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TY - Have a great Fathers day if appropriate!

I think by looking at just VA data really minimizes your sample of players and recruiting rankings. You spent a lot of time on this, and I think if you got some more critical feedback from some ont you trust you could turn it into something that has real value. Your conclusion should say "Virginia HS recruiting rankings are not reliable..." because that is all the data you have - Also I still dont think they are unreliable due to attrition - thats the nature of the business/sport. Decising to offer a kid includes both the ranking and the character assessment and you cant predict injuries at all. The ranking is and should be skill based only and part of the decision to offer. I think the grey area between 4 and 3 stars you are seeing is an artifact of 1) data response "contribution" watering down any relationship and seperation (for example do a chart of Avg Games Started (Y-axis) and Stars (X-axis) by year (one trend per year) - how many years show negative trend? That is your reliability metric for those that did not attrite 2) Add in attrition and do the same thing as above - now you get a model with attrition included. 3) Look at national recruiting and see where teams were ranked in year 1 and where they finished year 1, year 2, year 3, and year 4 - one of those will have the highest correlation and be a new predictor of the value of rankings and getting high star players on your team. 4) NIL and Portaling really messes up the modern day analysis by adding another layer of data to your HS data - but if you can build the HS data then rest and add in the portal data/rankings too... Again - thanks for debating and responding - Im retired and a degreed stat guy and took courses in stats in sports over covid - this is a fun convo and your energy on this is awesome!
Posted: 06/21/2026 at 10:50 AM ET
(In response to this post by Flanker)

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Flanker 06/19/26 10:54 AM ET
I give you credit for using your VT statistics degree for us.
VaTechie 06/19/26 08:30 PM ET
I take issue with page 71, paragraph 5, sentence 3.**
Hate2SeeItEnd Hokie 06/19/26 06:54 PM ET
Wow I think you defended your thesis well. I will try to consolidate all
uber hokie 06/19/26 06:36 PM ET
Let's talk about these talented players in five years.
Flanker 06/20/26 06:31 AM ET
I gave this a like because it was…
VPI63 06/19/26 06:24 PM ET
You can click on the link at the bottom to see the previous year's analysis
Flanker 06/20/26 06:33 AM ET
hmmmmmm... so, yer sayin' thar's a, chance?
bourbonstreet 06/19/26 06:21 PM ET
I put the percentages below for the nine year period
Flanker 06/20/26 06:37 AM ET
Agree with you or not, I have to admire the amount of work you put in**
HokieNL 06/19/26 02:32 PM ET
Credibiltiy check: You said VT has better contributors than Ohio State. **
Techsupport 06/19/26 02:00 PM ET
FWIW, the entire notion that HS recruiting is a revenue stream...
Beerman 06/19/26 01:10 PM ET
You seem to be an expert in recruiting
Hardcore_Hokie 06/19/26 12:31 PM ET
Nobody can accurately predict with certainty the success of the recruits
Flanker 06/19/26 01:06 PM ET
I guess I don’t understand how this suggests Star ratings
Pride_and_Joy 06/19/26 11:26 AM ET
^^^This right here^^^ Hammer meets nail! @Flanker lots of great
U2Hokie 06/20/26 03:47 PM ET
Here’s a quick synopsis of the estimating small proportions
Pride_and_Joy 06/20/26 05:35 PM ET
P&J only looked at ONE year instead of all NINE years
Flanker 06/20/26 04:57 PM ET
@Flanker I'd like to see your contribution metric for 3 and 4 stars
U2Hokie 06/20/26 08:57 PM ET
Here you go
Flanker 06/21/26 10:09 AM ET
TY - Have a great Fathers day if appropriate!
U2Hokie 06/21/26 10:50 AM ET
My rebuttal
Flanker 06/21/26 11:17 AM ET
OK - keep on chuggin those numbers out as a historian/auditor 5 yrs later -
U2Hokie 06/21/26 04:37 PM ET
I'm doing one more year so I'll have TEN years of data.
Flanker 06/21/26 06:49 PM ET
10-4 TY - The Athletic reranked with the benefit of history and only 11
U2Hokie 06/21/26 07:05 PM ET
The fact is.......
2hhoop3 06/21/26 07:22 PM ET
Here is a great article too**
U2Hokie 06/20/26 03:48 PM ET
Interesting but I object to some of their methods and conclusions
Flanker 06/21/26 11:24 AM ET
Let me explain
Flanker 06/19/26 11:46 AM ET
If attrition rates include transfer portal I’m surprised it’s not higher
uber hokie 06/19/26 06:28 PM ET
This is a bit like deciding you don't want to use a couple
BuffaloTraceHokie 06/19/26 04:14 PM ET
Need a bunch of 4s for sure
crazylane 06/19/26 10:37 PM ET
Too many four stars are overrated
Flanker 06/20/26 08:48 AM ET
If you're not getting you're share of 4 stars(double digits maybe)
crazylane 06/20/26 04:40 PM ET
This analysis says dont worry - 3's are just as good if not better than 4's
U2Hokie 06/22/26 07:16 AM ET
Good analogy
Flanker 06/19/26 05:13 PM ET
I appreciate the response. And I won't go into it here, but...
BuffaloTraceHokie 06/24/26 09:49 AM ET
What do you mean by attrition rate? **
Pride_and_Joy 06/19/26 12:48 PM ET
All that means is that base rates of success are
Pride_and_Joy 06/19/26 04:24 PM ET
The rankings are certainly unreliable
Flanker 06/20/26 06:54 AM ET
I don’t know anyone who thinks the predictive validity
Pride_and_Joy 06/20/26 09:01 AM ET
It sounds like we might agree that the rankings are unreliable
Flanker 06/20/26 09:15 AM ET
You just plucked an arbitrary number out of thin air.
Pride_and_Joy 06/20/26 10:00 AM ET
So you're happy with 50% accuracy?
Flanker 06/20/26 10:43 AM ET
Also the NFL Draft is BS, the NBA Draft is BS, Stock Market is BS.
Hardcore_Hokie 06/20/26 04:21 PM ET
The percentage you set.....
2hhoop3 06/20/26 09:43 AM ET
I hope we agree that .300 is really bad for predictions.
Flanker 06/20/26 10:56 AM ET
Everyone should do.....
2hhoop3 06/20/26 11:16 AM ET
I conducted an AUDIT and the recruiting service algorithms FAILED.
Flanker 06/20/26 05:13 PM ET
You can see yourself ......
2hhoop3 06/20/26 06:00 PM ET
Sorry about that. I meant recruits that don't contribute.
Flanker 06/19/26 12:55 PM ET
I'll save you some time. You don't need to look at any other year.
UEMcGill 06/19/26 11:02 AM ET
I'm doing one more year. I'll just find other ways to waste time.
Flanker 06/19/26 01:08 PM ET
I sometimes wonder if the schools they select is another variable.
TekkNerd 06/19/26 11:19 AM ET
Picking the school with the best scheme and coaches is important.
Flanker 06/19/26 05:17 PM ET
I agree with this assessment. If a 4 star player is
vthogon 06/19/26 12:57 PM ET
High School Recruiting Rankings are meant to be a projection.
Flanker 06/19/26 05:23 PM ET