We agree that there was never an official
Invitation or anything close to that to UVa / UNC. You are correct that the question doesn’t get officially asked unless you know the answer.
Delany’s vision was to get the B1G into the Mid-Atlantic / Southeast. At the time the B1G was still subscribing to the “contiguous states” BS.
My contact from UMD didn’t even know until 48 hours before me it was announced and at that point it was a done deal. Many folks there are still pissed about the way the whole thing went down.
Where I think we disagree is overtures to UVa / UNC were made - I have heard from others that would know (at UVa) that they were. Delany was surprised at how quickly UNC / UVa said thanks but no thanks.
At the time folks at both schools thought the projections that the B1G were making with regard to future revenue from B1G network and future TV deals were pie in the sky BS and that the ACC would be able to stay within close distance. Turns out that was wrong but I’m not sure anyone ever conceived that the PAC schools (and associated revenue bumps associated with taking two Crown Jewels) were even a consideration.
Without the UT / OU to SEC and USC / UCLA to B1G dynamic the revenues at all of these leagues would be much more even. The ACC missed the boat when they had a chance to be proactive poaching other leagues crowns.
I am convinced (this is my conjecture with no real knowledge) that the ACC could have had PSU not that long ago (during / just after Sandusky mess) if we’d been aggressive. If that had happened everything would be playing out much differently today. Not taking PSU in the early 1990s was the leagues biggest mistake.
Thread Replies (40)
When did expansion stop being about football? I missed that if it happened.
-- Stech
Dec 13, 2023 at 01:46 PM ET
Stech
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12/13/23 01:46 PM ET
When the expanders get/got all the football teams they think they need**
-- VTCALS72
Dec 13, 2023 at 04:52 PM ET
VTCALS72
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12/13/23 04:52 PM ET
Show me the evidence of that please.**
-- Stech
Dec 13, 2023 at 05:00 PM ET
Stech
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12/13/23 05:00 PM ET
Oh come on, there is no "evidence" on this either way
-- VTCALS72
Dec 13, 2023 at 05:14 PM ET
VTCALS72
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12/13/23 05:14 PM ET
No evidence is the come on, where are you getting the basketball schools
-- Stech
Dec 13, 2023 at 05:38 PM ET
Stech
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12/13/23 05:38 PM ET
Ok, you asked why I am saying that. So, you asked for my opinion.
-- VTCALS72
Dec 13, 2023 at 06:45 PM ET
VTCALS72
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12/13/23 06:45 PM ET
It’s your opinion, I respect you for saying that. Thanks!**
-- Stech
Dec 13, 2023 at 07:28 PM ET
Stech
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12/13/23 07:28 PM ET
That is what you asked for :-)
-- VTCALS72
Dec 13, 2023 at 08:04 PM ET
VTCALS72
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12/13/23 08:04 PM ET
I don’t think th ACC GOR can’t be broken any time soon without the majority
-- Stech
Dec 13, 2023 at 11:14 PM ET
Stech
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12/13/23 11:14 PM ET
I agree with this **
-- HokiesACC2004
Dec 14, 2023 at 08:58 AM ET
HokiesACC2004
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12/14/23 08:58 AM ET
Evidently, VT isn't that big of prize for whatever reason. Partly due
-- reestuart
Dec 13, 2023 at 02:49 PM ET
reestuart
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12/13/23 02:49 PM ET
100% it is UNC, FSU and ND...
-- jesuisvtguy
Dec 13, 2023 at 07:20 PM ET
jesuisvtguy
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12/13/23 07:20 PM ET
Right now the money is in football ratings!! USC IMHO wanted UCLA , so B1G
-- Stech
Dec 14, 2023 at 09:11 AM ET
Stech
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12/14/23 09:11 AM ET
This reminds me of fivethirtyeight.com analysis of B1G expansion candidates
-- tarheelblue
Dec 13, 2023 at 07:32 PM ET
tarheelblue
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12/13/23 07:32 PM ET
This is totally wrong
-- Brother Griswold
Dec 13, 2023 at 05:25 PM ET
Brother Griswold
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12/13/23 05:25 PM ET
I don't remember that at all. They wanted DC and NYC. They certainly
-- reestuart
Dec 13, 2023 at 05:55 PM ET
reestuart
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12/13/23 05:55 PM ET
They wanted UMD / UNC / UVa / GT
-- Brother Griswold
Dec 13, 2023 at 08:13 PM ET
Brother Griswold
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12/13/23 08:13 PM ET
Your MD buddy is full of it.........
-- 2hhoop3
Dec 13, 2023 at 11:28 PM ET
2hhoop3
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12/13/23 11:28 PM ET
Hah - I said that they exploited UMDs financial status in my post
-- Brother Griswold
Dec 14, 2023 at 06:58 AM ET
Brother Griswold
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12/14/23 06:58 AM ET
So exactly how did it go down?
-- Brother Griswold
Dec 14, 2023 at 08:30 AM ET
Brother Griswold
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12/14/23 08:30 AM ET
We agree that there was never an official
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-- Brother Griswold
Dec 14, 2023 at 09:31 AM ET
Brother Griswold
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12/14/23 09:31 AM ET
Your first paragraph nailed it
-- Brother Griswold
Dec 14, 2023 at 10:44 AM ET
Brother Griswold
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12/14/23 10:44 AM ET
Your statement that VT evidently isn’t a prize?**
-- Stech
Dec 13, 2023 at 06:03 PM ET
Stech
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12/13/23 06:03 PM ET
well, it's not. It's not like VT is chopped liver, but neither the SEC
-- reestuart
Dec 13, 2023 at 06:11 PM ET
reestuart
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12/13/23 06:11 PM ET
Easy, this is a VT board. Other boards however, are talking about
-- Big12 guy
Dec 13, 2023 at 06:30 PM ET
Big12 guy
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12/13/23 06:30 PM ET
The B12 would be the last option.
-- EDGEMAN
Dec 14, 2023 at 06:57 AM ET
EDGEMAN
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12/14/23 06:57 AM ET
I agree with this, but we don't make the call, the networks do. **
-- Big12 guy
Dec 14, 2023 at 09:11 AM ET
Big12 guy
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12/14/23 09:11 AM ET
NCAA 💵 is spread amongst all divisions, it pales in comparison to 🏈 💵,
-- Stech
Dec 13, 2023 at 02:32 PM ET
Stech
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12/13/23 02:32 PM ET
You asked when expansion stopped being about football
-- Pylons
Dec 13, 2023 at 02:41 PM ET
Pylons
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12/13/23 02:41 PM ET
It was a sarcastic question, sorry you missed that.**
-- Stech
Dec 13, 2023 at 04:58 PM ET
Stech
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12/13/23 04:58 PM ET
Lol. Yet you responded to others seriously.
-- Pylons
Dec 13, 2023 at 10:55 PM ET
Pylons
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12/13/23 10:55 PM ET
Nope it was sarcasm, they got it and you didn’t, but you do know how to
-- Stech
Dec 13, 2023 at 11:33 PM ET
Stech
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12/13/23 11:33 PM ET