ET
I think stadium size would be a good qualifier
EDGEMAN • 04/09/22 06:27 PM ET
Should keep in mind that NFL average capacity does not even reach 70,000**
wwhokie1 • 04/13/22 05:37 PM ET
Average attendance would be better.
obguthr • 04/10/22 12:29 PM ET
In that case, Miami will definitely be "out"**
EDGEMAN • 04/10/22 01:39 PM ET
Pitt has a big stadium that they don't own, that is half full usually.
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 09:19 PM ET
Attendance will force schools to adjust their ticket prices
EDGEMAN • 04/10/22 08:35 AM ET
Where do they draw the line?
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 12:32 AM ET
Number of teams will ultimately be informed by media content requirement
Synaesthesia • 04/09/22 12:32 PM ET
It's all predicated on how many regular season games each school will play
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 03:15 PM ET
I don't hate the idea of relegation; 'boundary' programs are always hurt
Synaesthesia • 04/09/22 03:46 PM ET
When did UConn announce it was returning to DI-FCS in football?
VTHokie2000 • 04/09/22 06:14 PM ET
You're right, I thought it was finalized, but just under consideration**
Synaesthesia • 04/09/22 06:48 PM ET
No worries. Personally, I do think UConn and UMass should both switch
VTHokie2000 • 04/09/22 07:30 PM ET
Valid concerns. If you look at the EFL, they have yo-yo clubs.
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 04:03 PM ET
The problem with doing it every year is that all the participating teams
VTHokie2000 • 04/09/22 06:22 PM ET
It can and should be every year. And the home and away thing won't be
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 10:03 PM ET
You can't be sure it won't be a problem though. For example, let say this
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 04:11 AM ET
Actually, this schedule makes the home games more of a lock.
Maroon Baboon • 04/12/22 11:58 AM ET
All teams aren't equal though and that is the point you are overlooking or
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 10:25 PM ET
I'm not over looking it. But when you play a legit FULL schedule
Maroon Baboon • 04/12/22 11:03 PM ET
But you can't say that VT's home schedule is equal to its away schedule
VTHokie2000 • 04/12/22 11:16 PM ET
I will address your concerns one at a time
Maroon Baboon • 04/13/22 12:07 AM ET
I hate to disappoint you, but your A) answer failed to address my
VTHokie2000 • 04/13/22 09:48 AM ET
To clarify.
Maroon Baboon • 04/13/22 11:21 AM ET
To clarify - I wasn't asking you to try to persuade me on the position
VTHokie2000 • 04/13/22 11:53 AM ET
Time to think outside the box
33laszlo99 • 04/09/22 02:34 PM ET
ESPN is involved because - you are right
RTFC • 04/10/22 10:50 PM ET
Totally agree about ESPN. Their interests are counter to the longterm
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 03:24 PM ET
The thing is though, they don't do that in the many pro sports with a cap
Synaesthesia • 04/09/22 03:22 PM ET
We are in the wild west for now.
goldendomer • 04/09/22 12:46 AM ET
I see another division (P-4 or P-5)
Old Line Hokie • 04/09/22 08:36 AM ET
The problem is, conferences are no longer equal.
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 04:17 PM ET
When was the last time conferences were equal?**
Old Line Hokie • 04/09/22 08:10 PM ET
Never. But the disparity was much closer in the past. Between 1968 and 1981
Maroon Baboon • 04/09/22 11:41 PM ET
My guess now is 48, I really thought it would be 4 PC’s w/ 16, but it’s
Stech • 04/09/22 03:26 AM ET
Question for thought
Mercury • 04/09/22 07:42 AM ET
VT, the university, has for decades been more alike the Big 10
Synaesthesia • 04/09/22 02:33 PM ET
Agreed, but having that elusive AAU card would still be helpful**
obguthr • 04/10/22 11:08 AM ET
Thank you so much !!!!!! bingo
Mercury • 04/09/22 04:55 PM ET