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No, you are 100% wrong on pooling research grants and dividing it up like athletic media contract revenue, and so is anyone that suggests that happens in the Big Ten or anywhere else. It doesn't happen in any academic consortia because there are legal restrictions on every single extramural research grant that is obtained by an institution. The whole notion of this research funding pooling came from Big Ten fanboys reading a conference press release listing the combined figure of the total R&D $ of its schools. Research money has never been pooled and has never been shared like that, not ever, because that would violate the contractual terms of any granting agency, federal or private, and get a bunch of people thrown in jail for fraud and an institution banned from receiving future federal funds. Somehow the false idea still lingers around the internet like a lot of other incorrect ideas. Research grants are applied for by a faculty members, a principal investigator. There are often collaborating investigators at the same school or other schools need to perform specialized parts of the research (usually in the form of subawards when the faculty is at a different institutions). These collaborations are written into the proposals before they are submitted for review, require contractual agreements between institutions, and they are specifically to perform part of the research work. Athletic affiliations have absolutely zero to do with fostering these collaborations. Such collaborations are borne out of familiarity with colleagues in their fields of endeavor which occur during training or at academic society conferences and meetings or other types of academic interactions and not because two football teams play each other. The idea is ludicrous. Nor does conference affiliation actually lead to an increased ability for the faculty at a school to obtain research funding. For instance, since Penn State joined the Big Ten, their % share of overall federal research dollars has actually fallen. And while it is true that Ivory Tower administrators my prefer affiliations with institutions of similar stature, those affiliations don't do a damn thing to increase any school's competitiveness in a particular research space. It just flat out isn't how it works. Oregon State doesn't get any bounce because it plays Stanford, nor is Louisville climbing the any rankings because it plays Duke. The idea is stupid. ** Edited by CrazyPaco at 4/28/2023, 2:08:42 AM ** Edited by CrazyPaco at 4/28/2023, 2:11:59 AM
Posted: 04/28/2023 at 02:07 AM ET
(In response to this post by NovaHokie27)

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I am constantly amused by the FSU to the B1G rumors
Tailgate Guru 04/18/23 03:52 PM ET
Maybe the breakaway 8 will work as an independent group?
Truthahn 05/01/23 02:06 PM ET
Stranger things have happened...
33laszlo99 04/19/23 10:48 AM ET
I just question why the B1G needs to plant a flag in Florida
Tailgate Guru 04/20/23 11:28 AM ET
It is simply a question of money. Florida can deliver it.
33laszlo99 04/20/23 05:41 PM ET
How long can that discrepancy in rates last?
Tailgate Guru 04/21/23 01:32 PM ET
WRT rivalries. We have to look at them in context. And conference
Maroon Baboon 04/20/23 03:00 PM ET
I'm beginning to think that rivalries are a message board topic that means
33laszlo99 04/20/23 06:00 PM ET
The answer....
2hhoop3 04/20/23 06:13 PM ET
Indeed. "Does this addition make us more money?" is all that really matters
Pylons 04/21/23 03:10 PM ET
Pretty soon conferences are going to get good at removing their deadwood.
Truthahn 04/24/23 12:14 PM ET
Unfortunately, if this isn't nipped in the bud with expanded playoffs, you
Big12 guy 04/24/23 02:47 PM ET
If a conference only has a little deadwood, it helps the middle teams get..
EDGEMAN 04/25/23 09:22 AM ET
I've always felt that were ND to join the ACC ...
Truthahn 04/26/23 02:22 PM ET
Yes, but we are looking at a break away league - Bowls will no longer
Big12 guy 04/25/23 03:53 PM ET
How crass! There must be more...**
33laszlo99 04/20/23 06:40 PM ET
I owe it all ....
2hhoop3 04/20/23 06:56 PM ET
They need to plant a flag.....
2hhoop3 04/20/23 11:53 AM ET
With USC/UCLA to the B1G, their contiguous states requirement...
Old Line Hokie 04/19/23 01:32 PM ET
Technically when they added Nebraska, their AAU requirement was thrown...
EDGEMAN 04/19/23 02:14 PM ET
The funny thing is, when they added UMCP and Rutgers...
Old Line Hokie 04/19/23 07:36 PM ET
I'm sure they still weigh that in their decision, but it's no longer....
EDGEMAN 04/20/23 08:31 AM ET
UVA to the B1G
WarHog38 04/19/23 08:55 PM ET
Research grants should be about as important to athletic conference
Pylons 04/22/23 09:24 AM ET
Then You Must Use that Same Logic On the B1G Adding Just AAU Members In the
WarHog38 04/22/23 01:02 PM ET
I do use that same logic.
Pylons 04/22/23 01:10 PM ET
You Would Have Got Lots of Laughs
WarHog38 04/22/23 01:36 PM ET
Yes, I would have.
Pylons 04/22/23 02:36 PM ET
Sharing research grant.......
2hhoop3 04/22/23 01:48 PM ET
This is an Odd Discussion
WarHog38 04/22/23 02:17 PM ET
Yep, you're doing a bang-up job making it so.**
Pylons 04/22/23 03:04 PM ET
You Started It
WarHog38 04/22/23 07:00 PM ET
I did nothing of the sort.
Pylons 04/22/23 07:15 PM ET
You're right...
2hhoop3 04/22/23 02:48 PM ET
I Said My Understanding
WarHog38 04/22/23 07:27 PM ET
Well, I have over a decade of experience in academia, in both
Pylons 04/22/23 10:50 PM ET
I Didn' Say Anything About Research Money Sharing in the Post
NovaHokie27 04/23/23 03:38 AM ET
100% wrong
CrazyPaco 04/28/23 02:07 AM ET
I always thought the CIC was very misleading about what it really was
Pylons 04/28/23 11:46 AM ET
Did you "politely bow out" as one user and jump back in as another? lol
Pylons 04/23/23 09:37 AM ET
I cannot speak......
2hhoop3 04/22/23 10:00 PM ET
Where do you see ND and Miami ending up?**
Millpoint 04/20/23 05:06 PM ET
ND has Had a Landing Spot in the B1G Probably for 30 Years
WarHog38 04/20/23 05:34 PM ET
i think this is a very good post
Vippie1 04/19/23 12:43 PM ET
I'm on the fence about Dook vs NCSU
EDGEMAN 04/19/23 04:23 PM ET
I see Duke and Wake going to the Big East.
hokieball 04/20/23 01:38 PM ET
Very strong, as in they are both part of the
RTFC 04/25/23 01:00 PM ET
They won't challenge the GOR without 100% guarantee of a P2 invite
ren_hoek 04/19/23 12:00 PM ET
If I was the B1G, I'd be going after FSU and Clemson.
Maroon Baboon 04/19/23 04:16 PM ET
It's about money, and when the football part catches up
Big12 guy 04/19/23 07:40 PM ET
You're right.....
2hhoop3 04/19/23 07:57 PM ET
Touché **
Big12 guy 04/19/23 08:46 PM ET
This is the crux.......
2hhoop3 04/19/23 12:18 PM ET
Word on the street is Miami's "mega doner" is in serious financial trouble
EDGEMAN 04/19/23 11:53 AM ET
I hate that for him.**
reestuart 04/19/23 01:37 PM ET
FSU has always been in a weird place academically
I85Hokie 04/19/23 08:25 AM ET
They are Saying Tony Petitti Will Not Be on the Job Until May 15
WarHog38 04/18/23 10:11 PM ET
Tallahassee vs Disney part deux**
OrlandoHokie 04/18/23 07:37 PM ET
My former dentist and church organist went to FSU
Victor Tango 04/18/23 04:33 PM ET
The Tallahassee-Disney fight as nothing to do with FSU realignment.
Maroon Baboon 04/19/23 04:37 PM ET
I assume you know the Disney is about to be b..slapped by the State of Fl.
cricket77 04/18/23 07:37 PM ET
LOL, don't think they are the ones who are going to get B slapped **
VaTechHokiesACC 04/23/23 04:49 AM ET
the state is 100% insane for starting a war with them.
reestuart 04/20/23 02:15 PM ET
Disney is the insane one.
tarheelblue 04/22/23 09:02 PM ET
Biggest employer in the state is as important as anything else that
reestuart 04/24/23 07:00 AM ET
Good. Soon they will pay even more.
Truthahn 05/01/23 01:32 PM ET
Disney can't afford to leave. And Florida can't afford to have them leave.**
Maroon Baboon 04/19/23 05:11 PM ET
Its physically impossible for Disney to move.
Truthahn 04/20/23 04:28 PM ET
LOL Yea, sure. I just know Disney's lawyers are quivering
ancient alien 2018 04/19/23 05:03 PM ET
I highly doubt that will happen. Lol. **
Hokie_CLT 04/19/23 09:48 AM ET
Disney is Very Woke,You see what Happened to Bud Light When they Publicly
WarHog38 04/18/23 08:41 PM ET
Disney and Anheuser Busch will be just fine **
VaTechHokiesACC 04/23/23 04:50 AM ET
Stock market value and actual value
RVAHokie05 04/20/23 02:18 PM ET
.
RVAHokie05 04/21/23 08:23 AM ET
Tell That to the Stockholders **
WarHog38 04/20/23 08:17 PM ET
If shareholders are risk-averse then they shouldn’t be putting their money
RVAHokie05 04/21/23 09:38 AM ET
A Stock Price Falls Due to a Sell Off
WarHog38 04/21/23 11:54 AM ET