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and your ilk is anyone who fells like a woman can play against women. I mean, you literally vote for people who support this insanity. You ARE the war on women. Listen to yourself here……it’s hysterical…..so much science! “Suddenly an athlete doesn't fit that criteria so you decide to move the goalposts to "XY chromosomes". Hey sparky…….that DOES fit the criteria. And yes, he is the gender he was born as…..here, I’ll help. I’ll let former PhD in Biological Anthropology from Harvard help. She recently wrote a book, T: The Story of Testosterone. Her statement here: First: People living with DSDs should be treated with compassion and understanding, and receive any heath care they need. These can be challenging conditions for individuals and their families. But when male athletes have DSDs that give them an advantage over females, and they compete in the female category, this raises concerns about safety and fairness, and forces discussion of the relevant physical traits. Athletes with XY DSDs who have testes (usually internal), XY sex chromosomes, male-typical levels of testosterone, and functional androgen receptors are often described as females with "hyperandrogenism," i.e., abnormally high levels of testosterone. They experience physical benefits of this high testosterone during puberty, which translate into athletic advantages over females. The issue for sports is that athletes with the XY DSD 5-alpha reductase deficiency (5-ARD), may be socialized as female, may be legally female, and may live and identify as female; but they are male. These individuals are usually born with female-appearing genitalia, which can lead to being sexed as female. Here's why. 5-ARD is caused by a mutation in the gene that codes for the enzyme 5-alpha reductase, which converts testosterone into a more potent androgen, DHT. This androgen interacts with the androgen receptor, like testosterone, and is necessary for the typical development of male external genitalia (penis and scrotum) and the prostate. Without DHT, female-typical external genitalia develop. At the end of this monster post is a graphic of the relevant steroid production pathway, from my book T: The story of Testosterone. DHT is also responsible for male-pattern baldness and dark, coarse facial hair, which is why people with the condition have smooth skin that can give a feminine appearance. The “decision makers” are aware that athletes with 5-ARD are male, and that they experience the benefits of male puberty. The requirement to reduce their testosterone to typical female levels isn’t discriminatory, since these are males who are asking to compete in the female category. But more significantly, all the relevant scientific evidence shows that reducing male T in adulthood does not undo the physical benefits of male puberty. I’ll trust her, rather than somebody on a message board with a clear agenda. I don’t have puppeteers, junior. I see a man beating on a woman and want the situation reversed. I think people like you get off on it. This person wasn’t tested and barred from boxing until last year. What is silly is thinking that someone who is 7’ tall would be in the same boxing class as someone who is 5’7”. It’s very silly indeed. To your question: “If someone is born a woman but has naturally occurring high level of testosterone should she be barred from women's sports?” As long as the woman doesn’t have XY chromosomes then that’s fine. I doubt they are producing as much T as a man. It’s typically 1/10 to 1/20th as that of a male. And…..speaking of hypocrites……you just proved yourself to be one…..again! It truly is astounding. I can post so many examples of boys/men playing in female sports it would make your head spin, kind of like it already is. Below is just one recent example. I’ll put you again in the War on Women category. You don’t have a strong opinion of it because you vote for people who are completely for it. Your lay out of logic was lacking. Now, do the trend of little girls murdered every year at your precious mills……..AGAIN……War on Women. https://ifstudies.org/blog/has-the-global-war-against-bab... That’s three War on Women for you. You win!
Posted: 08/02/2024 at 04:16 PM ET
(In response to this post by AbsolutVT03)

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Algerian man breaks Italian woman’s nose. Is celebrated. Links abound. **
RoswellGAHokie 08/01/24 08:45 AM ET
Yet another real life incident...
Chris ColemanAdmin 08/01/24 12:26 PM ET
Yup.**
HokieHam 08/01/24 01:18 PM ET
No, this person is not transgender**
Gobbler-100 08/01/24 12:27 PM ET
Genetically male, but phenotypically female. To be clear, not transgender
localhokiekid 08/01/24 11:51 AM ET
Genetically Male
freemason 08/02/24 09:17 AM ET
Thanks for adding context. It's almost as if the OP was being intentionally
AbsolutVT03 08/01/24 01:37 PM ET
No it’s not.**
HokieHam 08/01/24 02:32 PM ET
It is because it implies the person being talked about is transgender. If
AbsolutVT03 08/01/24 06:38 PM ET
No. It states “Algerian Man.” It doesn’t mention “trans”.
HokieHam 08/02/24 12:15 AM ET
No I’m saying the truth and facts are much more complex. But people like
AbsolutVT03 08/02/24 08:23 AM ET
What narrative?
HokieHam 08/02/24 10:50 AM ET
The narrative that this is a clear cut case of a biological superior male
AbsolutVT03 08/02/24 01:36 PM ET
That IS the case.
HokieHam 08/02/24 02:05 PM ET
Again I'm arguing that the science of biology is not as clear cut as you
AbsolutVT03 08/02/24 03:14 PM ET
The argument by you
HokieHam 08/02/24 04:16 PM ET
Let's start with your very first sentence which is completely false as
AbsolutVT03 08/02/24 06:00 PM ET
Yeah. I must have missed that part. You tend to just drone on and on and
HokieHam 08/02/24 09:05 PM ET
I appreciate you admitting that you didn't bother reading before shooting
AbsolutVT03 08/02/24 11:14 PM ET
TLDR.
HokieHam 08/03/24 10:35 AM ET
Oh yeah here’s one more fact. You were dead wrong when you made this claim
AbsolutVT03 08/03/24 11:52 AM ET
Fact:
HokieHam 08/03/24 08:16 PM ET
You were wrong. Take the L and move on. Hope that's succinct enough for you
AbsolutVT03 08/03/24 10:29 PM ET
Nope. Read the article. You were wrong.
HokieHam 08/04/24 09:44 AM ET
And which two organizations would that be exactly? I’m not sure you read
AbsolutVT03 08/04/24 12:45 PM ET
I did read it.
HokieHam 08/04/24 03:02 PM ET
So answer the questions. **
AbsolutVT03 08/04/24 03:14 PM ET
They’re accessible.
HokieHam 08/04/24 03:18 PM ET
Zero talking points. I asked you two direct, simple questions that for some
AbsolutVT03 08/04/24 03:25 PM ET
Answer accessible.
HokieHam 08/04/24 11:07 PM ET
That’s not an answer. Your continued avoidance is answer enough though. You
AbsolutVT03 08/04/24 11:34 PM ET
Yeah. I tend to read things too fast.
HokieHam 08/05/24 09:18 AM ET
So why not simply admit you didn’t read your own article instead of
AbsolutVT03 08/05/24 12:59 PM ET
Fact. You continue to spout conjecture and misinformation as “fact”. **
AbsolutVT03 08/03/24 11:36 AM ET
It’s utterly disgusting.
HokieHam 08/01/24 09:42 AM ET
What is a woman? Asking for a friend.**
TomTurkey 08/01/24 09:30 AM ET
What's your definition? You might be surprised as to whether or not...
Gobbler-100 08/01/24 12:27 PM ET
If they test as genetically male, they are male.
HokieHam 08/01/24 01:16 PM ET
So your answer to the question of what's a woman is XX, full stop. Correct?
Gobbler-100 08/01/24 01:29 PM ET
Well that's where my definition begins.
Hokie CPA 08/01/24 03:31 PM ET
I also included in my post factors that are visually observable…..but feel
HokieHam 08/01/24 02:19 PM ET
It should be ignored because "visually observable factors" are in no way
AbsolutVT03 08/01/24 06:51 PM ET
No it shouldn’t. I noticed how you overlooked the punching force of
HokieHam 08/02/24 12:21 AM ET
No I’m not ignoring it. It falls under the same logic. I doubt every single
AbsolutVT03 08/02/24 08:36 AM ET
And I’ve said the whole time….
HokieHam 08/02/24 10:51 AM ET
And there's your problem. You think it's "simple" when it is in reality
AbsolutVT03 08/02/24 01:44 PM ET
Nope. Doesn’t undermine it one bit. The evidence from his fight a day ago
HokieHam 08/02/24 02:07 PM ET
Mind citing your source for the XY chromosome stuff? All I find is a
AbsolutVT03 08/02/24 02:41 PM ET
Oh…..now it’s a Russian conspiracy.
HokieHam 08/02/24 04:16 PM ET
Your response is a deflection. Would you please answer the question?**
AbsolutVT03 08/02/24 05:12 PM ET
Noticed you had time to post a novel above but ignored this.. For the third
AbsolutVT03 08/02/24 09:13 PM ET
I mean, lol, I can think of one visually observable factor...
Gobbler-100 08/01/24 04:00 PM ET
Hahaha. Well, yes, of course.**
HokieHam 08/01/24 04:25 PM ET
Problem is, your extra factors are categorically stupid
Nova Hokie 95 08/01/24 02:58 PM ET
See the very first sentence of my original reply…….
HokieHam 08/01/24 04:18 PM ET
Well hold on now ...
Nova Hokie 95 08/01/24 04:22 PM ET
You haven’t followed it closely. You can believe it, but there are 0
HokieHam 08/01/24 05:11 PM ET
One fact and one falsehood
Nova Hokie 95 08/01/24 06:12 PM ET
He has XY chromosomes.
HokieHam 08/02/24 12:11 AM ET
Yeah it's not clear to me that these guys understand...
Gobbler-100 08/01/24 04:46 PM ET
There is nothing being reported about the type of genitalia he was born
HokieHam 08/01/24 05:24 PM ET
this person has lived their whole life as a woman. I've got to imagine
reestuart 08/01/24 07:31 PM ET
We don’t know as there are many variations with his disorder.
HokieHam 08/02/24 12:25 AM ET
I am very sure the IOC screwed this up. The testosterone levels...
Gobbler-100 08/01/24 03:57 PM ET
one thing about the boxing federation that banned the boxer is they are
reestuart 08/01/24 07:21 PM ET
Agree fully with your final point
Nova Hokie 95 08/01/24 04:27 PM ET
Yeah, absolutely, and honestly...
Gobbler-100 08/01/24 04:44 PM ET
This is a good Twit thread explaining the situation.**
HokieHam 08/01/24 05:38 PM ET
If you want women's sports done right... Get a man to do it.
HokieGator 08/01/24 09:09 AM ET
a proud moment for the insane **
bigbadbird 08/01/24 08:54 AM ET