A few things
1. Defending the life of your athletic department due to something that I actually agree was not necessarily truly an NCAA issue has little to do with academic integrity overall. Spending $20 million on it, I will agree is questionable. Until maybe you look at the other money schools spend (and bring in) via athletics. And there's a lot of "$20 millions" in a muti-billion dollar big university budget.
2. "EVERYBODY" wasn't doing it. Some non-athletes (and not all athletes) were and that's essentially why I don't see it as an NCAA issue. While it was clearly started to help athletes, it didn't actually benefit *only* athletes. "Your classes are too easy" is not an evaluation I want the NCAA making. Not their job.
3. Yes, it was "isolated" in the grand scheme. It wasn't "EVERYBODY" just because some non-athletes took those classes as well. The Wainstein report said 3,100 students participated in "paper classes" over the course of 18 years. Even if that is truly 3,100 individual people and not "enrollments," that's only 200 students/yr. How many people attended UNC over the course of those 18 years? How many people earned degrees without taking a single "paper class"? How many legitimate credits did those 3,100 students who benefitted from fraud earn in addition to fraudulent ones? People have reacted as if tens of thousands of people earned UNC degrees without ever going to a single class, when the reality is that there was a rogue element in one department that practically no one had ever heard of helping athletes (and others) stay eligible and progress toward graduation. Reprehensible behavior for sure. Heads directly (and some less directly) involved absolutely should have rolled. However, it's not something that should tarnish the academic reputation of an entire university and all those who ever earned a degree there or worked there the way some here seem to relish the narrative being.
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Welcome to the ACC Cal…
-- HOKIEGOBBLE
Jul 04, 2024 at 07:18 AM ET
HOKIEGOBBLE
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07/04/24 07:18 AM ET
Lotta towns crushed by our response to Covid
-- MrBayAreaHokie
Jul 07, 2024 at 10:39 AM ET
MrBayAreaHokie
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07/07/24 10:39 AM ET
Now do Miami, Atlanta, and Syracuse**
-- LonghornHokie
Jul 04, 2024 at 04:24 PM ET
LonghornHokie
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07/04/24 04:24 PM ET
ESPN Wants to Dodge Responsibility For Destroying The ACC
-- WarHog38
Jul 05, 2024 at 04:33 PM ET
WarHog38
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07/05/24 04:33 PM ET
lmao!! ESPN made $125-140 million in net profit from the ACC in 2023. So if
-- ancient alien 2018
Jul 10, 2024 at 01:08 AM ET
ancient alien 2018
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07/10/24 01:08 AM ET
How Much of That $125-$140 Million is Attributable to FSU & Clemson
-- WarHog38
Jul 10, 2024 at 04:06 AM ET
WarHog38
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07/10/24 04:06 AM ET
Answer to your question on how Clemson and FSU can challenge the
-- VTCALS72
Jul 09, 2024 at 05:47 PM ET
VTCALS72
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07/09/24 05:47 PM ET
Makes sense. And I hope the Big XII doesn’t think it’s in the clear.
-- hokieZ71
Jul 07, 2024 at 07:35 AM ET
hokieZ71
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07/07/24 07:35 AM ET
100% spot on!!!**
-- ancient alien 2018
Jul 10, 2024 at 01:09 AM ET
ancient alien 2018
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07/10/24 01:09 AM ET
Who knows how this plays out, but i am not convinced that any of
-- Big12 guy
Jul 07, 2024 at 09:19 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/07/24 09:19 AM ET
I don’t want to say conspired.
-- hokieZ71
Jul 07, 2024 at 12:15 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/07/24 12:15 PM ET
maybe. it might happen like you say. The NCAA settlement being
-- Big12 guy
Jul 07, 2024 at 01:29 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/07/24 01:29 PM ET
I think the networks want the NFL model in college football.
-- hokieZ71
Jul 07, 2024 at 04:26 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/07/24 04:26 PM ET
At that point, the GOR is not even an issue. If there is a
-- Big12 guy
Jul 07, 2024 at 05:07 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/07/24 05:07 PM ET
Exactly. GOR’s just show you the vulnerable leagues.
-- hokieZ71
Jul 07, 2024 at 05:43 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/07/24 05:43 PM ET
Terminology or Semantics Aside
-- WarHog38
Jul 07, 2024 at 03:38 PM ET
WarHog38
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07/07/24 03:38 PM ET
Yes, but who do the networks negotiate with? keep in mind that there
-- Big12 guy
Jul 07, 2024 at 04:26 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/07/24 04:26 PM ET
CBS Will Now Broadcast B1G Football Games
-- WarHog38
Jul 07, 2024 at 06:33 PM ET
WarHog38
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07/07/24 06:33 PM ET
Their response to losing their conference is understandable IMHO. TV deals
-- Stech
Jul 04, 2024 at 09:30 AM ET
Stech
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07/04/24 09:30 AM ET
Larry Scott Was Reported to Have Axed that Deal At the Last Moment Due To
-- WarHog38
Jul 05, 2024 at 05:51 PM ET
WarHog38
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07/05/24 05:51 PM ET
Happened like you said.........
-- 2hhoop3
Jul 05, 2024 at 06:16 PM ET
2hhoop3
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07/05/24 06:16 PM ET
This is the answer. Both ESPN and Texas thought the LHN
-- Big12 guy
Jul 05, 2024 at 07:47 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/05/24 07:47 PM ET
Ya know, I remember you and I discussing over the years
-- RJHokie
Jul 05, 2024 at 07:12 PM ET
RJHokie
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07/05/24 07:12 PM ET
We did have those conversations..........
-- 2hhoop3
Jul 05, 2024 at 07:27 PM ET
2hhoop3
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07/05/24 07:27 PM ET
Carol Folt is the president of the AAU, another slimy entity. **
-- HouClone
Jul 05, 2024 at 08:15 PM ET
HouClone
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07/05/24 08:15 PM ET
Slimy? Fairly useless, I think, but I'm not sure how it's "slimy"**
-- Pylons
Jul 08, 2024 at 11:53 AM ET
Pylons
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07/08/24 11:53 AM ET
One informal definition.......
-- 2hhoop3
Jul 08, 2024 at 12:11 PM ET
2hhoop3
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07/08/24 12:11 PM ET
I hardly see how that definition fits
-- Pylons
Jul 08, 2024 at 01:08 PM ET
Pylons
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07/08/24 01:08 PM ET
ok, actually you piqued my interest
-- Pylons
Jul 08, 2024 at 02:08 PM ET
Pylons
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07/08/24 02:08 PM ET
ok, tell me what to believe then
-- Pylons
Jul 08, 2024 at 03:42 PM ET
Pylons
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07/08/24 03:42 PM ET
Why assume what will or won't "satisfy" me?
-- Pylons
Jul 08, 2024 at 04:28 PM ET
Pylons
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07/08/24 04:28 PM ET
Your previous responses.......
-- 2hhoop3
Jul 08, 2024 at 04:39 PM ET
2hhoop3
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07/08/24 04:39 PM ET
I don't know any details about Folt and it is pointless to revisit.
-- Pylons
Jul 08, 2024 at 02:04 PM ET
Pylons
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07/08/24 02:04 PM ET
Corect, " ... AAU, another slimy entity."
-- Atlee Hokie
Jul 05, 2024 at 09:27 PM ET
Atlee Hokie
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07/05/24 09:27 PM ET
Wasn't that before Utah and Colorado? 14 teams with a big gap between.
-- Truthahn
Jul 04, 2024 at 02:01 PM ET
Truthahn
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07/04/24 02:01 PM ET
Interesting to speculate about
-- Vippie1
Jul 04, 2024 at 11:14 AM ET
Vippie1
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07/04/24 11:14 AM ET
Actually, it was Texas Tech and not Texas A&M
-- Truthahn
Jul 05, 2024 at 10:17 AM ET
Truthahn
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07/05/24 10:17 AM ET
Had the PAC 12 not been total imbeciles........
-- 2hhoop3
Jul 04, 2024 at 11:42 AM ET
2hhoop3
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07/04/24 11:42 AM ET
I've said this about a million times
-- HokiesACC2004
Jul 05, 2024 at 10:23 PM ET
HokiesACC2004
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07/05/24 10:23 PM ET
True, The Pac-12 screwed up royally...
-- Old Line Hokie
Jul 05, 2024 at 10:09 AM ET
Old Line Hokie
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07/05/24 10:09 AM ET
After that bad move, they should really have raided the eight team B12.
-- Truthahn
Jul 05, 2024 at 10:25 AM ET
Truthahn
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07/05/24 10:25 AM ET
Precisely, the XII was supposed to die
-- obguthr
Jul 04, 2024 at 02:23 PM ET
obguthr
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07/04/24 02:23 PM ET
The Xll did die. What we have today is a different conference. **
-- Big12 guy
Jul 05, 2024 at 07:49 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/05/24 07:49 PM ET
Could have been far far far far worse **
-- HokiesACC2004
Jul 05, 2024 at 10:25 PM ET
HokiesACC2004
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07/05/24 10:25 PM ET