Question about 19 and a possible work around
Using B10 as an example, if a bill gets passed that limits teams to 19, why couldn't the Big 10 separate itself into 2 entities/conferences. Then, they could expand up to 38 (but realistically, they may expand to 2 - 12-team conferences). I am not sure if they would have the conferences divided evenly, geography, or just big powers in one. Then, as part of the bill allows, they could merge their TV conference monies between the 2 conferences. You could have OSU in one and Michigan in the other, but still have the cross-over Big Game. They could also put the big boys in one, get more money, but try to get the 2nd conference as much as they are making now. If that is the case, then the 2 conferences could promote/relegate as in soccer between the two conferences (this may allow the 2nd conference to make as much as they are making now in case one of the big boys get dropped down for a year or two).
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Stech
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over antitrust exemptions, congressional authority regarding state entities, and restrictions on athlete compensation.
Though I like that you are thinking out of the box, but like the new 5 to play 5 with the clock starting at “*19 years old”, it will be likely be legally challenged in the courts immediately.
*NCAA's five-year eligibility clock starts at the academic year following a student-athlete's 19th birthday or upon their initial full-time college enrollment, whichever occurs first.
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First, if the Act appears to limit revenue and opportunities of the Big10 and SEC, it isnt going anywhere. and backing them are the Congressoinal delegations of the south, southwest, Midwest, Mideast.
Second, The congress could inlcude another organization the NCAA (other than the NFL) for exemption to the antitrust. (already the NFL has a legal challenge for anti-trust,) the issue for them is streaming and pay per view. The NFL was given anti-trust exemption, if games were provided free over the nation's airways. Going Streaming is not in compiiant to the exemption. So, I think no one is touching that.
Third, Political capital, With all the other stuff going on Washington, expendiing huge political capital on getting this through, (and we dont know, that would solve the problem.
THe conferences are going to have to manage the business within the business. ITs the only way. and we all know the SEC and Big 10 are going to make rules for themselves for their growth. Hell with the others.
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Easier solution: Congress legislate that all conferences are round robin
Get rid of conference championship games. Start the tournament a week earlier. Play the national final on New Year's Day at the Rose Bowl.
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We don’t need Congress to be playing around with ncaa conferences. They should be running the country and not wasting time on how many teams can be in the SEC.
Have them out some rules around NIL and media money contracts and distributions. And sure, some protections to prevent another PAC apocalypse. But that’s all they should be putting into a federal law.
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The SEC and Big "Ten" superconferences is what got us into this mess.
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happens to be the straw that broke the camel's back.
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they deserve what they get Of course, that might be what they deserve anyway for kicking the can down the road for the last 40 years.
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go back to being "FSU and the 8 dwarfs (+ Miami and Notre Dame). Which would mean VT is back either in the wilderness or some version of a Metro-like Conference. Also, it probably means VT's conference is competing against the other G conferences for the 1 automatic bid.
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It's in Congress's hands now, not VT's
And as a VT alum and supporter, I'll take my chances with a mandated round robin model over the clusterf*** that we have now.
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represented on the committee (House or Senate) that would vote on whether the bill could move to the next stage and potentially onto the floor for a vote. Given that UVA and VT may be joined at the hip, VT can still lobby the VA politician on the committee(s) to ensure they don't end up voting for a bill that could harm VT's athletic future. Particularly if VT doesn't think UVA has enough influence or interest make sure VT remains in the ACC over Wake or even UMD.
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According to Ross Dellenger:
The expansion provision remains mostly unchanged:
- Power league membership is capped at 19 schools.
- Schools moving from one power league to another are required to operate as an independent for five years.
- Notre Dame/independents/G6 programs can freely join power leagues.
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I don't get the 5-year independence thing. Makes zero sense.
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Although a room with no door (since ND is not interested) seems of dubious value.
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That means initially, they wouldn't have $700 million in revenue, so teams could go straight in at the start.
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VT could take football to some new creations that is designed for ratings, but leave all the other sports in the ACC. Basically the Notre Dame model except with joining a football conference.
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There is no incentive. Why would they share the tournament credits and automatic bids with schools that are leaving?
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VT and others are still in the regional footprint of the ACC so there is no harm to keep us
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Unless the schools receive no payouts from the ACC and are ineligible for conference championships.
5 years without having access to March Madness, College World Series, Wrestling Championships, Track and Field, and others will destroy those sports at the schools for decades to come.
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a move, I believe it would have happened a long time ago.
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or 2026. The surviving entity will be subject to the restriction. The new spinoff conference may not.
The new spin off entity may need a new media deal. The existing media will most likely not allow such a spinoff.
Even if they are all possible, too much headache and ordeal and may also invite legal challenges.
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