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alot of hindsight here however. a couple of points

1. Culturally ACC never really like for expansion, they liked the original seven/eight. South Carolina was always the rougue and when they left, no one cared. They were ok with GT, culturally like the ACC, then FSU was a no brainer to get into florida. 2. The expansion with Miami and VT and finally BC. really shacked the country club. (they wanted Miami to buy the football brand (and Miami demanded cuse and BC). Well ACC didnt do a good job on counting the votes especially UVA. well and guess what VT came in first, before it was allowed to take miami and finally BC. And ACC culture the tobacco road element spent alot of time reworking the conference and divisions to preserve as much they can the old ACC and the new. (atlantic and coastal)... (they didn't see VT early dominating the Coastal and FSU and Clemson fading .. it was planed every year Miami and FSU. all fat and happy. 3. clemson and FSU was starting to rattle alot about increasing TV share. and Swofford worked it. Guess what simply the objective numbers with ESPN showed ACC didnt have the football ratings or programs to 1) raise rights and generate an ACC network. So Swofford worked it and FSU, particularly demanded a network. ESPN said the conference needed more TV markets and brands. Therefore, they picked Cuse and Pitt alone with the drug deal with ND. Also, ACC had to find a way to ensure the branded teams dont leave. Therefore, the idea was the iron clad GOR. At the team ACC rights were great. FSU got what it wanted so bad a network. and they signed the GOR. However, with that money most of the conference didn't re-invest the money into football, but other supports and supplement operational expenses. (that's the president's directive). Therefore acc football flatlined while product got worse. (VT did it too, with weaver management, Beamer and Stegar retirement and boom. all the football brands flatlined .. except Clemson... It not public or private I would say, it was more these schools are really academic schools, and they embrace a balance. They inherently didnt want a 'football factory'// however, they liked the publicity for being in the national stage. However, by locking in the GOR, this forced the members to stay as a conference until 2035. Big 10 takes a different model than the SEC, their philosophy is they can have a great athletic dept and be a great academic institution.. its not one or the others. However, they are big land grant universities who have large enrollments that can cover the costs. (except Northwestern)... VT is the big 10 model, probably NC state and clemson...
Posted: 07/30/2023 at 02:07 PM ET
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How did the ACC get such a bad disparity of revenue...
HokieJack 07/30/23 11:29 AM ET
Bad football. Very bad football. That is all.**
vatechcowpatty 07/30/23 09:36 PM ET
Swofford**
LonghornHokie 07/30/23 09:03 PM ET
Thought we would get ND to join full 🏈, Miami sank, but we still listen to
Stech 07/30/23 07:28 PM ET
The ND deal was also a defensive move to keep them from joining the Big Ten
Maroon Baboon 07/30/23 08:23 PM ET
Don't know about everyone else but I knew ND would never join fully (COVID
VPI_1998 07/30/23 07:42 PM ET
The Big12 will take Cuse and Louisville.
Big12 guy 07/30/23 08:00 PM ET
The ACCN in NY alone makes Syracuse worth it.
Maroon Baboon 07/30/23 08:17 PM ET
I agree with that, but wake has to make that decision. They will not
Big12 guy 07/30/23 09:01 PM ET
The miracle is the ACC is one of the final 5 left standing
Vippie1 07/30/23 05:23 PM ET
Is there 5 left standing? Looks more like 2 to me! Why do we still refer
wwhokie1 07/30/23 08:25 PM ET
I think the optics of football games not played at FSU, VT, Clemson,and
HboroughHokie 07/30/23 03:30 PM ET
Look at the winningest college football programs
Hokie1992 07/30/23 03:09 PM ET
Notre Dame is not even a psuedo ACC program when it comes to football. **
wwhokie1 07/30/23 08:27 PM ET
95% is #1. If they had done a shorter tv deal then
Colonel Jessup 07/30/23 02:27 PM ET
alot of hindsight here however. a couple of points
Mercury 07/30/23 02:07 PM ET
Imagine if they took Penn State with FSU. **
SpeakToDamien 07/30/23 02:31 PM ET
Imagine if the ACC had a commissioner like Roy Kramer, SEC commissioner who
VTHokie2000 07/31/23 02:56 AM ET
I think the answer is partly what others said below and partly because of
HokieAl 07/30/23 01:49 PM ET
The ACC 's biggest issue is
ren_hoek 07/30/23 01:43 PM ET
And before that VT was the only consistently contending program. The ACC
wwhokie1 07/30/23 08:30 PM ET
It wasn't quite the same time, it helped VT but not the ACC at the time
Synaesthesia 07/30/23 02:51 PM ET
Huh? Could you elaborate on that "money will follow"?**
33laszlo99 07/30/23 02:39 PM ET
Simple Exactly case closed.
Mercury 07/30/23 02:19 PM ET
This is the key point that I think people here disagree on
HokieAl 07/30/23 02:47 PM ET
my point is the ACC schools have to DIG deeper within their resources
Mercury 07/30/23 06:05 PM ET
Bad timing, bad luck.......
2hhoop3 07/30/23 01:14 PM ET
Add on the bad deal that Tech signed with...
Old Line Hokie 07/30/23 01:51 PM ET
actually that was Whit biggest mistake
Mercury 07/30/23 06:10 PM ET
Every day I am utterly baffled by UNC - they could be top 10-15 program
VPI_1998 07/30/23 01:55 PM ET
It’s their fans
OrlandoHokie 07/30/23 06:54 PM ET
Yep. They have the same "potential" as Ohio State, FSU, Penn State...**
Old Line Hokie 07/30/23 04:20 PM ET
Bad decisions and (for at least 5 years running now) bad football have
VPI_1998 07/30/23 01:41 PM ET
It is still a lot of money. Way better than big 12 or pac 12.
SpeakToDamien 07/30/23 01:09 PM ET
We have very few teams that generate good to great viewership numbers.
hokieZ71 07/30/23 12:52 PM ET
I think it's all 3 & that the football programs were just not that good of
NokieHokie 07/30/23 12:46 PM ET
Easy. Numbers. Big Ten has huge alumni bases and everyone living
reestuart 07/30/23 11:42 AM ET
we do too.
Mercury 07/30/23 06:11 PM ET
Nothing compared to a Big Ten school. **
reestuart 07/30/23 06:45 PM ET
Let's not forget that the big10 sucks in both football and basketball
ren_hoek 07/30/23 01:35 PM ET
They suck? LOL. **
reestuart 07/30/23 03:13 PM ET
Correct - and men's basketball is even worse - no title since 2000!
VPI_1998 07/30/23 01:50 PM ET
I.e. tiny private schools with few fans who travel to games.**
EDGEMAN 07/30/23 12:13 PM ET