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Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Wouldn't the ACC have had three last year with 5-11?
SMU was #10, Miami was #13. Even Clemson was #16 after winning the ACC championship. BYU and Iowa State were 17 and 18, so they were both just outside a 16 team play off.
The B10 would have only had 4, even with 16 teams (with Illinois at #20 being the next B10 team, hanging back with Syracuse, an ACC team with the same record but one further back in the poll).
** Edited by Truthahn at 7/9/2025, 5:41:11 PM
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
I think there is something to this.
You can't really call the winner of the SEC/B10 CFP the true national champion. It leaves open the possibility of the NCAA coming in with another CFP that really would have more of a petigree. If two CFPs existed, it would only be a matter of time before the NCAA one produced an arguably better champion, just like the old NIT and NCAA tournaments. After that, the P2 CFP would have to join the others. The NCAA should do this asap, devoting a bunch of NCAA BB tournament money to make it good.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
I don't think the B10 really wanted Oregon and UW at that time.
They only invited those two because it was clear they would join the ACC along with Stanford and Cal if they had no home in the B10.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Yep, they were too chicken to vote against the wishes of USC.
And they paid for it. I think they tried a few years earlier to get four teams from the B12. They did get Colorado and Utah somehow. Without the ACC to pull from the other direction, it did not really work to crush the B12.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Yep, the ACC and the PAC could have both survived as east and west.
I thought the ACC should have taken OK State and Baylor back then (both were in the top 10), and maybe WVU too, back when the B12 was at eight teams, and then encouraged the PAC to take several more, including maybe BYU or Houston. SMU was not on my radar back then, but they would also have been a good choice for either.
The point of this was to form two major conferences from the three, one east and west, roughly split at Texas.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
They always were on the Dark Side.
The B10 has always been eager to throw their weight around to keep the others down.
Football Board
1 y ago
Football Board
1 y ago
Football Board
1 y ago
Costa Rica is usually in the world cup. They are respectable.
We should all complain if we lose to Guatemala.
Football Board
1 y ago
This is not the USA world cup team.
It is players trying to make that squad next year. Fortunately, given how well he did in the shoot out, the goalie appears to be one that will make it.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
It only failed because the B10 was insincere.
The Alliance could easily have broken up the SEC's advantage, had the B10 been sincere wrt their interest in it.
A B12+ACC "Alliance" would be different in that neither is likely to be able to poach from each other as things currently are.
I'd like us to at least set up a scheduling arrangement between the two, and also the PAC. We need to protect each other from the P2 freezing us out, and that is at least a small step in that direction.
I'd also like to see us promote and participate in an NIT-style post season football tournament (with no changes to our involvement in the CFP). That could be structured to have minimal or no involvement from the P2, as they choose, and include all of the other conferences. That would be a big step, IMO, to mitigating power of the P2.
** Edited by Truthahn at 7/2/2025, 1:06:14 PM
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Yes. Texas St fits perfectly into the PAC, IMO.
Texas State is in the middle of the county, in the huge Austin/San Antonia TV market. It is about the same flying to CA as to VA from there. They are swapping neighbors Louisiana and ULM for Colorado State. It is about the same travel cost, IMO. Their vastly improved home PAC schedule will bring in the fans, too. Texas State fans must be thrilled.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Ya, those six, plus most of the other 27 would have to agree. Good luck.
I do like the idea of ramped up ACC vs B12 scheduling, however. Teams from both conferences should be encouraged to schedule home and homes with each other more. Both conferences have high quality teams, and in many cases are even close to each other.
Football Board
1 y ago
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Probably nothing more than to express gratitude for hosting him at games.
So, maybe the fourth is the Army or Navy AD?
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
I think it is the B10 that really wants the 4-4-whatever
In short, the B10 is afraid that they SEC will pull ahead of them, and push them down the list to clear 2nd place.
I think they realize that the SEC has almost no limit to how many teams they can get into the top 16. But the B10 is probably limited to 4 each year. They want it to freeze that they are equal to the SEC and twice as good as the rest.
It is a monopoly tactic designed to keep things the way they are forever (with B10 and SEC on top as equals getting most of the money).
The Lounge
1 y ago
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Can Sankey really dictate how the selection committee evaluates teams?
He could if it were a computer algorithm, but the selection committee has probably already been overvaluing B10 and SEC teams.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
If the 9th SEC game is worth $5M per team, why don't we do it?
It must be worth at least half that for 9 ACC games. I know we have a couple of schools that do not want to do this, but for them, let them count their ND game, or their SEC rivalry game toward their 9 instead.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
The point of them this time is to allow the 3v6 and 4v5 play-ins.
For the P2 that will be like owning two playoff games. That gives them three huge games each championship game weekend.
I can see why they want that.
The play-ins also mitigate the situation when #4 is not very good, like Alabama last year. They get an boost in the polls if they win their play-in, and if not, some other "boosted" P2 team gets in instead. No risk of an obviously weak team getting in.
That said, that whole scheme, with 4 AQs and play-ins, does sound like something I would post on this board late at night after drinking too much! LOL.
** Edited by Truthahn at 5/30/2025, 2:53:20 PM
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
The non-P2's should be the ones to have another tournament.
Have the NCAA run it, for teams that are not in the CFP.
Every non-CFP bowl winner who agrees to participate before their bowl game starts gets an invite. Guarantee that every game will at least be on the ACCN.
Heck, do it in this season. It would just be free money.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
I think the New Year's 6 was done to help set up the unequal CFP payouts.
When they justified the CFP payout percentages, it was based upon NY6 appearances, not CFP4 appearances. The ACC was only about one game short of the B10 in CFP4 appearances, and a few years earlier, we were even ahead of them. So, we would have gotten the same CFP $ percentage, if they used that.
I always thought it was weird that the NY6 was mixed in with the CFP so much. The other 4 bowl games were just other bowl games. albeit big ones. I think that was one of the reasons why they did the NY6, to set up the expanded playoffs to the P2's liking.
I think that is a big reason why they did not expand the playoffs to 6 or even 8 teams. With 12, it was very convenient to say, we are comparing apples to apples, the "new" top 12 to the "old" top 12. But the NY6 had contractual ties to the P2, plus appearances there were heavily skewed by brand perception, excluding G5 teams. The NY6 was designed to favor the P2.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Sorry, everyone. I contributed to that top 2 number last year.
I hate watched every FSU game. I am hoping to be more mature this year.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
If all that happens the ACC should have 1v4 and 2v3 play-in.
We might as well get another big game out of it, and use what we have to try to match the P2 as much as possible.
Just being in those games will give a reputation boost. We need that for as many teams as possible.
And if Clemson or FSU is the top team, we should force them to play-in. If they lose, they will likely get in anyway as an at large.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
I'd rather divide both the ACC and the B12 into four regional conferences
If you are going for four total CFP slots, that would justify it better than 3 pods from a single conference.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Brand bonuses might work out OK for the ACC, IMO.
Brand bonuses might work out OK for the ACC, especially if other conferences do it, too.
I can imagine the B10 adopting brand bonuses, with Michigan and Ohio State pushing for it. Why should they put up with even payouts when Clemson is not.
If they do, bringing in new schools will be much harder for the B10. New schools will have to come in at the bottom of the brand ladder, and stay there for a long probationary period, with no guarantee of getting near the top. The top of the ACC could pay better than that, and be a very comfortable position for the top 3 or so.
If we can hold it together long enough to begin negotiating a new TV deal, the ACC might finally catch up to its natural media value, and the ACC could close a lot of the distance between it and the P2.
** Edited by Truthahn at 5/23/2025, 11:08:59 AM
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Wow. 2026 is a really bad home schedule.
VMI, Old Dominion, James Madison
Virginia, Georgia Tech, NC State, Pitt
Maybe we are trying to maximize for home wins, GT aside?
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
They used to hate us like the white hot heat of a thousand burning couches.
Hopefully we can get that back. Hate is the best thing to build a rivalry upon.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
I'm surprised we haven't already had a real NFL minor league.
Unfortunately, the latest developments probably make that even harder to do. College football is quickly turning into real competition for an NFL minor league.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
It seems to me that the P2 wanting 4 teams in is so they can have play-ins.
Basically, it is like they "own" a couple of the first round games.
I would not be surprised to see the ACC make their "last team in" slot into a play in.
Heck, since they are all auto bids, make them all play ins. If we are just grabbing cash, go for it. If we get two autobids, then play 1-4 and 2-3 for the two slots.
** Edited by Truthahn at 5/19/2025, 1:34:06 PM
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Don't we already get slightly more money than the B12 from the playoffs?
BTW, I think the SEC gets slightly more than the B10, too. IIRC, they both get the same amount of money, but the B10 has two more teams.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
I think I actually agree with you.
While it could be mutually beneficial if done right, it would probably just be seen as more evidence that the ACC is bending over backwards to help ND.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
It is interesting that ND could get mixed in with the ACC playoff teams.
I wonder if ND anticipated that development, when they arranged to play Clemson every year?
It will give every ACC team a much bigger incentive to beat ND, making our ACC vs ND games much more interesting.
Maybe the ACC could turn that around have have ND somehow in an ACC play-in game when they are otherwise out of the playoffs? That is, whenever ND is out of the playoffs, if they are close enough, they could play-in with our #3. That game would be pretty huge for us. They would also have to be considered an ACC playoff team at that point, and share most of the money with us, or it would not make sense.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
I would not complain about South Florida, especially if we know FSU is out.
They could probably make it work with a half share for a decade.
They are really big, and AAU. Tampa is a huge Florida market.
They have a good rivalry with UCF to help with attendance.
They are building a new stadium. It is pretty small, but expandable, which ACC membership would warrant almost immediately.
** Edited by Truthahn at 5/15/2025, 3:42:44 PM
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Big Energy VT style: Didn't VT give a truckload of firewood to Bruce Smith?
Almost kept him out of the Indy bowl. No wonder people hated the NCAA.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
I love playing at ODU.
The home to away ratio makes it OK, IMO. What is it? 10-2?
Pregame on their quad was pretty cool. They had a good band there, near the main beer tent.
During the game, I stood behind the first level seats with a beer in my hand the whole game, with perfect sightlines. We crushed them, so no worries there. It was awesome, like being at the tailgate and the game at the same time!
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
I agree, but I would love to see the budgets for playing there vs home.
We should at least have a long-term home and home series with WVU.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
I've been to three games at Michigan. We should never play there.
One of those games was vs Maryland, before they were in the B10. That was rough on Maryland.
They say home field advantage is worth 3 points. Not there. It is much higher than that, especially for non-B10 teams, that are not used to it,
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
The ACC and B12 should be pairing up right now.
We should all be doing 1-1's with each other like crazy. I'd consider a handful of G5 teams for that, too, like the PAC teams, UNLV, Memphis, Tulane, USF, and maybe a few more.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
No single, away games at any "brand", please.
They love that BECAUSE they win 80% of the time. It is how they became brands.
Home and home or nothing.
IMO, we should play as many uneven arrangements as possible where the opponent comes to us, with the caveat that we only play FCS teams at home and only max one per year. I'm fine with any G5 team doing a 2-1 (3-2 if a bigger name, etc.) with us.
We should, however, always make sure we have at least one P4 team on our schedule each year, provided it is a home and home arrangement.
I don't want us travelling the globe to play far away P2s unless we get a home game, too. That is asking for a loss with no chance to make it up with home field advantage.
Also, make sure to arrange for very stiff cancelation penalties, because the bigger the brand the easier it is for them to just buy out the return leg if they think you might be getting good enough to beat them.
Conference Realignment Board
1 y ago
Yes, we need to announce a 12-year deal with WVU.
We pack each other's stadiums. We aren't in the same state, or the same conference. We are close by, the travel is easy. Our fan bases overlap geographically a lot. We have lots of history together. It could even occasionally be played in DC. All that is perfect.
We already have Miami and UVa within the ACC. We don't need another ACC rival.
Out of conference, Tennessee won't do it. Penn State won't do it. At least not as a peer to peer in a long-term deal.
But WVU might do it, and should also want it, IMO.