Again I'm arguing that the science of biology is not as clear cut as you
and others want to make it out. The argument by you and your ilk has been for years that athletes should compete as the gender they were born as. Suddenly an athlete doesn't fit that criteria so you decide to move the goalposts to "XY chromosomes" (which I'll point out again we don't seem to know is true). Similarly, the reason other people brought up sex organs is that you and others like you have for years argued that "if they have a penis, they're a man". That's the indicator... until it's not. Seems like maybe you are the one having trouble defining a woman now huh? Meanwhile, the whole time I've basically been saying that biology and genetics is complicated. That in some cases there's a lot more nuance and gray area than people would like to admit. Then, lo and behold, an example of just that comes along and you want to act like I'm the one being anti-science? You're right... it is hilarious but it's because you're the joke.
Speaking of four years ago... were you up in arms at the last Olympics when this same athlete competed and did not medal? I'm guessing no... because you don't get outraged until your puppeteers tell you to.
What's not "silly" is you trying to dismiss my valid point regarding elite athletes being born with genetic and physical advantages. Are you trying to argue that someone who grows to be 7 feet tall does not have a competitive advantage in basketball compared to someone who is 5'7? Or that someone who has extra lung capacity or produces less lactic acid doesn't have an inherent advantage in any sort of endurance sport? Again you want to talk "science" until it doesn't fit your narrative and then it's "silly". The point I was making is that sports are full of "unfair advantages" many of which are determined by genetics. So when we start trying to break down advantages at that level it becomes more complicated. If someone is born a woman but has naturally occurring high level of testosterone should she be barred from women's sports? I'm sure you'll avoid that question as you avoided this whole line of reasoning because you don't have a valid response that doesn't make you look like the hypocrite you are.
And speaking of hypocrites... your last paragraph is spot on... if you're talking about yourself. First off my thoughts on transgender women competing in women's sports are and basically have been that it's an issue that is given an outsized amount of coverage relative to the number of people impacted. And it's done so because people like you react with such rage and emotion that it's an easy button to push to manipulate you. I personally don't have a ton of strong feelings one way or the other when it comes to transgender women (which again the boxer in question is not) competing. I think both sides have some valid points and I do not have a problem with sports organizations setting rules or guidelines regarding the participation of transgender athletes.
Now that we've cleared that up, lets get into your "War on Women" nonsense. Let me lay out the logic for you. You're up in arms over an athlete that was supposedly born with unique genetic traits (I'm being intentionally vague b/c I, like you, don't know for a fact what they are) beating a competitor in an Olympic boxing match. How many women in this country do you think are impacted by similar situations? Feel free to make your guess on the high side b/c it won't matter. Now how many women in this country can get pregnant? I get that science isn't your bag so math probably isn't a strong suit either but I'm sure even you can figure out which number there is going to be bigger. My concern and focus is on something that has the potential to impact millions of women. Yours is on one that might be in the thousands at most. So tell me exactly how my concern is "trash" or hypocritical?
Thread Replies (69)
Algerian man breaks Italian woman’s nose. Is celebrated. Links abound. **
-- RoswellGAHokie
Aug 01, 2024 at 08:45 AM ET
RoswellGAHokie
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08/01/24 08:45 AM ET
Yet another real life incident...
-- Chris Coleman
Aug 01, 2024 at 12:26 PM ET
Chris Coleman
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08/01/24 12:26 PM ET
No, this person is not transgender**
-- Gobbler-100
Aug 01, 2024 at 12:27 PM ET
Gobbler-100
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08/01/24 12:27 PM ET
Genetically male, but phenotypically female. To be clear, not transgender
-- localhokiekid
Aug 01, 2024 at 11:51 AM ET
localhokiekid
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08/01/24 11:51 AM ET
Thanks for adding context. It's almost as if the OP was being intentionally
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 01, 2024 at 01:37 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/01/24 01:37 PM ET
It is because it implies the person being talked about is transgender. If
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 01, 2024 at 06:38 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/01/24 06:38 PM ET
No. It states “Algerian Man.” It doesn’t mention “trans”.
-- HokieHam
Aug 02, 2024 at 12:15 AM ET
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08/02/24 12:15 AM ET
No I’m saying the truth and facts are much more complex. But people like
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 08:23 AM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 08:23 AM ET
The narrative that this is a clear cut case of a biological superior male
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 01:36 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 01:36 PM ET
Again I'm arguing that the science of biology is not as clear cut as you
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-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 03:14 PM ET
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08/02/24 03:14 PM ET
Let's start with your very first sentence which is completely false as
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 06:00 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 06:00 PM ET
Yeah. I must have missed that part. You tend to just drone on and on and
-- HokieHam
Aug 02, 2024 at 09:05 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/02/24 09:05 PM ET
I appreciate you admitting that you didn't bother reading before shooting
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 11:14 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 11:14 PM ET
Oh yeah here’s one more fact. You were dead wrong when you made this claim
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 03, 2024 at 11:52 AM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/03/24 11:52 AM ET
You were wrong. Take the L and move on. Hope that's succinct enough for you
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 03, 2024 at 10:29 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/03/24 10:29 PM ET
Nope. Read the article. You were wrong.
-- HokieHam
Aug 04, 2024 at 09:44 AM ET
HokieHam
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08/04/24 09:44 AM ET
And which two organizations would that be exactly? I’m not sure you read
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 04, 2024 at 12:45 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/04/24 12:45 PM ET
So answer the questions. **
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 04, 2024 at 03:14 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/04/24 03:14 PM ET
Zero talking points. I asked you two direct, simple questions that for some
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 04, 2024 at 03:25 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/04/24 03:25 PM ET
That’s not an answer. Your continued avoidance is answer enough though. You
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 04, 2024 at 11:34 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/04/24 11:34 PM ET
Yeah. I tend to read things too fast.
-- HokieHam
Aug 05, 2024 at 09:18 AM ET
HokieHam
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08/05/24 09:18 AM ET
So why not simply admit you didn’t read your own article instead of
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 05, 2024 at 12:59 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/05/24 12:59 PM ET
Fact. You continue to spout conjecture and misinformation as “fact”. **
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 03, 2024 at 11:36 AM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/03/24 11:36 AM ET
What is a woman? Asking for a friend.**
-- TomTurkey
Aug 01, 2024 at 09:30 AM ET
TomTurkey
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08/01/24 09:30 AM ET
What's your definition? You might be surprised as to whether or not...
-- Gobbler-100
Aug 01, 2024 at 12:27 PM ET
Gobbler-100
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08/01/24 12:27 PM ET
If they test as genetically male, they are male.
-- HokieHam
Aug 01, 2024 at 01:16 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/01/24 01:16 PM ET
So your answer to the question of what's a woman is XX, full stop. Correct?
-- Gobbler-100
Aug 01, 2024 at 01:29 PM ET
Gobbler-100
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08/01/24 01:29 PM ET
Well that's where my definition begins.
-- Hokie CPA
Aug 01, 2024 at 03:31 PM ET
Hokie CPA
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08/01/24 03:31 PM ET
I also included in my post factors that are visually observable…..but feel
-- HokieHam
Aug 01, 2024 at 02:19 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/01/24 02:19 PM ET
It should be ignored because "visually observable factors" are in no way
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 01, 2024 at 06:51 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/01/24 06:51 PM ET
No it shouldn’t. I noticed how you overlooked the punching force of
-- HokieHam
Aug 02, 2024 at 12:21 AM ET
HokieHam
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08/02/24 12:21 AM ET
No I’m not ignoring it. It falls under the same logic. I doubt every single
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 08:36 AM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 08:36 AM ET
And I’ve said the whole time….
-- HokieHam
Aug 02, 2024 at 10:51 AM ET
HokieHam
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08/02/24 10:51 AM ET
And there's your problem. You think it's "simple" when it is in reality
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 01:44 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 01:44 PM ET
Nope. Doesn’t undermine it one bit. The evidence from his fight a day ago
-- HokieHam
Aug 02, 2024 at 02:07 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/02/24 02:07 PM ET
Mind citing your source for the XY chromosome stuff? All I find is a
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 02:41 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 02:41 PM ET
Oh…..now it’s a Russian conspiracy.
-- HokieHam
Aug 02, 2024 at 04:16 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/02/24 04:16 PM ET
Your response is a deflection. Would you please answer the question?**
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 05:12 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 05:12 PM ET
Noticed you had time to post a novel above but ignored this.. For the third
-- AbsolutVT03
Aug 02, 2024 at 09:13 PM ET
AbsolutVT03
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08/02/24 09:13 PM ET
I mean, lol, I can think of one visually observable factor...
-- Gobbler-100
Aug 01, 2024 at 04:00 PM ET
Gobbler-100
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08/01/24 04:00 PM ET
Hahaha. Well, yes, of course.**
-- HokieHam
Aug 01, 2024 at 04:25 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/01/24 04:25 PM ET
Problem is, your extra factors are categorically stupid
-- Nova Hokie 95
Aug 01, 2024 at 02:58 PM ET
Nova Hokie 95
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08/01/24 02:58 PM ET
See the very first sentence of my original reply…….
-- HokieHam
Aug 01, 2024 at 04:18 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/01/24 04:18 PM ET
Well hold on now ...
-- Nova Hokie 95
Aug 01, 2024 at 04:22 PM ET
Nova Hokie 95
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08/01/24 04:22 PM ET
You haven’t followed it closely. You can believe it, but there are 0
-- HokieHam
Aug 01, 2024 at 05:11 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/01/24 05:11 PM ET
One fact and one falsehood
-- Nova Hokie 95
Aug 01, 2024 at 06:12 PM ET
Nova Hokie 95
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08/01/24 06:12 PM ET
Yeah it's not clear to me that these guys understand...
-- Gobbler-100
Aug 01, 2024 at 04:46 PM ET
Gobbler-100
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08/01/24 04:46 PM ET
There is nothing being reported about the type of genitalia he was born
-- HokieHam
Aug 01, 2024 at 05:24 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/01/24 05:24 PM ET
this person has lived their whole life as a woman. I've got to imagine
-- reestuart
Aug 01, 2024 at 07:31 PM ET
reestuart
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08/01/24 07:31 PM ET
We don’t know as there are many variations with his disorder.
-- HokieHam
Aug 02, 2024 at 12:25 AM ET
HokieHam
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08/02/24 12:25 AM ET
I am very sure the IOC screwed this up. The testosterone levels...
-- Gobbler-100
Aug 01, 2024 at 03:57 PM ET
Gobbler-100
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08/01/24 03:57 PM ET
one thing about the boxing federation that banned the boxer is they are
-- reestuart
Aug 01, 2024 at 07:21 PM ET
reestuart
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08/01/24 07:21 PM ET
Agree fully with your final point
-- Nova Hokie 95
Aug 01, 2024 at 04:27 PM ET
Nova Hokie 95
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08/01/24 04:27 PM ET
Yeah, absolutely, and honestly...
-- Gobbler-100
Aug 01, 2024 at 04:44 PM ET
Gobbler-100
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08/01/24 04:44 PM ET
This is a good Twit thread explaining the situation.**
-- HokieHam
Aug 01, 2024 at 05:38 PM ET
HokieHam
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08/01/24 05:38 PM ET
If you want women's sports done right... Get a man to do it.
-- HokieGator
Aug 01, 2024 at 09:09 AM ET
HokieGator
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08/01/24 09:09 AM ET
a proud moment for the insane **
-- bigbadbird
Aug 01, 2024 at 08:54 AM ET
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08/01/24 08:54 AM ET