obfuscating? It’s also worth noting that the official quoted is Hungarian which is the same nationality as the boxer’s next opponent. So obviously he has a vested interest in getting the Algerian fighter disqualified. And regardless of his current position he’s still citing the same tests that have never been shown or even had the methodology disclosed. Saying they were done in an “independent lab” means nothing. Show the proof. Name the lab. Describe the process used. All of that should be simple and standard when talking about eligibility of any kind. If you are going to label the athletes’ decision to not appeal as “another clue” then you also need to ask why the IBA won’t release any sort of details AND why it tested her in 2022 and she apparently failed but was allowed not only to compete then but to also compete in 2023. If there were questions about her eligibility dating back to 2022 shouldn’t those have been addressed right off the bat in 2023? Instead it wasn’t until after she defeated a Russian boxer that she was suddenly disqualified. Are those also “clues” or is it just speculation that fits your opinion that qualifies? “ So far we’ve got you claiming they were raised as female. That makes no difference to their biological makeup. “ Pretty sure I’ve mentioned that once in all of my posts on the subject. It is by no means the or even a central point of my argument. To attempt to reduce my various valid points to one minor detail is disingenuous and inaccurate. “Should these two be allowed to compete? They are biological males.” Before answering your question I want to address your second sentence. We simply don’t know that to be true. Despite you trying to claim it’s “simple” genetics are actually very complicated. I don’t pretend to be an expert on the subject but even if I was the simple fact is we don’t have the relevant information to make an educated decision. You yourself early on admitted you don’t really know the boxer’s biology or condition. So to answer your question… I really don’t know. Given the lack of concrete evidence and factual information I’d lean towards yes simply because I’m not cool with disqualifying people based on innuendo and unverified allegations. FWIW I would have the same opinion if we were talking about steroids or some other disqualifying element. And that is all consistent with basically everything I’ve said in this whole discussion. Is it possible that she has a genetic advantage? Sure. I’ve never said otherwise. But that hasn’t been proven by any credible scientific evidence or source. And if you want to go down the path of testing her then you need to test every single other female competitor in every single sport to ensure they also do not possess some sort of similar advantage. That is if you truly care about fairness across all women’s sports. ** Edited by AbsolutVT03 at 8/5/2024, 1:29:40 PM