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alot of hindsight here however. a couple of points
1. Culturally ACC never really like for expansion, they liked the original seven/eight. South Carolina was always the rougue and when they left, no one cared. They were ok with GT, culturally like the ACC, then FSU was a no brainer to get into florida.
2. The expansion with Miami and VT and finally BC. really shacked the country club. (they wanted Miami to buy the football brand (and Miami demanded cuse and BC). Well ACC didnt do a good job on counting the votes especially UVA. well and guess what VT came in first, before it was allowed to take miami and finally BC. And ACC culture the tobacco road element spent alot of time reworking the conference and divisions to preserve as much they can the old ACC and the new. (atlantic and coastal)... (they didn't see VT early dominating the Coastal and FSU and Clemson fading .. it was planed every year Miami and FSU. all fat and happy.
3. clemson and FSU was starting to rattle alot about increasing TV share. and Swofford worked it. Guess what simply the objective numbers with ESPN showed ACC didnt have the football ratings or programs to 1) raise rights and generate an ACC network. So Swofford worked it and FSU, particularly demanded a network. ESPN said the conference needed more TV markets and brands. Therefore, they picked Cuse and Pitt alone with the drug deal with ND. Also, ACC had to find a way to ensure the branded teams dont leave. Therefore, the idea was the iron clad GOR. At the team ACC rights were great. FSU got what it wanted so bad a network. and they signed the GOR.
However, with that money most of the conference didn't re-invest the money into football, but other supports and supplement operational expenses. (that's the president's directive). Therefore acc football flatlined while product got worse. (VT did it too, with weaver management, Beamer and Stegar retirement and boom. all the football brands flatlined .. except Clemson...
It not public or private I would say, it was more these schools are really academic schools, and they embrace a balance. They inherently didnt want a 'football factory'// however, they liked the publicity for being in the national stage.
However, by locking in the GOR, this forced the members to stay as a conference until 2035.
Big 10 takes a different model than the SEC, their philosophy is they can have a great athletic dept and be a great academic institution.. its not one or the others. However, they are big land grant universities who have large enrollments that can cover the costs. (except Northwestern)... VT is the big 10 model, probably NC state and clemson...
Thread Replies (42)
How did the ACC get such a bad disparity of revenue...
-- HokieJack
Jul 30, 2023 at 11:29 AM ET
HokieJack
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07/30/23 11:29 AM ET
Bad football. Very bad football. That is all.**
-- vatechcowpatty
Jul 30, 2023 at 09:36 PM ET
vatechcowpatty
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07/30/23 09:36 PM ET
Thought we would get ND to join full 🏈, Miami sank, but we still listen to
-- Stech
Jul 30, 2023 at 07:28 PM ET
Stech
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07/30/23 07:28 PM ET
The ND deal was also a defensive move to keep them from joining the Big Ten
-- Maroon Baboon
Jul 30, 2023 at 08:23 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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07/30/23 08:23 PM ET
Don't know about everyone else but I knew ND would never join fully (COVID
-- VPI_1998
Jul 30, 2023 at 07:42 PM ET
VPI_1998
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07/30/23 07:42 PM ET
The Big12 will take Cuse and Louisville.
-- Big12 guy
Jul 30, 2023 at 08:00 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/30/23 08:00 PM ET
The ACCN in NY alone makes Syracuse worth it.
-- Maroon Baboon
Jul 30, 2023 at 08:17 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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07/30/23 08:17 PM ET
I agree with that, but wake has to make that decision. They will not
-- Big12 guy
Jul 30, 2023 at 09:01 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/30/23 09:01 PM ET
The miracle is the ACC is one of the final 5 left standing
-- Vippie1
Jul 30, 2023 at 05:23 PM ET
Vippie1
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07/30/23 05:23 PM ET
Is there 5 left standing? Looks more like 2 to me! Why do we still refer
-- wwhokie1
Jul 30, 2023 at 08:25 PM ET
wwhokie1
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07/30/23 08:25 PM ET
I think the optics of football games not played at FSU, VT, Clemson,and
-- HboroughHokie
Jul 30, 2023 at 03:30 PM ET
HboroughHokie
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07/30/23 03:30 PM ET
Look at the winningest college football programs
-- Hokie1992
Jul 30, 2023 at 03:09 PM ET
Hokie1992
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07/30/23 03:09 PM ET
Notre Dame is not even a psuedo ACC program when it comes to football. **
-- wwhokie1
Jul 30, 2023 at 08:27 PM ET
wwhokie1
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07/30/23 08:27 PM ET
95% is #1. If they had done a shorter tv deal then
-- Colonel Jessup
Jul 30, 2023 at 02:27 PM ET
Colonel Jessup
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07/30/23 02:27 PM ET
alot of hindsight here however. a couple of points
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-- Mercury
Jul 30, 2023 at 02:07 PM ET
Mercury
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07/30/23 02:07 PM ET
Imagine if they took Penn State with FSU. **
-- SpeakToDamien
Jul 30, 2023 at 02:31 PM ET
SpeakToDamien
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07/30/23 02:31 PM ET
Imagine if the ACC had a commissioner like Roy Kramer, SEC commissioner who
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 31, 2023 at 02:56 AM ET
VTHokie2000
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07/31/23 02:56 AM ET
I think the answer is partly what others said below and partly because of
-- HokieAl
Jul 30, 2023 at 01:49 PM ET
HokieAl
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07/30/23 01:49 PM ET
And before that VT was the only consistently contending program. The ACC
-- wwhokie1
Jul 30, 2023 at 08:30 PM ET
wwhokie1
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07/30/23 08:30 PM ET
It wasn't quite the same time, it helped VT but not the ACC at the time
-- Synaesthesia
Jul 30, 2023 at 02:51 PM ET
Synaesthesia
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07/30/23 02:51 PM ET
Huh? Could you elaborate on that "money will follow"?**
-- 33laszlo99
Jul 30, 2023 at 02:39 PM ET
33laszlo99
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07/30/23 02:39 PM ET
This is the key point that I think people here disagree on
-- HokieAl
Jul 30, 2023 at 02:47 PM ET
HokieAl
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07/30/23 02:47 PM ET
my point is the ACC schools have to DIG deeper within their resources
-- Mercury
Jul 30, 2023 at 06:05 PM ET
Mercury
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07/30/23 06:05 PM ET
Add on the bad deal that Tech signed with...
-- Old Line Hokie
Jul 30, 2023 at 01:51 PM ET
Old Line Hokie
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07/30/23 01:51 PM ET
actually that was Whit biggest mistake
-- Mercury
Jul 30, 2023 at 06:10 PM ET
Mercury
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07/30/23 06:10 PM ET
Every day I am utterly baffled by UNC - they could be top 10-15 program
-- VPI_1998
Jul 30, 2023 at 01:55 PM ET
VPI_1998
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07/30/23 01:55 PM ET
Yep. They have the same "potential" as Ohio State, FSU, Penn State...**
-- Old Line Hokie
Jul 30, 2023 at 04:20 PM ET
Old Line Hokie
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07/30/23 04:20 PM ET
Bad decisions and (for at least 5 years running now) bad football have
-- VPI_1998
Jul 30, 2023 at 01:41 PM ET
VPI_1998
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07/30/23 01:41 PM ET
It is still a lot of money. Way better than big 12 or pac 12.
-- SpeakToDamien
Jul 30, 2023 at 01:09 PM ET
SpeakToDamien
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07/30/23 01:09 PM ET
We have very few teams that generate good to great viewership numbers.
-- hokieZ71
Jul 30, 2023 at 12:52 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/30/23 12:52 PM ET
I think it's all 3 & that the football programs were just not that good of
-- NokieHokie
Jul 30, 2023 at 12:46 PM ET
NokieHokie
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07/30/23 12:46 PM ET
Easy. Numbers. Big Ten has huge alumni bases and everyone living
-- reestuart
Jul 30, 2023 at 11:42 AM ET
reestuart
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07/30/23 11:42 AM ET
Nothing compared to a Big Ten school. **
-- reestuart
Jul 30, 2023 at 06:45 PM ET
reestuart
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07/30/23 06:45 PM ET
Let's not forget that the big10 sucks in both football and basketball
-- ren_hoek
Jul 30, 2023 at 01:35 PM ET
ren_hoek
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07/30/23 01:35 PM ET
Correct - and men's basketball is even worse - no title since 2000!
-- VPI_1998
Jul 30, 2023 at 01:50 PM ET
VPI_1998
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07/30/23 01:50 PM ET
I.e. tiny private schools with few fans who travel to games.**
-- EDGEMAN
Jul 30, 2023 at 12:13 PM ET
EDGEMAN
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07/30/23 12:13 PM ET