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manassashoo manassashoo OP
Jul 17, 2024 at 10:03 AM ET
Schools in the best position for P2 membership in case the ACC falls apart
which in my opinion is still unlikely. Number 1) schools desired by both the BIG and SEC, the BIG to expand South and the SEC to protect its territory. This would allow them to get full shares by either conference from the jump. 2) cultural and geographic fit, AAU for the BIG and contagious states for the SEC which may include new states. 3) facilities and coaches that have demonstrated that their schools can compete in all sports, especially basketball which is the next most important revenue source for the BIG and basketball and baseball which is important to the SEC. 4) schools that have the capability to raise money to make up for half shares for a number of years if this is part of membership. As others have said on this board, I don't think football will be the driving force for schools (Notre Dame is the only school to meet all these criteria plus football and I do think they will stay independent). Just my thoughts on all the speculation I have heard on this board and You Tube.

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Stech
Curious, if the ACC falls apart, do you prefer the B1G or SEC and why?
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MrFantastic!
All depends
Whom goes with us in either league!
manassashoo manassashoo OP
I'm a big baseball fan, so I would prefer the SEC. But I hope the ACC
remains regardless of FSU and Clemson(not really sure they will go) leaving. I don't see UNC giving up their favored position in the ACC for just another member of the P2.
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Stech
UVA would absolutely dominate B1G ⚾️, in the SEC ⚾️ regular season brutal.
It’s much like Virginia Tech fans that want to play an SEC schedule for 🏈, be very very careful what you wish for! Playing them in the NCAA playoffs or tournament, is not the same as playing them all the time in the regular season. Consequently, I get the hold the ACC together and let’s just win more, especially in 🏈. SEC 🏈 is going to be brutal with Texas and Oklahoma in there now, sometimes emotions overrule brains.
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cvillehokie92
Football will not be driving force
This is not a shot at you manassas, several people have made this statement. I would love someone to explain how "not football driven" expansion will increase payouts. Football is the money maker. Maybe there are no football schools that will bring enough to expand a conference, but in what universe are networks going to pay the kind of money (say $70M for example) to an additional conference member team that only brings a basketball, baseball, soccer, etc. program? Those don't pay the bills. Other than March madness, the interest in college basketball is declining imo, so that can't be the money maker. The only way I see other non-revenue sports being a factor would be a total breakaway by the top 60 or so schools from the NCAA.
manassashoo manassashoo OP
Not only would you bring your schools viewership, but the entire SEC or
BIG viewership. Do you just watch VT games only or other ACC games? A UNC vs Alabama game would draw more viewers nationwide than a UNC vs FSU game for example. The SEC in particular has more than enough football brands right now. That's why I don't think football will be the main criteria and the other thing I said was a school would have to have the money to survive a half share for X number of years. Schools would have to decide if they can afford moving to the P2.
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cvillehokie92
UNC is a bad example for football
I don't really understand you point here. Alabama will get good rating regardless. Let me ask you this, would Alabama football at UNC or VT or UVA get better ratings?
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FLKEYSHOKIE
Agree, UNC is a poor example for football. It must be stated that UVA also
fits this same profile !
manassashoo manassashoo OP
What I'm trying to say is SEC brands vs any new member would get better
ratings and the new members wouldn't really have to bring in new viewers.
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cvillehokie92
I disagree again
UNC can't fill their own stadium, they probably wouldn't watch their team get slaughtered by Alabama. Alabama would have as many fans at UNC as the home team. VT has a very passionate and loyal fan base who would bring more eyeballs from TV sets than UNC for a football game, that is just being realistic and looking at past ratings. To add, can you imagine the scene at VT for a home game against Alabama compared to UNC? I don't know about you but I like watching games where the crowd is involved, which is a major problem with ACC football now imo. ** Edited by cvillehokie92 at 7/17/2024, 4:47:58 PM
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The_VT_Rock
One thing is not to alienate
I believe that is the balance that the SEC/B10 are trying to balance. I believe both wouldn't mind staying put, however they know if they try to separate from everyone else, they risk losing a bulk of VT fans (plus other school's fans that have decent/big football fan followings) who will just not watch SEC/B10 games and watch whatever VT/other schools' games are on and that's it (or stop watching at all).If VT/other schools' fans are in the SEC/B10, they have more interest to watch that conference games, especially if they are trying to earn a spot in the conf champ game/play-off spot. I think that is the key the media companies/B10/SEC are trying to decide - unless they say screw it and start kicking teams out of the conference and want just like 16 teams. They may lose money overall, but could possibly increase the per-payout (however, they may alienate enough people to watch the excitement die some for their football while the other schools could ban together and have 64 teams involved to cover those fan bases).
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Baltimore_Hokie
Color me shocked that someone with the word "hoo" in their SN-
doesn't think football is a (THE) driving force behind conference realignment. That's cute.
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FLKEYSHOKIE
Football is a sport that has not "caught on or recognized" at UVA as of
yet. It may never !