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vtka93 OP
Jul 04, 2022 at 03:07 PM ET
Should Big 12 and Acc merge and make the first "super" conference?
What if the 14 big 12 teams and 12-14 of the acc teams just joined together and started being proactive? Pac 10 has little value right now so why would Big 12 or ACC add any of them? if at the very least the current big 12(14) added UNC, duke, syracuse, Uva, VT, GT, Clemson, FSU, miami, nc state, BC and pitt , it could/would be a decent football conference. if somehow miami/fsu (even VT) could get back to prominence the value goes up. Not opposed to going to 28 If ND will join (i am assuming they will not) and louisville. it would probably be the prominent basketball conference there is and that could be used as selling point early on for tv contracts. then try and get in with some streaming services that are looking to get into sports (apple, Amazon maybe) and be proactive. sports are moving to streaming and there is some uncertainty with the future of ESPN. its a bit of gamble but nothing ventured nothing gained. right now if someone other than clemson joins the SEC they realistically are behind bama, uga, lsu, florida, auburn, texas, oklahoma, perhaps even tennessee and ole miss. joining the big 10 puts you behind ohio state, michigan, penn state, wisconsin, probably USC and iowa. also ND of they join. if playoffs expand to 12 teams, then four of those listed teams will not make it. and there s a good shot those not listed never do. If done early enough maybe the new big12/ACC can squeeze an automatic and maybe at large bid to expanded playoffs before te NCAA dies. it certainly is a risk.......

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VaTechHokiesACC VaTechHokiesACC
It would be super but not elite
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EDGEMAN
We have more than enough deadwood now, and you propose to...
...take the B12 deadwood too? It might generate a fair amount of total revenue, but each school's payout will be fairly small.
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vtka93 OP
yeah
That's the biggest porbelm I see with it being so large, but then again our payout maybe become smaller if we don't do anything. if we aren'tl invited to the big 10 or SEC we are doomed.no way another conference is formed and makes the money the big 10 and sec will make.
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EDGEMAN
That should generate about $10M per school per year
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vtka93 OP
no way
the tv contract will only be for 240 million. Isn't CBS looking for a conference ot telveise now?
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jesuisvtguy
Given the current situation I think maybe you create a super-conference...
Doing nothing is probably the worst thing any team or conference can do, unless you are assured invitation to Big10 or SEC. It's only a matter of time until another valued property is plucked, and you must protect what's left. The PAC, Big12 and ACC collectively still have A TON of value when combined... but are too weak on their own. Remember, the SEC and Big10 have tons of mediocre programs and are geographically concentrated, but they are leveraging their TV deals to pluck the highest valued remaining teams. Form a true alliance to stop any further poaching, and let's see how USC and UCLA are doing in 10 years as they'd be very isolated playing mid-west. The following makes assumptions the super conference below could stick together (as well as get out of the ACC GOR - which I guess is doable since enough teams agree to abandon the ACC). The sum of the whole below is better than the parts. I debatably included the NorthEast trio of PITT, BC, and SYR... but I think that's okay if you require them to eat up their inventory playing each other, as well as possibly creating an unequal rev-share that is based on TV ratings. VT - WVU, MIAMI, UVA WVU - VT, PITT, LOU SYR - BC, PITT, LOU LOU - WVU, SYR, BC BC - SYR, PITT, LOU PITT - SYR, BC, WVU UVA - UNC, VT, CLM UNC - DUKE, NCSU, UVA DUKE - GT, UNC, NCSU NCSU - DUKE, UNC, CLE MIA - VT, FSU, BC CLE - NCSU, FSU, UVA FSU - MIA, CLE, GT GT - CLEM, DUKE, FSU AZ - ASU, COL, UTAH ASU - COL, UTAH, AZ COL - UTAH, AZ, ASU UTAH - AZ, ASU, COL ORE - WASH, CAL, STAN WASH - CAL, STAN, ORE STAN - WASH, CAL, ORE Then choose some of the higher valued big 12 teams. Regarding scheduling, since you don't have conferences but instead a league, just go back to the old days where each team has FREEDOM to schedule outside of their required rivals, and somehow put in rules that encourage marketable matchups. This means ND could be back in the mix as each team is "independent" regarding scheduling, so they can play Stanford, Navy and whoever else they want. This league can also adjust the transfer portal rules or possibly NIL within themselves.
Maroon Baboon Maroon Baboon
I'm more interested in the Pac12 schools than the BigXII, but we'll see
who is leftover. Also, I'd merge with all three conferences and form three tiers with relegation and promotion. The top tier may include: Clemson, FSU, Washington, Oklahoma State, Oregon, Iowa State, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, etc. at any given year. Would be a darn good lineup. Not loaded with blue bloods, but no Vandy and Rutgers either.
Old Line Hokie Old Line Hokie
I think it would be better if the "elite" football programs would leave...
the B1G and SEC and form their own athletics association since they are so full of themselves. Here is my Super Ego Conference: UCLA, USC, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Clemson, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State. The Power 5 undesirables can add a few G-5 schools to get back to 12 or 14. There will be 1 super ego conference along with the P-5 (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC).
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jesuisvtguy
Sure, but it isn't realistic. None of those SEC or B10 teams are leaving.
Maybe in 10 or 20 years, but TV contracts are the glue that is holding teams together... and none of the teams you mentioned (except maybe FSU, Clemson or Notre Dame) are leaving their home.
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clemson81nc
sounds like more noise about b12 gobbling up some pac12
scraps than anything between the big12 and acc.
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vtka93 OP
maybe but...
does that help them? or is it another band aid to survive a little longer.
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NokieHokie
May be a "super conference" based on volume, but not quality...
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133743Hokie
Agree. ACC media deal was greater than the BigXIIs when they had Texas and
Oklahoma, so the gap would be even wider after those two leave. What's the benefit to the ACC if it's going to dilute their member payouts. Essentially they don't add enough relative value.
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vtka93 OP
big 12 tv deal
I admit it might be hard to do with 28. isn't part of the reason the Big 12 deal is bad is because of the longhorn network? There really was not a big 12 network because of the longhorn one. isn't that ultimately what killed off the previous big 12? the longhorn network was a huge disadvantage for the big 12 and that is no longer an issue. I am not saying this third conference is going to make as much as the big 1o and sec from the get go, but there is probably more potential in the future. It may never close the gap, but could better than life in the SEC and certainly better than life without the ACC or SEC or Big 10, Also, i believe the current 10 members of the big 12 get 200 million to split, while the current ACC has 240 split between 14?
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NokieHokie
Short of ND joining for football, the ACC is dead man conferencing IMO...
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vtka93 OP
and that probably won't happen
so either something is done proactively to try and survive or they go ahead and fold and let teams go to the highest bidding conference. at least half of the ACC will get screwed in this scenario. ** Edited by vtka93 at 7/4/2022, 4:09:29 PM
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NokieHokie
So be it...
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clemson81nc
I get this weird feeling they know ND is joining BIG
and the news is being held up because they KNOW the dam fully breaks when its released.
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133743Hokie
How does the dam break?