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The argument by you
and your ilk is anyone who fells like a woman can play against women. I mean, you literally vote for people who support this insanity. You ARE the war on women. Listen to yourself here……it’s hysterical…..so much science! “Suddenly an athlete doesn't fit that criteria so you decide to move the goalposts to "XY chromosomes". Hey sparky…….that DOES fit the criteria. And yes, he is the gender he was born as…..here, I’ll help. I’ll let former PhD in Biological Anthropology from Harvard help. She recently wrote a book, T: The Story of Testosterone. Her statement here:
First: People living with DSDs should be treated with compassion and understanding, and receive any heath care they need. These can be challenging conditions for individuals and their families. But when male athletes have DSDs that give them an advantage over females, and they compete in the female category, this raises concerns about safety and fairness, and forces discussion of the relevant physical traits.
Athletes with XY DSDs who have testes (usually internal), XY sex chromosomes, male-typical levels of testosterone, and functional androgen receptors are often described as females with "hyperandrogenism," i.e., abnormally high levels of testosterone. They experience physical benefits of this high testosterone during puberty, which translate into athletic advantages over females. The issue for sports is that athletes with the XY DSD 5-alpha reductase deficiency (5-ARD), may be socialized as female, may be legally female, and may live and identify as female; but they are male.
These individuals are usually born with female-appearing genitalia, which can lead to being sexed as female. Here's why. 5-ARD is caused by a mutation in the gene that codes for the enzyme 5-alpha reductase, which converts testosterone into a more potent androgen, DHT. This androgen interacts with the androgen receptor, like testosterone, and is necessary for the typical development of male external genitalia (penis and scrotum) and the prostate. Without DHT, female-typical external genitalia develop. At the end of this monster post is a graphic of the relevant steroid production pathway, from my book T: The story of Testosterone.
DHT is also responsible for male-pattern baldness and dark, coarse facial hair, which is why people with the condition have smooth skin that can give a feminine appearance.
The “decision makers” are aware that athletes with 5-ARD are male, and that they experience the benefits of male puberty. The requirement to reduce their testosterone to typical female levels isn’t discriminatory, since these are males who are asking to compete in the female category. But more significantly, all the relevant scientific evidence shows that reducing male T in adulthood does not undo the physical benefits of male puberty.
I’ll trust her, rather than somebody on a message board with a clear agenda.
I don’t have puppeteers, junior. I see a man beating on a woman and want the situation reversed. I think people like you get off on it. This person wasn’t tested and barred from boxing until last year.
What is silly is thinking that someone who is 7’ tall would be in the same boxing class as someone who is 5’7”. It’s very silly indeed. To your question: “If someone is born a woman but has naturally occurring high level of testosterone should she be barred from women's sports?” As long as the woman doesn’t have XY chromosomes then that’s fine. I doubt they are producing as much T as a man. It’s typically 1/10 to 1/20th as that of a male.
And…..speaking of hypocrites……you just proved yourself to be one…..again! It truly is astounding. I can post so many examples of boys/men playing in female sports it would make your head spin, kind of like it already is. Below is just one recent example. I’ll put you again in the War on Women category. You don’t have a strong opinion of it because you vote for people who are completely for it.
Your lay out of logic was lacking. Now, do the trend of little girls murdered every year at your precious mills……..AGAIN……War on Women.
https://ifstudies.org/blog/has-the-global-war-against-bab...
That’s three War on Women for you. You win!
Thread Replies (69)
Algerian man breaks Italian woman’s nose. Is celebrated. Links abound. **
-- RoswellGAHokie
Aug 01, 2024 at 08:45 AM ET
RoswellGAHokie
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08/01/24 08:45 AM ET
Yet another real life incident...
-- Chris Coleman
Aug 01, 2024 at 12:26 PM ET
Chris Coleman
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08/01/24 12:26 PM ET
No, this person is not transgender**
-- Gobbler-100
Aug 01, 2024 at 12:27 PM ET
Gobbler-100
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08/01/24 12:27 PM ET
Genetically male, but phenotypically female. To be clear, not transgender
-- localhokiekid
Aug 01, 2024 at 11:51 AM ET
localhokiekid
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08/01/24 11:51 AM ET
Thanks for adding context. It's almost as if the OP was being intentionally
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 01, 2024 at 01:37 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/01/24 01:37 PM ET
It is because it implies the person being talked about is transgender. If
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 01, 2024 at 06:38 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/01/24 06:38 PM ET
No. It states “Algerian Man.” It doesn’t mention “trans”.
-- HokieHam
Aug 02, 2024 at 12:15 AM ET
HokieHam
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08/02/24 12:15 AM ET
No I’m saying the truth and facts are much more complex. But people like
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 08:23 AM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 08:23 AM ET
The narrative that this is a clear cut case of a biological superior male
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 01:36 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 01:36 PM ET
Again I'm arguing that the science of biology is not as clear cut as you
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 03:14 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 03:14 PM ET
Let's start with your very first sentence which is completely false as
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 06:00 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 06:00 PM ET
Yeah. I must have missed that part. You tend to just drone on and on and
-- HokieHam
Aug 02, 2024 at 09:05 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/02/24 09:05 PM ET
I appreciate you admitting that you didn't bother reading before shooting
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 11:14 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 11:14 PM ET
Oh yeah here’s one more fact. You were dead wrong when you made this claim
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 03, 2024 at 11:52 AM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/03/24 11:52 AM ET
You were wrong. Take the L and move on. Hope that's succinct enough for you
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 03, 2024 at 10:29 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/03/24 10:29 PM ET
Nope. Read the article. You were wrong.
-- HokieHam
Aug 04, 2024 at 09:44 AM ET
HokieHam
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08/04/24 09:44 AM ET
And which two organizations would that be exactly? I’m not sure you read
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 04, 2024 at 12:45 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/04/24 12:45 PM ET
So answer the questions. **
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 04, 2024 at 03:14 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/04/24 03:14 PM ET
Zero talking points. I asked you two direct, simple questions that for some
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 04, 2024 at 03:25 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/04/24 03:25 PM ET
That’s not an answer. Your continued avoidance is answer enough though. You
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 04, 2024 at 11:34 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/04/24 11:34 PM ET
Yeah. I tend to read things too fast.
-- HokieHam
Aug 05, 2024 at 09:18 AM ET
HokieHam
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08/05/24 09:18 AM ET
So why not simply admit you didn’t read your own article instead of
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 05, 2024 at 12:59 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/05/24 12:59 PM ET
Fact. You continue to spout conjecture and misinformation as “fact”. **
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 03, 2024 at 11:36 AM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/03/24 11:36 AM ET
What is a woman? Asking for a friend.**
-- TomTurkey
Aug 01, 2024 at 09:30 AM ET
TomTurkey
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08/01/24 09:30 AM ET
What's your definition? You might be surprised as to whether or not...
-- Gobbler-100
Aug 01, 2024 at 12:27 PM ET
Gobbler-100
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08/01/24 12:27 PM ET
If they test as genetically male, they are male.
-- HokieHam
Aug 01, 2024 at 01:16 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/01/24 01:16 PM ET
So your answer to the question of what's a woman is XX, full stop. Correct?
-- Gobbler-100
Aug 01, 2024 at 01:29 PM ET
Gobbler-100
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08/01/24 01:29 PM ET
Well that's where my definition begins.
-- Hokie CPA
Aug 01, 2024 at 03:31 PM ET
Hokie CPA
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08/01/24 03:31 PM ET
I also included in my post factors that are visually observable…..but feel
-- HokieHam
Aug 01, 2024 at 02:19 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/01/24 02:19 PM ET
It should be ignored because "visually observable factors" are in no way
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 01, 2024 at 06:51 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/01/24 06:51 PM ET
No it shouldn’t. I noticed how you overlooked the punching force of
-- HokieHam
Aug 02, 2024 at 12:21 AM ET
HokieHam
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08/02/24 12:21 AM ET
No I’m not ignoring it. It falls under the same logic. I doubt every single
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 08:36 AM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 08:36 AM ET
And I’ve said the whole time….
-- HokieHam
Aug 02, 2024 at 10:51 AM ET
HokieHam
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08/02/24 10:51 AM ET
And there's your problem. You think it's "simple" when it is in reality
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 01:44 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 01:44 PM ET
Nope. Doesn’t undermine it one bit. The evidence from his fight a day ago
-- HokieHam
Aug 02, 2024 at 02:07 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/02/24 02:07 PM ET
Mind citing your source for the XY chromosome stuff? All I find is a
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 02:41 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 02:41 PM ET
Oh…..now it’s a Russian conspiracy.
-- HokieHam
Aug 02, 2024 at 04:16 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/02/24 04:16 PM ET
Your response is a deflection. Would you please answer the question?**
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 05:12 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 05:12 PM ET
Noticed you had time to post a novel above but ignored this.. For the third
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 09:13 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 09:13 PM ET
I mean, lol, I can think of one visually observable factor...
-- Gobbler-100
Aug 01, 2024 at 04:00 PM ET
Gobbler-100
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08/01/24 04:00 PM ET
Hahaha. Well, yes, of course.**
-- HokieHam
Aug 01, 2024 at 04:25 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/01/24 04:25 PM ET
Problem is, your extra factors are categorically stupid
-- Nova Hokie 95
Aug 01, 2024 at 02:58 PM ET
Nova Hokie 95
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08/01/24 02:58 PM ET
See the very first sentence of my original reply…….
-- HokieHam
Aug 01, 2024 at 04:18 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/01/24 04:18 PM ET
Well hold on now ...
-- Nova Hokie 95
Aug 01, 2024 at 04:22 PM ET
Nova Hokie 95
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08/01/24 04:22 PM ET
You haven’t followed it closely. You can believe it, but there are 0
-- HokieHam
Aug 01, 2024 at 05:11 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/01/24 05:11 PM ET
One fact and one falsehood
-- Nova Hokie 95
Aug 01, 2024 at 06:12 PM ET
Nova Hokie 95
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08/01/24 06:12 PM ET
Yeah it's not clear to me that these guys understand...
-- Gobbler-100
Aug 01, 2024 at 04:46 PM ET
Gobbler-100
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08/01/24 04:46 PM ET
There is nothing being reported about the type of genitalia he was born
-- HokieHam
Aug 01, 2024 at 05:24 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/01/24 05:24 PM ET
this person has lived their whole life as a woman. I've got to imagine
-- reestuart
Aug 01, 2024 at 07:31 PM ET
reestuart
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08/01/24 07:31 PM ET
We don’t know as there are many variations with his disorder.
-- HokieHam
Aug 02, 2024 at 12:25 AM ET
HokieHam
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08/02/24 12:25 AM ET
I am very sure the IOC screwed this up. The testosterone levels...
-- Gobbler-100
Aug 01, 2024 at 03:57 PM ET
Gobbler-100
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08/01/24 03:57 PM ET
one thing about the boxing federation that banned the boxer is they are
-- reestuart
Aug 01, 2024 at 07:21 PM ET
reestuart
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08/01/24 07:21 PM ET
Agree fully with your final point
-- Nova Hokie 95
Aug 01, 2024 at 04:27 PM ET
Nova Hokie 95
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08/01/24 04:27 PM ET
Yeah, absolutely, and honestly...
-- Gobbler-100
Aug 01, 2024 at 04:44 PM ET
Gobbler-100
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08/01/24 04:44 PM ET
This is a good Twit thread explaining the situation.**
-- HokieHam
Aug 01, 2024 at 05:38 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/01/24 05:38 PM ET
If you want women's sports done right... Get a man to do it.
-- HokieGator
Aug 01, 2024 at 09:09 AM ET
HokieGator
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08/01/24 09:09 AM ET
a proud moment for the insane **
-- bigbadbird
Aug 01, 2024 at 08:54 AM ET
bigbadbird
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08/01/24 08:54 AM ET