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Nov 21, 2024 at 01:59 PM ET
This team is less than the sum of its parts.
And that's on MY. Regardless of portal/NIL issues. Going in to this season, I wondered how Young would react to having a different kind of roster. One that was younger, more athletic, and filled with specialists, rather than generalists. One where the majority of the team would have little to no experience playing in his system. And the answer is... he is going to run his system, come hell or high water. Even though it may not fit the skill set of the players he has now. We have multiple players who would thrive in transition, but are instead being shoehorned into the same slow, halfcourt-oriented, perimeter-based 'actions' offense that Young has employed his entire career. When teams pressure that system, even with a roster that is more athletic and more capable of going over the top of a press, has Young changed his philosophy one iota? Nope. His strategy to 'break' a press is to break it only to cross halfcourt. He will then instruct his players to run the normal set offense, only with less time remaining on the shot clock. When teams extend their defense and take away the wide open 3's that Young's offense is designed to produce, does he respond by having guys emphasize dribble penetration and paint touches, to get that defense to back off? Nope. The answer is just 'we have to run our actions better'. On defense, Young's stubborn refusal to employ anything other than his basic man D is baffling. It was very instructive during last night's broadcast to hear Mack McCarthy detail all of the different defensive looks that J'Ville was throwing at VT, and there is no doubt that is what turned the game around at the beginning of the second half. Yet on VT's side, as Jacksonville was absolutely shredding our D, there were no adjustments. Just shuffling different players in and out, and asking them to play the existing D scheme better. We are constantly told, on this board, that it is pointless to spend practice time on different defenses, or to switch from the one you normally run. I think coach Mincy would disagree, as would last night's scoreboard. None of the problems we are seeing on the offensive and defensive ends of the floor are new. They are just being exposed more now, because Young has neither the typical roster he normally assembles, or the experience level he prefers. Yes, he was dealt a tough hand on both those fronts, due to VT's foolhardy decision to shower cash on an underperforming football program. But this year is not an outlier for Young, it's a somewhat predictable result after years of seeing these trends build. At this point, I see no indication that Young is willing to change his approach, even given the different type of talent he now has to work with, or the more transitory environment of college rosters that make it more difficult for 'system coaches' to succeed. He can't change the players he has. He can't change the portal or NIL. And he won't change his tactics. I'm not sure how all of those added together mean anything other than a cratering of the VT mens hoops program back to early 1990's levels.

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ombandit
Parts is Parts…
Link: Classic
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FlossEmVT
An All-Time favorite!
jagerhokie jagerhokie
We unfortunately don’t have the talent this year …nothing ..coaching or new
Schemes will change the results….we are extremely limited….I just hope coach Young makes it through the season healthy 🙏
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ancient alien 2018
Good Grief!! Talent is only lacking at PG,
and a lot of that is not lack of talent but inexperience by young players. VT has the youngest squad in the ACC, one of the youngest in Div1 and overall, lacks from again, inexperience. This crappola about lack of talent is the drivel from people who have little clue how to evaluate basketball talent.
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RiverVT
Its up to MY to sell his program to get the NIL $$
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GreenvilleVT
We sold out the non football programs
I wouldn’t get too worked up by a lack of success. You get what you pay for, except with our football team. Any success we have away from football is a bonus. But I wouldn’t lose any sleep I over losing in these other sports. It’s what the admin decided to do.
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Pride_and_Joy
So Jacksonville has a larger NIL budget than VT?
That loss is a complete embarrassment and people can whine all they want about NIL — we’re an ACC team that just got beat by a team that hadn’t beaten a P4 opponent in 14 years.
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GreenvilleVT
Not at all. But one game doesn’t have anything to
Do with nil. If it did Notre dame would have fired their whole nil staff after their football loss this year.
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Pride_and_Joy
I have a strange feeling this won’t be a one-game
phenomenon with VT. It takes more than money to win. It requires competent leadership. If we can’t beat Jville, why should people have confidence to invest more?
TomTurkey TomTurkey
Drake beat Miami by 11
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Pride_and_Joy
I see where you're going with this...
You think we should hire the Drake coach. I like your thinking.
TomTurkey TomTurkey
Not really - no points awarded
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Pride_and_Joy
Maybe the Jacksonville coach then?
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ancient alien 2018
It must be very depressing posting from Grandma's basement. Your posts fall
between NATT and Troll.
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Pride_and_Joy
You don’t think the question I posed is fair or reasonable?
Why not engage in the dialogue?
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TDVick
Yes. Please tell me HOW THE "F" WB can't rustle up $4 million out of the
$130 million to put a decent MBB team together. What is this idiot thinking? I wonder what might be important to spend money on? What on earth is this guy doing? I hate posting this, but I hate having to look at this even more. What am I missing here? Fire away. What is the revenue of VT athletics? Among the public schools, based on the data provided, VT is the 7th best for overall athletic department balance sheet. For 2022-2023, VT was $12.5m in the black ($129.5m revenue vs $116.9m expenses). Above VT are Florida, Nebraska, Clemson, Georgia, Texas, Texas A&M.Sep 4, 2024
Chris Coleman Chris Coleman
NIL money doesn't come out of school revenue.
It is donated to the collective by fans and big donors.
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RJHokie
See my post response to HokieSA below.
The Hokie Club now has a Keep Jumping Fund for which donations can be made/directed to NIL. It’s noted in the 2025 Investment Guide that was recently mailed.
Chris Coleman Chris Coleman
Yeah, I got that email yesterday saying that I'd get a letter soon.
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HokieSA
But that's changing right, with the new Virginia law?
I thought the whole good takeaway from that law was schools could pay NIL direct out of athletic department $$..correct me if wrong.
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RJHokie
The Hokie Club now has a Keep Jumping Fund to which donations
can be made/directed for NIL.
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TDVick
OK. Then can we conclude that the VT NIL is way below where it is at a lot
of other peer ACC schools? I look at the MBB situation. I have a very strong belief that coaching is not the problem. Perhaps with recruiting, but MY is not some abusive guy. This really comes down to resources, which is not so much his responsibility - at least it shouldn't be. If this keeps up, you are going to have get the NIL and school administration aligned. There needs to be some accountability and people aren't marching to the same drum. Can we not get to the level of Creighton and Marquette? If not, why not? What is their magic? ** Edited by TDVick at 11/22/2024, 9:41:35 AM
Chris Coleman Chris Coleman
Creighton and Marquette don't have football teams.
Their overall NIL money is lower than Tech's probably, but they can drop 100% of it into men's basketball.
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TDVick
Doesn't that mean something is being squandered? If so, then on a pro-rata
basis, Creighton and Marquette raise a lot more money that is earmarked for hoops than VT? Moreover, a lot of CAA teams seem to have roster talent pretty close to or better than we do. Should that be happening? I don't think so. I'd say that VT talent roster this year might be at the bottom of the ACC. Jacksonville probably had players pretty close to our level, no? I'm confident that they will improve in the turnover category, but we shouldn't have this high of a hill to climb.
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804Hokie
as can VCU