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RandomAsianGuy OP
Jun 01, 2025 at 02:19 PM ET
They say the 5-11 model is gaining traction but watch the Big Ten.
It's easy to blame Sankey and the SEC (and rightfully so) for the AQ model but I think the real mastermind is the Big Ten. The SEC coaches probably think they may have better chance for CFP bids under the 5-11 model anyway. See what Ross Dellenger said: *** “Today, in response to the SEC considering the 5-plus-11 so seriously – which I think was a little bit unexpected from Big Ten territory – the Big Ten ADs did have a meeting earlier today, they had a call with commissioner Tony Petitti,” Dellenger said on The Paul Finebaum Show. “I think most of them feel that they would not support a 5-plus-11 format if the SEC remained at eight conference games because the Big Ten is at nine conference games. Basically, they might say the SEC gets one sort of pushover game, and if you’re in a model – 5-plus-11 with so many at-large [bids], 11 – every win and loss is even more important. And the Big Ten has now for weeks, if not months, been on the 4-4-2-2-1 format." *** The B10 will not approve the 5-11 model unless the SEC adopts the 9 game schedule. And the SEC won't adopt the 9 game schedule under the 5-11 unless the SOS factor becomes so significant that their 9-3 schools are safely in.

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Baltimore_Hokie
Boo hoo. The SEC and Big 10 created super conferences. Nobody forced them.
When you add Texas and Oklahoma to a conference that already includes 5-6 teams that think they should be going undefeated and winning a national championship every single season, someone has to lose those football games. The trade-off for upsetting the balance of power even more than it already was, and starting the domino effect that resulted in the death of the PAC-12, was more money from Disney. At least the Big 10 recognized that, in adding Oregon, Washington, and USC, some of the programs they were adding or had added would be loss-absorbers like UCLA, Rutgers, and Maryland for the money teams to beat up on, in a conference that already had plenty of loss-absorbers like Purdue, Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, etc. The SEC did not have this foresight - I guess they just assumed 4 and 5 loss SEC teams would be welcomed into the postseason with open arms. Those corn pone idiots already are getting twice the money as the ACC; they should not get to turn around and cry foul when their 4 and 5 loss teams are not included in the post-season championship format. It's beyond stupid. This entire sport has gotten beyond stupid. We've got two conferences demanding 4 automatic bids to the postseason where they could also theoretically get additional at-large spots, in a divisional structure where 90% of the participating teams don't even have realistic access to the postseason. ** Edited by Baltimore_Hokie at 6/2/2025, 10:49:38 AM
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RandomAsianGuy OP
Toward The B10 - SEC Super Conferences
The 4-4-2-2-1 is just an intermediate step. Watch the B10 guy predicting: In 5 years, the SEC and the B10 will be like NFC and AFC. The ACC will crumble The B12 will crumble ND will be forced to join
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Baltimore_Hokie
This, unfortunately, is all probably right.
It sucks, but it is what it is. I guess where I differ with some others on the boards is nobody should be going down without a fight, and making things as difficult as possible for the SEC and Big 10 getting what they want.
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Baltimore_Hokie
FYA, I meant to respond to a sub-post. I have no interest in getting into-
a 20 post argument with you about the finances of the ACC vs. the Big 12. So, just pretend this was in response to someone else.
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Stech
Yes SEC must go to 9 Conference games, but they want stronger SOS selection
criteria. They want more points for beating a top 5-10-15-20-25, than if team goes 11-1 and little or not wins over those type of tiers.
PadrosWindup PadrosWindup
SEC coaches don't want 9 conference games or the play in games that
The auto qualifier CFP would have allowed. Remember, 1/2 of the SEC is playing for 6 wins and a trip to the Music City Bowl. Coaches at the league's bottom half schools are just trying to keep their jobs with a winning record. Taking away a cash game vs a G5 and replacing with another game against a better SEC program looks harmful to their job security.
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Stech
Not what they said at SEC meetings at all, they are changing their thoughts
PadrosWindup PadrosWindup
Straight copy pasta from Dellinger story
"A majority of the SEC’s coaches did not support the multiple automatic-qualifier playoff structure that had gained momentum with a large group of their administrators. A ninth conference game? No thanks, plenty of coaches said. A season-ending, inner-conference play-in game? No way, some of them told ADs." Coaches don't want the risk of losing games
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Stech
I was in a hurry yesterday, I agree the 9 game for coaches is the hill to
climb now. However, I am hearing if they can strengthen the strength of schedule criteria in the selection, they could be on board. Ranked wins over overall schedule. This means IMHO having a published criteria before the season that can be tweaked, but it will give the selection an INTEGRITY SHOT, that it desperately needs. My thing is that rankings wins don't mean much until the season is done. So many times the teams at the beginning of the year are not the same teams at the end of the year. So create some drama throughout the season over the rankings. Get some big wins...and you will be ins! :-)
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Stech
Did watch Sankey and Finebaum say Coaches were for it & AD’s were wanting 4
Auto Bids? Also have seen the tweet from Dellenger that I have a picture of above, saying SEC Presidents are moving away from 4-4-2-2-1-3? There is a lot of negotiating and opinions out there and things are moving fast!! ** Edited by Stech at 6/1/2025, 6:52:21 PM
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Stech
Padro: The stance from SEC coaches — and the pushback from the public,
other conferences and even television partner ESPN on the 4-4-2-2-1 format — has, perhaps, altered the conversation around the future of football’s postseason as the three-day SEC spring meetings ended Thursday. Straight from Dellenger article too. B1G is saying that won’t go to 5+11, unless SEC goes to 9 Conference games.
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Stech
From latest Dellenger article
Such an intense argument from the commissioner speaks to the serious nature of the SEC’s consideration for the coach’s preference, the 5+11 format, instead of a model — 4-4-2-2-1 — that would significantly limit the selection committee's role. ** Edited by Stech at 6/1/2025, 7:06:27 PM
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Big12 guy
Chicken sh*ts they are.
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Big12 guy
The BIG could always go to 8 conference games next contract. So
could the B12 and ACC. We could all schedule a FCS or G5 team to give us all another expected win.
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Stech
Highly unlikely Fox will let them do that, if they did, they would cut th $
Possible yes, probable not probable at all.
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Big12 guy
I don't think the networks have as much power as you think. They
will play their 9 games until the contract ends, but if they are missing playoff spots because of their 9 game conference schedule, the most assuredly will review that.
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Stech
Networks have most of the power, because they have the $ don’t kid yourself
Follow the money!!!
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Baltimore_Hokie
Networks have clout, but they don't have the power you think they have-
at least not over certain things. Disney, FOX, CBS, and NBC don't have votes on the CFP format. They have no say on a lot of things. They cut big checks to put certain football games on TV. If the media conglomerates had as much power as you think they do, we wouldn't even have these conferences, or any of these problems. There would already be an NFL-style super league, with a full NFL-style playoff and College Super Bowl at the end.
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Stech
We will agree to disagree, networks have the #1 reason for realignment $$$!
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Baltimore_Hokie
There's a difference between conference realignment-
and the fight over the CFP format. They are interrelated issues, but they are not the same thing. The media conglomerates do drive conference realignment and expansion by cutting bigger media rights checks. That doesn't mean they have any actual power when it comes to the CFP format, or the governance of the sport writ large. You need to understand the difference between and the respective power dynamics of the lobbyist (where the money comes from) and the politician (who holds the actual power.) Even some politicians do not understand these dynamics and how to effectively work within them, which is how they end up labeled *****s for lobbyists. There's not a lot of difference between that, and the dynamics at play between the media conglomerates (where the money comes from) and the university presidents (who actually have the power and make the decisions.) The conference commissioners and, to a lesser extent, the ADs, are merely shepherds who herd the university presidents the best they can to get what they want done. Greg Sankey, while influential, has very little authority to do anything on his own.
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Stech
We agree to disagree, I am sure I have plenty of understanding about sports
and especially college sports. I own a business involved in it and talk to college coaches daily and weekly. I need to go right now to reach out to one of them. So I am currently done with our conversations.
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Baltimore_Hokie
Try not to trip over your big, important manhood on your way to the phone-
big guy.