Point by point.
1. FSU and Clemson will both announce they are leaving, if not sooner, prior to commencement of the 2029-2030 season. They're not waiting until 2031. If you think they're going to wait until the 2030s to announce this, you're not thinking about it very hard.
2. I don't think it will come as a shocker to anyone that's been paying attention when FSU and Clemson announce they're leaving first. That will start a domino effect of other football brands scrambling to get out.
3. The ACC will begin to lose members as soon as FSU and Clemson announce they're leaving. Again, domino effect. This has happened every single time a conference loses its flagship brands. The knives come out and everyone moves for the exit doors as quickly as they can.
4. Yes, the ACC will have to back fill, but it won't be with Big 12 programs. Once all the major football brands start exfiltrating from the conference, there will be no reason for any Big 12 program to leave a relatively stable football conference to hop onto a sinking ship conference in full on crisis mode.
5. See 4. Also, if 4 or more of the major football brands leave, which is more or less a certainty, again, why are football brands going to leave the Big 12 to join a sinking ACC? This is about football, and only football.
6. Any other ACC football brands that can get out are going to start scrambling to get out as soon as FSU and Clemson leave. They have seen what happened to the old Big East and the PAC-12. Whether it happens slowly like the Big East, or quickly like the PAC-12, staying in a clearly imploding ACC will be akin to suicide for football brand.
7. There's not going to be a "battle royale." The ACC will be operating in crisis mode and losing all its most valuable football properties. It will be like a horse trying to run on 3 broken legs. The Big 12 is going to look like a stable rock to the ACC's hill of wet sand. Schools will be trying to get out of the dumpster fire, not jump in it.
8. I'm still not sure how you think the ACC is going to get a better media rights contract than the Big 12 when all of its football brands will be either gone or clearly running for the exits. Certainly, nobody with any football value is going to sign another GOR.
9. See 8. You've never explained why you think anyone with the means to orchestrate conference realignment moves would extract football value from the Big 12 to place it in the ACC to play home games vs. Wake Forest and Duke. That has never made any sense, and still doesn't now. I guess you think someone is going to swoop in and pay the remaining ACC schools 60 or 70 mil just because?
10. This loser will be the ACC. Also, as an aside, I'm not sure what you're smoking if you think Villanova and Georgetown, who both have FCS football programs and are basketball first schools that play in a power basketball conference that is usually more competitive and gets more teams in the NCAAT than the ACC, would leave the Big East to play in the ACC, or how it would help the ACC in any way to add two FCS football programs. Villanova is usually competitive at the FCS level, but that's FCS, and Georgetown barely even plays football in front of empty bleachers on a LAX field in DC. Frankly, if things get zero hour bad for the ACC, it wouldn't shock me to see some ACC schools, especially the former Big East members like Syracuse, Boston College, or Pitt, go independent in football and join the Big East. They could do a scheduling agreement together for football, sell their own football rights, and juice everything else by playing in the Big East. The alternative would be playing G5 schools and whatever worthless football brands get stuck in the new look G5 ACC.
Thread Replies (49)
Interesting and somewhat expected per rumblings. Will be looking
-- VintonHokies
Mar 03, 2025 at 11:10 AM ET
VintonHokies
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03/03/25 11:10 AM ET
<$100M to leave in 2030 and $200M now
-- Millpoint
Mar 03, 2025 at 03:49 PM ET
Millpoint
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03/03/25 03:49 PM ET
I suspect that departing schools might also have to pay ESPN separately. **
-- RandomAsianGuy
Mar 03, 2025 at 03:55 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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03/03/25 03:55 PM ET
ESPN actually paid Texas and OU's exit fees. **
-- Big12 guy
Mar 03, 2025 at 03:59 PM ET
Big12 guy
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03/03/25 03:59 PM ET
Point by point.
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-- Baltimore_Hokie
Mar 03, 2025 at 05:12 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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03/03/25 05:12 PM ET
UNC WILL DICTATE ALL OF THIS
-- MrFantastic!
Mar 10, 2025 at 06:34 AM ET
MrFantastic!
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03/10/25 06:34 AM ET
I hope you're still prowling around here when all this goes down, so I can-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Mar 04, 2025 at 09:43 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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03/04/25 09:43 AM ET
Don't worry. I will stick around. You will have to bear with me for long. **
-- RandomAsianGuy
Mar 04, 2025 at 02:00 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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03/04/25 02:00 PM ET
I'm not sure the P2 are looking to add up to 7 ACC schools.
-- EDGEMAN
Mar 03, 2025 at 05:48 PM ET
EDGEMAN
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03/03/25 05:48 PM ET
I disagree. FSU and Clemson clearly have some kind of plan, or-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Mar 04, 2025 at 09:40 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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03/04/25 09:40 AM ET
Negotiating with terrorists never backfires.**
-- HokieNoVA
Mar 03, 2025 at 01:23 PM ET
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03/03/25 01:23 PM ET
HUGE “total cost to exit league after 2029-30 expected to drop below 100M!”
-- Stech
Mar 03, 2025 at 01:19 PM ET
Stech
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03/03/25 01:19 PM ET
Or the ACC does not add anyone else and shrinks in size.
-- VTCALS72
Mar 03, 2025 at 07:54 PM ET
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03/03/25 07:54 PM ET
Have always thought th penalty went to the Conference, clearly the networks
-- Stech
Mar 03, 2025 at 04:19 PM ET
Stech
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03/03/25 04:19 PM ET
Texas and OU paid to Fox through the B12.
-- RandomAsianGuy
Mar 03, 2025 at 04:34 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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03/03/25 04:34 PM ET
ESP actually paid Texas, and OU's exit fees. **
-- Big12 guy
Mar 03, 2025 at 03:56 PM ET
Big12 guy
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03/03/25 03:56 PM ET
I would be ok to have USF and UCF instead of FSU and Miami in the ACC.
-- OrlandoHokie
Mar 03, 2025 at 03:33 PM ET
OrlandoHokie
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03/03/25 03:33 PM ET
Do you think this was a stipulation by ESPN to extend the contract? It
-- Big12 guy
Mar 03, 2025 at 01:22 PM ET
Big12 guy
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03/03/25 01:22 PM ET
First, it was a legit question to Steth, as I'm thinking
-- Big12 guy
Mar 03, 2025 at 04:21 PM ET
Big12 guy
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03/03/25 04:21 PM ET
Why would ESPN do that? that’s a money losing move. **
-- RandomAsianGuy
Mar 03, 2025 at 03:54 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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03/03/25 03:54 PM ET
There has to be a reason the ACC is settling. It's my guess that
-- Big12 guy
Mar 03, 2025 at 03:57 PM ET
Big12 guy
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03/03/25 03:57 PM ET
If so, what is the point of having a GOR?
-- Truthahn
Mar 03, 2025 at 04:46 PM ET
Truthahn
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03/03/25 04:46 PM ET
Yes there was a reason but I doubt it’s ESPN. **
-- RandomAsianGuy
Mar 03, 2025 at 04:37 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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03/03/25 04:37 PM ET
There's no reasonable explanation re: the settlement that fits the-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Mar 04, 2025 at 09:56 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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03/04/25 09:56 AM ET
I guess you can chalk it up to the Mid Atlantic
-- Big12 guy
Mar 04, 2025 at 10:10 AM ET
Big12 guy
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03/04/25 10:10 AM ET
With the exception of Penn State-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Mar 04, 2025 at 10:28 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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03/04/25 10:28 AM ET
I think ESPN all along has wanted the ACC for 🏀 ratings. They used to say
-- Stech
Mar 03, 2025 at 01:53 PM ET
Stech
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03/03/25 01:53 PM ET
With the media money difference, NIL, and players
-- Big12 guy
Mar 03, 2025 at 02:01 PM ET
Big12 guy
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03/03/25 02:01 PM ET
SEC is just in the South that works for 🏈, but not as much for 🏀, both
-- Stech
Mar 03, 2025 at 02:18 PM ET
Stech
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03/03/25 02:18 PM ET
All parties "won," that's a negotiation.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Mar 03, 2025 at 01:27 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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03/03/25 01:27 PM ET
This will be the beginning of the end for the ACC as a "power" conference.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Mar 03, 2025 at 11:58 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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03/03/25 11:58 AM ET
It’s not now in 🏈, ESPN renewed w/ ACC until 2036, expect 🏀 acquisitions
-- Stech
Mar 03, 2025 at 02:27 PM ET
Stech
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03/03/25 02:27 PM ET
If the penalty for leaving early is reasonable, you could see
-- Big12 guy
Mar 03, 2025 at 12:22 PM ET
Big12 guy
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03/03/25 12:22 PM ET
The article didn't mention it, but I assume that there will be no new GOR.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Mar 03, 2025 at 01:02 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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03/03/25 01:02 PM ET
Currently, I don't share your opinion that the ACC falls to
-- Big12 guy
Mar 03, 2025 at 01:10 PM ET
Big12 guy
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03/03/25 01:10 PM ET
College football is better off if FSU, Clemson and Miami go to the B12
-- hokieZ71
Mar 03, 2025 at 07:29 PM ET
hokieZ71
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03/03/25 07:29 PM ET
What do you think is going to happen in 2035-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Mar 03, 2025 at 01:22 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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03/03/25 01:22 PM ET
Nope, didn't sleep though it, but i think that you make too
-- Big12 guy
Mar 03, 2025 at 01:37 PM ET
Big12 guy
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03/03/25 01:37 PM ET
If they weren't confident in their ability to leave-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Mar 03, 2025 at 01:48 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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03/03/25 01:48 PM ET
haha, I'm not shy of the ire from the old timers. I am curious as
-- Big12 guy
Mar 03, 2025 at 01:58 PM ET
Big12 guy
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03/03/25 01:58 PM ET
The schools are going to leave then because 2029-2030 is the window.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Mar 03, 2025 at 02:02 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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03/03/25 02:02 PM ET
That is only if the ACC settles with FSU, otherwise, the full GOR
-- Big12 guy
Mar 03, 2025 at 02:06 PM ET
Big12 guy
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03/03/25 02:06 PM ET
Very interesting. Buckle up for 2030-31, its going to get wild
-- HokieAl
Mar 03, 2025 at 11:26 AM ET
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03/03/25 11:26 AM ET