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This is a bit like deciding you don't want to use a couple

ingredients in a dish you're making because you don't like them as stand alone ingredients... You put a lot of work into this and it is really quite interesting to look at! I'm not sure the point you are trying to make is one that should be thought about too much. At the end of the day you need a roster full of 4* and 5* kids to compete at a high level. You stand a much better chance at hitting on those kids than you do a roster full of 3* kids. Also, remember, high school recruiting is a bit challenging. You are predicting how well a kid will do at the next level based on physical metrics and the good old fashioned "eye test". Anyone can miss something along the way there. Lastly, there are a ton of variables once these kids leave high school... Do they stay healthy? How committed are they going to be to the S&C program? How well does the scheme they are part of fit their skill set, and if it doesn't, are they going to get the development they need? How well will these kids mesh with the coaching staff and teammates? That will impact development as well. There are more, but my point is this - take any one of the "overrated" kids and dig a little. I wonder if you'll find some variables that might indicate circumstances led to what happened more than the fact that they were overrated. For example - I would argue that Michael Holmes was grossly underrated coming out of HHS. He happened to be running behind one of the worst, if not the worst, run blocking lines in the history of VT football. Additionally, his career was cut short because of some VT "politics" (I'll leave it at that). That kid was an absolute stud who didn't have the opportunity to develop and would have likely fallen into the "overrated" category on your list. Again, I appreciate the work you put in here. It was quite the dig and a very interesting read, ,so don't hear me saying what you posted isn't helpful. I just thought I'd offer some perspective from my vantage point.
Posted: 06/19/2026 at 04:14 PM ET
(In response to this post by Flanker)

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Flanker 06/19/26 10:54 AM ET
I give you credit for using your VT statistics degree for us.
VaTechie 06/19/26 08:30 PM ET
I take issue with page 71, paragraph 5, sentence 3.**
Hate2SeeItEnd Hokie 06/19/26 06:54 PM ET
Wow I think you defended your thesis well. I will try to consolidate all
uber hokie 06/19/26 06:36 PM ET
Let's talk about these talented players in five years.
Flanker 06/20/26 06:31 AM ET
I gave this a like because it was…
VPI63 06/19/26 06:24 PM ET
You can click on the link at the bottom to see the previous year's analysis
Flanker 06/20/26 06:33 AM ET
hmmmmmm... so, yer sayin' thar's a, chance?
bourbonstreet 06/19/26 06:21 PM ET
I put the percentages below for the nine year period
Flanker 06/20/26 06:37 AM ET
Agree with you or not, I have to admire the amount of work you put in**
HokieNL 06/19/26 02:32 PM ET
Credibiltiy check: You said VT has better contributors than Ohio State. **
Techsupport 06/19/26 02:00 PM ET
FWIW, the entire notion that HS recruiting is a revenue stream...
Beerman 06/19/26 01:10 PM ET
You seem to be an expert in recruiting
Hardcore_Hokie 06/19/26 12:31 PM ET
Nobody can accurately predict with certainty the success of the recruits
Flanker 06/19/26 01:06 PM ET
I guess I don’t understand how this suggests Star ratings
Pride_and_Joy 06/19/26 11:26 AM ET
^^^This right here^^^ Hammer meets nail! @Flanker lots of great
U2Hokie 06/20/26 03:47 PM ET
Here’s a quick synopsis of the estimating small proportions
Pride_and_Joy 06/20/26 05:35 PM ET
P&J only looked at ONE year instead of all NINE years
Flanker 06/20/26 04:57 PM ET
@Flanker I'd like to see your contribution metric for 3 and 4 stars
U2Hokie 06/20/26 08:57 PM ET
Here you go
Flanker 06/21/26 10:09 AM ET
TY - Have a great Fathers day if appropriate!
U2Hokie 06/21/26 10:50 AM ET
My rebuttal
Flanker 06/21/26 11:17 AM ET
OK - keep on chuggin those numbers out as a historian/auditor 5 yrs later -
U2Hokie 06/21/26 04:37 PM ET
I'm doing one more year so I'll have TEN years of data.
Flanker 06/21/26 06:49 PM ET
10-4 TY - The Athletic reranked with the benefit of history and only 11
U2Hokie 06/21/26 07:05 PM ET
The fact is.......
2hhoop3 06/21/26 07:22 PM ET
Here is a great article too**
U2Hokie 06/20/26 03:48 PM ET
Interesting but I object to some of their methods and conclusions
Flanker 06/21/26 11:24 AM ET
Let me explain
Flanker 06/19/26 11:46 AM ET
If attrition rates include transfer portal I’m surprised it’s not higher
uber hokie 06/19/26 06:28 PM ET
This is a bit like deciding you don't want to use a couple
BuffaloTraceHokie 06/19/26 04:14 PM ET
Need a bunch of 4s for sure
crazylane 06/19/26 10:37 PM ET
Too many four stars are overrated
Flanker 06/20/26 08:48 AM ET
If you're not getting you're share of 4 stars(double digits maybe)
crazylane 06/20/26 04:40 PM ET
This analysis says dont worry - 3's are just as good if not better than 4's
U2Hokie 06/22/26 07:16 AM ET
Good analogy
Flanker 06/19/26 05:13 PM ET
I appreciate the response. And I won't go into it here, but...
BuffaloTraceHokie 06/24/26 09:49 AM ET
What do you mean by attrition rate? **
Pride_and_Joy 06/19/26 12:48 PM ET
All that means is that base rates of success are
Pride_and_Joy 06/19/26 04:24 PM ET
The rankings are certainly unreliable
Flanker 06/20/26 06:54 AM ET
I don’t know anyone who thinks the predictive validity
Pride_and_Joy 06/20/26 09:01 AM ET
It sounds like we might agree that the rankings are unreliable
Flanker 06/20/26 09:15 AM ET
You just plucked an arbitrary number out of thin air.
Pride_and_Joy 06/20/26 10:00 AM ET
So you're happy with 50% accuracy?
Flanker 06/20/26 10:43 AM ET
Also the NFL Draft is BS, the NBA Draft is BS, Stock Market is BS.
Hardcore_Hokie 06/20/26 04:21 PM ET
The percentage you set.....
2hhoop3 06/20/26 09:43 AM ET
I hope we agree that .300 is really bad for predictions.
Flanker 06/20/26 10:56 AM ET
Everyone should do.....
2hhoop3 06/20/26 11:16 AM ET
I conducted an AUDIT and the recruiting service algorithms FAILED.
Flanker 06/20/26 05:13 PM ET
You can see yourself ......
2hhoop3 06/20/26 06:00 PM ET
Sorry about that. I meant recruits that don't contribute.
Flanker 06/19/26 12:55 PM ET
I'll save you some time. You don't need to look at any other year.
UEMcGill 06/19/26 11:02 AM ET
I'm doing one more year. I'll just find other ways to waste time.
Flanker 06/19/26 01:08 PM ET
I sometimes wonder if the schools they select is another variable.
TekkNerd 06/19/26 11:19 AM ET
Picking the school with the best scheme and coaches is important.
Flanker 06/19/26 05:17 PM ET
I agree with this assessment. If a 4 star player is
vthogon 06/19/26 12:57 PM ET
High School Recruiting Rankings are meant to be a projection.
Flanker 06/19/26 05:23 PM ET