I think some are missing something here. If the ACC loses FSU/CU,
it won't matter which conference they go too. The ACC stands to lose money in the guaranteed playoff look in. They could easily lose $5M per school, per year. (that number is just a guess).
So, from where I'm sitting, the ACC schools are already throwing money at FSU/CU, but when they leave, they will get nothing for it.
Relying on the GOR and the courts is not a good business model. Maybe the ACC wins, maybe they don't, but what is it that you actually win? A shotgun marriage? A better media deal? More playoff spots? The ability to play games against the non mag 7? A ND game every blue moon?
IMHO the P5 will never come back. Also, IMHO, as long as you have the non mag 7, it will be difficult to get the ratings you need in both the media, and in the polls.
When the B12 added the 3 G5's and BYU, Things were cool from my fans perspective. Lets be clear, Arizona and Colorado were the only schools happy to join the B12 - Utah and ASU I would put in the category of any school in the Mag 7. They do not want to be in the B12, they want what the P2 has.
Frankly, I'd be way OK to send the ACC Utah and ASU. From my misplaced fans perspective, they just do not rise to the level of a B12 school.
I used to be excited of possibly getting some schools from the ACC, but unless they bring the value closer to the P2, I'd rather they stay where they are. Do you guys REALLY want FSU now? Do you really think you will get P2 money if you win the lawsuit?
Where is the money, and where is it coming from? Where does either of our conferences get the value to possibly double the conference payout?
The B12 will be good if the ACC stays together. We will have solid and fun football, we will be in the playoffs, and we will have a premier basketball league. So, we're good. Are you?
Thread Replies (55)
Here's my issue with any rumors of ANY ACC schools going to the BigXII
-- Maroon Baboon
Jul 18, 2024 at 03:10 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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07/18/24 03:10 PM ET
it's selling equity, not really borrowing, normally
-- MrBayAreaHokie
Jul 19, 2024 at 01:52 PM ET
MrBayAreaHokie
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07/19/24 01:52 PM ET
I'd imagine it would have to be structured
-- Vippie1
Jul 20, 2024 at 08:37 AM ET
Vippie1
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07/20/24 08:37 AM ET
What if a large portion of PE in the B12 was used to start a B12
-- Big12 guy
Jul 20, 2024 at 09:45 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/20/24 09:45 AM ET
I think establishing a Big 12 network is going to be a must.
-- VTCALS72
Jul 20, 2024 at 11:55 AM ET
VTCALS72
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07/20/24 11:55 AM ET
i do not disagree with you, but it does create a possible exit strategy
-- Big12 guy
Jul 20, 2024 at 01:37 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/20/24 01:37 PM ET
I’m not sure exactly what’s going on but chatter has been escalating
-- PFHokie
Jul 19, 2024 at 09:35 AM ET
PFHokie
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07/19/24 09:35 AM ET
Standing pat won’t be an option if ESPN doesn’t extend the media rights
-- WBGV
Jul 19, 2024 at 11:23 AM ET
WBGV
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07/19/24 11:23 AM ET
we have no way of knowing what is going on.**
-- VTCALS72
Jul 19, 2024 at 12:31 PM ET
VTCALS72
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07/19/24 12:31 PM ET
before any ACC team would go to the Big12
-- Vippie1
Jul 19, 2024 at 09:19 AM ET
Vippie1
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07/19/24 09:19 AM ET
I found a site that had a 4 year attendance + ranking of teams from 19-22
-- VTCALS72
Jul 19, 2024 at 12:51 PM ET
VTCALS72
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07/19/24 12:51 PM ET
I would trade UVA-Wise for BC**
-- VPI_1998
Jul 19, 2024 at 07:52 PM ET
VPI_1998
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07/19/24 07:52 PM ET
My issue is that it’s a RUMOR, sports media talking heads, shut up until…
-- ombandit
Jul 19, 2024 at 06:39 AM ET
ombandit
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07/19/24 06:39 AM ET
Absolutely! Slow time of the year for real sports news, so...**
-- MDHokie79
Jul 19, 2024 at 01:30 PM ET
MDHokie79
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07/19/24 01:30 PM ET
How does joining 16 other teams with
-- HokieKick`nBack
Jul 19, 2024 at 06:13 AM ET
HokieKick`nBack
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07/19/24 06:13 AM ET
ACC does not need to throw more money at Clem & F$U.
-- Atlee Hokie
Jul 20, 2024 at 01:14 PM ET
Atlee Hokie
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07/20/24 01:14 PM ET
"throw more money to fsu and clem. ?? Whose money?
-- 33laszlo99
Jul 19, 2024 at 08:31 AM ET
33laszlo99
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07/19/24 08:31 AM ET
I think some are missing something here. If the ACC loses FSU/CU,
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-- Big12 guy
Jul 19, 2024 at 09:02 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/19/24 09:02 AM ET
Oh come on, look in the mirror
-- VTCALS72
Jul 19, 2024 at 01:03 PM ET
VTCALS72
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07/19/24 01:03 PM ET
I disagree 100%. With respect, Miami, Louisville, UNC?, VT, and
-- Big12 guy
Jul 19, 2024 at 01:32 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/19/24 01:32 PM ET
Do you acknowledge the fact the Big 12, without it's bluebloods has not
-- VTCALS72
Jul 19, 2024 at 09:13 PM ET
VTCALS72
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07/19/24 09:13 PM ET
I'm playing defense here. **
-- Big12 guy
Jul 19, 2024 at 11:23 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/19/24 11:23 PM ET
I don't see it that way at all
-- VTCALS72
Jul 20, 2024 at 08:56 AM ET
VTCALS72
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07/20/24 08:56 AM ET
The thing is, I don't think that the B12 is better than the ACC minus
-- Big12 guy
Jul 20, 2024 at 09:37 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/20/24 09:37 AM ET
You are still missing the point I am trying to make
-- VTCALS72
Jul 20, 2024 at 11:51 AM ET
VTCALS72
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07/20/24 11:51 AM ET
What has FSU done other than last year?
-- cvillehokie92
Jul 19, 2024 at 02:09 PM ET
cvillehokie92
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07/19/24 02:09 PM ET
They won it all in 2014. I don't remember reading how far back
-- Big12 guy
Jul 19, 2024 at 02:39 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/19/24 02:39 PM ET
Premier basketball league? ACC, Big East, and SEC says 'hold my beer'.**
-- manassashoo
Jul 19, 2024 at 09:17 AM ET
manassashoo
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07/19/24 09:17 AM ET
Well - I would say by any metric, the BigXII has been a better league than
-- VPI_1998
Jul 19, 2024 at 05:34 PM ET
VPI_1998
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07/19/24 05:34 PM ET
He said “a” premier basketball conference. Not “the” premier conference
-- hokieZ71
Jul 19, 2024 at 09:39 AM ET
hokieZ71
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07/19/24 09:39 AM ET
That my dear sir, is fan banter, and I love it. Where you lose me is
-- Big12 guy
Jul 19, 2024 at 09:26 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/19/24 09:26 AM ET
Not throw more money at F$U and CU, but throw more money at the schools...
-- EDGEMAN
Jul 19, 2024 at 06:30 AM ET
EDGEMAN
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07/19/24 06:30 AM ET
How many yahoos does he have posting this crap?
-- EDGEMAN
Jul 19, 2024 at 04:48 AM ET
EDGEMAN
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07/19/24 04:48 AM ET
Brent Yormark fear mongers and tries to create realities out of it. He uses
-- Stech
Jul 18, 2024 at 06:25 PM ET
Stech
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07/18/24 06:25 PM ET
Everybody Headed to the Big-12 is Click-Bait
-- WarHog38
Jul 18, 2024 at 03:57 PM ET
WarHog38
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07/18/24 03:57 PM ET
I have a hard time understanding why ESPN would not continue the contract
-- VTCALS72
Jul 19, 2024 at 09:40 AM ET
VTCALS72
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07/19/24 09:40 AM ET
I Think Numbers Have Been Crunched By Accountants
-- WarHog38
Jul 19, 2024 at 01:34 PM ET
WarHog38
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07/19/24 01:34 PM ET
Maybe ESPN (or Disney or now the NFL) is looking at it simply as which
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 19, 2024 at 12:40 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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07/19/24 12:40 PM ET
I think ESPN has a deadline of Feb. 2025 to opt in to the 2027-36 years.
-- hokieZ71
Jul 18, 2024 at 05:22 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/18/24 05:22 PM ET
Jim Phillips Created That February, 2025, Deadline For ESPN to Re-Sign
-- WarHog38
Jul 18, 2024 at 06:18 PM ET
WarHog38
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07/18/24 06:18 PM ET
Texas and OU announced June 2021 they were joining the SEC in July 2024
-- hokieZ71
Jul 18, 2024 at 06:23 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/18/24 06:23 PM ET
yes, 2025 originally. ESPN kicked in $100M (savings from LHN) to move it
-- daveinop
Jul 19, 2024 at 07:48 AM ET
daveinop
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07/19/24 07:48 AM ET
It Was Brett Yormark Becoming Big-12 Commissioner on August 1, 2022
-- WarHog38
Jul 18, 2024 at 10:39 PM ET
WarHog38
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07/18/24 10:39 PM ET
True. And ESPN rewarded the Big XII with a contract for allowing it.**
-- hokieZ71
Jul 18, 2024 at 09:09 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/18/24 09:09 PM ET
I believe they also had to pay $100M or so for 1 year early exit.**
-- hokieball
Jul 18, 2024 at 10:31 PM ET
hokieball
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07/18/24 10:31 PM ET
Texas & Oklahoma Were Both Looking At a Clear Cut Date to End Media Deals
-- WarHog38
Jul 18, 2024 at 06:45 PM ET
WarHog38
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07/18/24 06:45 PM ET
exactly, the Big 12 community plays that alot
-- 1947Sunbowl
Jul 18, 2024 at 05:11 PM ET
1947Sunbowl
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07/18/24 05:11 PM ET
So there isn’t much equity to begin with?
-- Hokie1992
Jul 19, 2024 at 08:23 AM ET
Hokie1992
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07/19/24 08:23 AM ET
Eliminates future big boom for the teams in the league. Big risk.
-- mjfhokie
Jul 18, 2024 at 05:25 PM ET
mjfhokie
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07/18/24 05:25 PM ET
A good post. The P2 however, put many in a position to either
-- Big12 guy
Jul 18, 2024 at 03:50 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/18/24 03:50 PM ET