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100% wrong
No, you are 100% wrong on pooling research grants and dividing it up like athletic media contract revenue, and so is anyone that suggests that happens in the Big Ten or anywhere else. It doesn't happen in any academic consortia because there are legal restrictions on every single extramural research grant that is obtained by an institution.
The whole notion of this research funding pooling came from Big Ten fanboys reading a conference press release listing the combined figure of the total R&D $ of its schools. Research money has never been pooled and has never been shared like that, not ever, because that would violate the contractual terms of any granting agency, federal or private, and get a bunch of people thrown in jail for fraud and an institution banned from receiving future federal funds. Somehow the false idea still lingers around the internet like a lot of other incorrect ideas.
Research grants are applied for by a faculty members, a principal investigator. There are often collaborating investigators at the same school or other schools need to perform specialized parts of the research (usually in the form of subawards when the faculty is at a different institutions). These collaborations are written into the proposals before they are submitted for review, require contractual agreements between institutions, and they are specifically to perform part of the research work. Athletic affiliations have absolutely zero to do with fostering these collaborations. Such collaborations are borne out of familiarity with colleagues in their fields of endeavor which occur during training or at academic society conferences and meetings or other types of academic interactions and not because two football teams play each other. The idea is ludicrous.
Nor does conference affiliation actually lead to an increased ability for the faculty at a school to obtain research funding. For instance, since Penn State joined the Big Ten, their % share of overall federal research dollars has actually fallen.
And while it is true that Ivory Tower administrators my prefer affiliations with institutions of similar stature, those affiliations don't do a damn thing to increase any school's competitiveness in a particular research space. It just flat out isn't how it works. Oregon State doesn't get any bounce because it plays Stanford, nor is Louisville climbing the any rankings because it plays Duke. The idea is stupid.
** Edited by CrazyPaco at 4/28/2023, 2:08:42 AM
** Edited by CrazyPaco at 4/28/2023, 2:11:59 AM
Thread Replies (76)
I am constantly amused by the FSU to the B1G rumors
-- Tailgate Guru
Apr 18, 2023 at 03:52 PM ET
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04/18/23 03:52 PM ET
Maybe the breakaway 8 will work as an independent group?
-- Truthahn
May 01, 2023 at 02:06 PM ET
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05/01/23 02:06 PM ET
Stranger things have happened...
-- 33laszlo99
Apr 19, 2023 at 10:48 AM ET
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04/19/23 10:48 AM ET
I just question why the B1G needs to plant a flag in Florida
-- Tailgate Guru
Apr 20, 2023 at 11:28 AM ET
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04/20/23 11:28 AM ET
It is simply a question of money. Florida can deliver it.
-- 33laszlo99
Apr 20, 2023 at 05:41 PM ET
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04/20/23 05:41 PM ET
How long can that discrepancy in rates last?
-- Tailgate Guru
Apr 21, 2023 at 01:32 PM ET
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04/21/23 01:32 PM ET
WRT rivalries. We have to look at them in context. And conference
-- Maroon Baboon
Apr 20, 2023 at 03:00 PM ET
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04/20/23 03:00 PM ET
I'm beginning to think that rivalries are a message board topic that means
-- 33laszlo99
Apr 20, 2023 at 06:00 PM ET
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04/20/23 06:00 PM ET
Indeed. "Does this addition make us more money?" is all that really matters
-- Pylons
Apr 21, 2023 at 03:10 PM ET
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04/21/23 03:10 PM ET
Pretty soon conferences are going to get good at removing their deadwood.
-- Truthahn
Apr 24, 2023 at 12:14 PM ET
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04/24/23 12:14 PM ET
Unfortunately, if this isn't nipped in the bud with expanded playoffs, you
-- Big12 guy
Apr 24, 2023 at 02:47 PM ET
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04/24/23 02:47 PM ET
If a conference only has a little deadwood, it helps the middle teams get..
-- EDGEMAN
Apr 25, 2023 at 09:22 AM ET
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04/25/23 09:22 AM ET
I've always felt that were ND to join the ACC ...
-- Truthahn
Apr 26, 2023 at 02:22 PM ET
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04/26/23 02:22 PM ET
Yes, but we are looking at a break away league - Bowls will no longer
-- Big12 guy
Apr 25, 2023 at 03:53 PM ET
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04/25/23 03:53 PM ET
How crass! There must be more...**
-- 33laszlo99
Apr 20, 2023 at 06:40 PM ET
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04/20/23 06:40 PM ET
They need to plant a flag.....
-- 2hhoop3
Apr 20, 2023 at 11:53 AM ET
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04/20/23 11:53 AM ET
With USC/UCLA to the B1G, their contiguous states requirement...
-- Old Line Hokie
Apr 19, 2023 at 01:32 PM ET
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04/19/23 01:32 PM ET
Technically when they added Nebraska, their AAU requirement was thrown...
-- EDGEMAN
Apr 19, 2023 at 02:14 PM ET
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04/19/23 02:14 PM ET
The funny thing is, when they added UMCP and Rutgers...
-- Old Line Hokie
Apr 19, 2023 at 07:36 PM ET
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04/19/23 07:36 PM ET
I'm sure they still weigh that in their decision, but it's no longer....
-- EDGEMAN
Apr 20, 2023 at 08:31 AM ET
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04/20/23 08:31 AM ET
Research grants should be about as important to athletic conference
-- Pylons
Apr 22, 2023 at 09:24 AM ET
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04/22/23 09:24 AM ET
Then You Must Use that Same Logic On the B1G Adding Just AAU Members In the
-- WarHog38
Apr 22, 2023 at 01:02 PM ET
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04/22/23 01:02 PM ET
You Would Have Got Lots of Laughs
-- WarHog38
Apr 22, 2023 at 01:36 PM ET
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04/22/23 01:36 PM ET
Yep, you're doing a bang-up job making it so.**
-- Pylons
Apr 22, 2023 at 03:04 PM ET
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04/22/23 03:04 PM ET
Well, I have over a decade of experience in academia, in both
-- Pylons
Apr 22, 2023 at 10:50 PM ET
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04/22/23 10:50 PM ET
I Didn' Say Anything About Research Money Sharing in the Post
-- NovaHokie27
Apr 23, 2023 at 03:38 AM ET
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04/23/23 03:38 AM ET
I always thought the CIC was very misleading about what it really was
-- Pylons
Apr 28, 2023 at 11:46 AM ET
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04/28/23 11:46 AM ET
Did you "politely bow out" as one user and jump back in as another? lol
-- Pylons
Apr 23, 2023 at 09:37 AM ET
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04/23/23 09:37 AM ET
Where do you see ND and Miami ending up?**
-- Millpoint
Apr 20, 2023 at 05:06 PM ET
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04/20/23 05:06 PM ET
ND has Had a Landing Spot in the B1G Probably for 30 Years
-- WarHog38
Apr 20, 2023 at 05:34 PM ET
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04/20/23 05:34 PM ET
i think this is a very good post
-- Vippie1
Apr 19, 2023 at 12:43 PM ET
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04/19/23 12:43 PM ET
I'm on the fence about Dook vs NCSU
-- EDGEMAN
Apr 19, 2023 at 04:23 PM ET
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04/19/23 04:23 PM ET
I see Duke and Wake going to the Big East.
-- hokieball
Apr 20, 2023 at 01:38 PM ET
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04/20/23 01:38 PM ET
Very strong, as in they are both part of the
-- RTFC
Apr 25, 2023 at 01:00 PM ET
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04/25/23 01:00 PM ET
They won't challenge the GOR without 100% guarantee of a P2 invite
-- ren_hoek
Apr 19, 2023 at 12:00 PM ET
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04/19/23 12:00 PM ET
If I was the B1G, I'd be going after FSU and Clemson.
-- Maroon Baboon
Apr 19, 2023 at 04:16 PM ET
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04/19/23 04:16 PM ET
It's about money, and when the football part catches up
-- Big12 guy
Apr 19, 2023 at 07:40 PM ET
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04/19/23 07:40 PM ET
Word on the street is Miami's "mega doner" is in serious financial trouble
-- EDGEMAN
Apr 19, 2023 at 11:53 AM ET
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04/19/23 11:53 AM ET
FSU has always been in a weird place academically
-- I85Hokie
Apr 19, 2023 at 08:25 AM ET
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04/19/23 08:25 AM ET
They are Saying Tony Petitti Will Not Be on the Job Until May 15
-- WarHog38
Apr 18, 2023 at 10:11 PM ET
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04/18/23 10:11 PM ET
Tallahassee vs Disney part deux**
-- OrlandoHokie
Apr 18, 2023 at 07:37 PM ET
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04/18/23 07:37 PM ET
My former dentist and church organist went to FSU
-- Victor Tango
Apr 18, 2023 at 04:33 PM ET
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04/18/23 04:33 PM ET
The Tallahassee-Disney fight as nothing to do with FSU realignment.
-- Maroon Baboon
Apr 19, 2023 at 04:37 PM ET
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04/19/23 04:37 PM ET
I assume you know the Disney is about to be b..slapped by the State of Fl.
-- cricket77
Apr 18, 2023 at 07:37 PM ET
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04/18/23 07:37 PM ET
LOL, don't think they are the ones who are going to get B slapped **
-- VaTechHokiesACC
Apr 23, 2023 at 04:49 AM ET
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04/23/23 04:49 AM ET
the state is 100% insane for starting a war with them.
-- reestuart
Apr 20, 2023 at 02:15 PM ET
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04/20/23 02:15 PM ET
Disney is the insane one.
-- tarheelblue
Apr 22, 2023 at 09:02 PM ET
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04/22/23 09:02 PM ET
Biggest employer in the state is as important as anything else that
-- reestuart
Apr 24, 2023 at 07:00 AM ET
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04/24/23 07:00 AM ET
Good. Soon they will pay even more.
-- Truthahn
May 01, 2023 at 01:32 PM ET
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05/01/23 01:32 PM ET
Disney can't afford to leave. And Florida can't afford to have them leave.**
-- Maroon Baboon
Apr 19, 2023 at 05:11 PM ET
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04/19/23 05:11 PM ET
Its physically impossible for Disney to move.
-- Truthahn
Apr 20, 2023 at 04:28 PM ET
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04/20/23 04:28 PM ET
LOL Yea, sure. I just know Disney's lawyers are quivering
-- ancient alien 2018
Apr 19, 2023 at 05:03 PM ET
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04/19/23 05:03 PM ET
I highly doubt that will happen. Lol. **
-- Hokie_CLT
Apr 19, 2023 at 09:48 AM ET
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04/19/23 09:48 AM ET
Disney is Very Woke,You see what Happened to Bud Light When they Publicly
-- WarHog38
Apr 18, 2023 at 08:41 PM ET
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04/18/23 08:41 PM ET
Disney and Anheuser Busch will be just fine **
-- VaTechHokiesACC
Apr 23, 2023 at 04:50 AM ET
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04/23/23 04:50 AM ET
Stock market value and actual value
-- RVAHokie05
Apr 20, 2023 at 02:18 PM ET
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04/20/23 02:18 PM ET
Tell That to the Stockholders **
-- WarHog38
Apr 20, 2023 at 08:17 PM ET
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04/20/23 08:17 PM ET
If shareholders are risk-averse then they shouldn’t be putting their money
-- RVAHokie05
Apr 21, 2023 at 09:38 AM ET
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04/21/23 09:38 AM ET
A Stock Price Falls Due to a Sell Off
-- WarHog38
Apr 21, 2023 at 11:54 AM ET
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04/21/23 11:54 AM ET