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Point by point.

1. FSU and Clemson will both announce they are leaving, if not sooner, prior to commencement of the 2029-2030 season. They're not waiting until 2031. If you think they're going to wait until the 2030s to announce this, you're not thinking about it very hard. 2. I don't think it will come as a shocker to anyone that's been paying attention when FSU and Clemson announce they're leaving first. That will start a domino effect of other football brands scrambling to get out. 3. The ACC will begin to lose members as soon as FSU and Clemson announce they're leaving. Again, domino effect. This has happened every single time a conference loses its flagship brands. The knives come out and everyone moves for the exit doors as quickly as they can. 4. Yes, the ACC will have to back fill, but it won't be with Big 12 programs. Once all the major football brands start exfiltrating from the conference, there will be no reason for any Big 12 program to leave a relatively stable football conference to hop onto a sinking ship conference in full on crisis mode. 5. See 4. Also, if 4 or more of the major football brands leave, which is more or less a certainty, again, why are football brands going to leave the Big 12 to join a sinking ACC? This is about football, and only football. 6. Any other ACC football brands that can get out are going to start scrambling to get out as soon as FSU and Clemson leave. They have seen what happened to the old Big East and the PAC-12. Whether it happens slowly like the Big East, or quickly like the PAC-12, staying in a clearly imploding ACC will be akin to suicide for football brand. 7. There's not going to be a "battle royale." The ACC will be operating in crisis mode and losing all its most valuable football properties. It will be like a horse trying to run on 3 broken legs. The Big 12 is going to look like a stable rock to the ACC's hill of wet sand. Schools will be trying to get out of the dumpster fire, not jump in it. 8. I'm still not sure how you think the ACC is going to get a better media rights contract than the Big 12 when all of its football brands will be either gone or clearly running for the exits. Certainly, nobody with any football value is going to sign another GOR. 9. See 8. You've never explained why you think anyone with the means to orchestrate conference realignment moves would extract football value from the Big 12 to place it in the ACC to play home games vs. Wake Forest and Duke. That has never made any sense, and still doesn't now. I guess you think someone is going to swoop in and pay the remaining ACC schools 60 or 70 mil just because? 10. This loser will be the ACC. Also, as an aside, I'm not sure what you're smoking if you think Villanova and Georgetown, who both have FCS football programs and are basketball first schools that play in a power basketball conference that is usually more competitive and gets more teams in the NCAAT than the ACC, would leave the Big East to play in the ACC, or how it would help the ACC in any way to add two FCS football programs. Villanova is usually competitive at the FCS level, but that's FCS, and Georgetown barely even plays football in front of empty bleachers on a LAX field in DC. Frankly, if things get zero hour bad for the ACC, it wouldn't shock me to see some ACC schools, especially the former Big East members like Syracuse, Boston College, or Pitt, go independent in football and join the Big East. They could do a scheduling agreement together for football, sell their own football rights, and juice everything else by playing in the Big East. The alternative would be playing G5 schools and whatever worthless football brands get stuck in the new look G5 ACC.
Posted: 03/03/2025 at 05:12 PM ET
(In response to this post by RandomAsianGuy)

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Interesting and somewhat expected per rumblings. Will be looking
VintonHokies 03/03/25 11:10 AM ET
<$100M to leave in 2030 and $200M now
Millpoint 03/03/25 03:49 PM ET
I suspect that departing schools might also have to pay ESPN separately. **
RandomAsianGuy 03/03/25 03:55 PM ET
ESPN actually paid Texas and OU's exit fees. **
Big12 guy 03/03/25 03:59 PM ET
My takes:
RandomAsianGuy 03/03/25 02:20 PM ET
Point by point.
Baltimore_Hokie 03/03/25 05:12 PM ET
UNC WILL DICTATE ALL OF THIS
MrFantastic! 03/10/25 06:34 AM ET
RE
RandomAsianGuy 03/03/25 07:17 PM ET
I hope you're still prowling around here when all this goes down, so I can-
Baltimore_Hokie 03/04/25 09:43 AM ET
Don't worry. I will stick around. You will have to bear with me for long. **
RandomAsianGuy 03/04/25 02:00 PM ET
I'm not sure the P2 are looking to add up to 7 ACC schools.
EDGEMAN 03/03/25 05:48 PM ET
I disagree. FSU and Clemson clearly have some kind of plan, or-
Baltimore_Hokie 03/04/25 09:40 AM ET
Negotiating with terrorists never backfires.**
HokieNoVA 03/03/25 01:23 PM ET
HUGE “total cost to exit league after 2029-30 expected to drop below 100M!”
Stech 03/03/25 01:19 PM ET
Or the ACC does not add anyone else and shrinks in size.
VTCALS72 03/03/25 07:54 PM ET
Curious
RandomAsianGuy 03/03/25 03:41 PM ET
Have always thought th penalty went to the Conference, clearly the networks
Stech 03/03/25 04:19 PM ET
Texas and OU paid to Fox through the B12.
RandomAsianGuy 03/03/25 04:34 PM ET
ESP actually paid Texas, and OU's exit fees. **
Big12 guy 03/03/25 03:56 PM ET
Link?**
RandomAsianGuy 03/03/25 04:35 PM ET
I would be ok to have USF and UCF instead of FSU and Miami in the ACC.
OrlandoHokie 03/03/25 03:33 PM ET
Do you think this was a stipulation by ESPN to extend the contract? It
Big12 guy 03/03/25 01:22 PM ET
How can you conclude......
2hhoop3 03/03/25 04:15 PM ET
First, it was a legit question to Steth, as I'm thinking
Big12 guy 03/03/25 04:21 PM ET
Might be tiring. .......
2hhoop3 03/03/25 04:25 PM ET
Why would ESPN do that? that’s a money losing move. **
RandomAsianGuy 03/03/25 03:54 PM ET
There has to be a reason the ACC is settling. It's my guess that
Big12 guy 03/03/25 03:57 PM ET
If so, what is the point of having a GOR?
Truthahn 03/03/25 04:46 PM ET
Yes there was a reason but I doubt it’s ESPN. **
RandomAsianGuy 03/03/25 04:37 PM ET
Care to share?**
Big12 guy 03/03/25 05:12 PM ET
There's no reasonable explanation re: the settlement that fits the-
Baltimore_Hokie 03/04/25 09:56 AM ET
I guess you can chalk it up to the Mid Atlantic
Big12 guy 03/04/25 10:10 AM ET
With the exception of Penn State-
Baltimore_Hokie 03/04/25 10:28 AM ET
I think ESPN all along has wanted the ACC for 🏀 ratings. They used to say
Stech 03/03/25 01:53 PM ET
With the media money difference, NIL, and players
Big12 guy 03/03/25 02:01 PM ET
SEC is just in the South that works for 🏈, but not as much for 🏀, both
Stech 03/03/25 02:18 PM ET
All parties "won," that's a negotiation.
Baltimore_Hokie 03/03/25 01:27 PM ET
This will be the beginning of the end for the ACC as a "power" conference.
Baltimore_Hokie 03/03/25 11:58 AM ET
It’s not now in 🏈, ESPN renewed w/ ACC until 2036, expect 🏀 acquisitions
Stech 03/03/25 02:27 PM ET
If the penalty for leaving early is reasonable, you could see
Big12 guy 03/03/25 12:22 PM ET
The article didn't mention it, but I assume that there will be no new GOR.
Baltimore_Hokie 03/03/25 01:02 PM ET
Currently, I don't share your opinion that the ACC falls to
Big12 guy 03/03/25 01:10 PM ET
College football is better off if FSU, Clemson and Miami go to the B12
hokieZ71 03/03/25 07:29 PM ET
What do you think is going to happen in 2035-
Baltimore_Hokie 03/03/25 01:22 PM ET
Nope, didn't sleep though it, but i think that you make too
Big12 guy 03/03/25 01:37 PM ET
If they weren't confident in their ability to leave-
Baltimore_Hokie 03/03/25 01:48 PM ET
haha, I'm not shy of the ire from the old timers. I am curious as
Big12 guy 03/03/25 01:58 PM ET
The schools are going to leave then because 2029-2030 is the window.
Baltimore_Hokie 03/03/25 02:02 PM ET
That is only if the ACC settles with FSU, otherwise, the full GOR
Big12 guy 03/03/25 02:06 PM ET
Very interesting. Buckle up for 2030-31, its going to get wild
HokieAl 03/03/25 11:26 AM ET