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VTHokie2000
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Assuming WVU became the 15th team, then limiting the protected games

to only 2 make not work because there should be enough members who will want to protect 3 games to kill the vote. Here is a list of those potential schools. Keep in mind the info is based on various sources that have indicated the school's opinion on what is or isn't a rivalry. If the ACC is going to go down this road, then it should treat each school's opinion with the same level of respect. Otherwise, you risk offending members and creating crack in a foundation that may already be fragile.

Clemson: FSU, GT, and NC State (Textile Bowl)
UNC: Duke, NC State, and UVA
Duke: UNC, Wake, and UVA
UVA: Duke, UNC, and VT
VT: UVA, Miami, and WVU Note: VT-L'ville could be a potential rivalry because most older VT fans remember how L'ville treated VT when both were a member of the Metro Conference.
WVU: Pitt, VT, and Syracuse (Ben Schwartzwalder Trophy) Note: WVU-UVA could a rivalry given that the UVA Pep Band made fun of WVU during the halftime show of the 2002 Continental Tire Bowl.
NC State: UNC, Wake, and Clemson
Wake: Duke, NC State, and UNC

Some else to consider is that a school may see this as an opportunity to rekindle a rivalry. For example, Miami may want to renew its rivalry with BC and Syracuse as well as keep its rivalry with FSU and maybe even VT. Even FSU and UVA have a secondary rivalry where the winner of the game receives the Jefferson-Eppes Trophy. BC and Clemson play for a trophy (O'Rourke–McFadden Trophy) and I believe both schools consider it to be a secondary rivalry. I guess it is possible that Clemson could say it would rather continue its "rivalry" with BC instead of its "rivalry" with FSU which really didn't develop until both schools had a Bowden for its HC. It is possible that GT may want to continue its rivalries with Clemson and VT which could become problematic for VT if it already has its 3 protected games. At some point something will have to give and every school may not end up with its Top 3 choices or even Top 2 choices. Then again, it has already been established that it isn't possible for 15 schools to have 3 protected games because the math doesn't work out in the end.
Link: UVA Pep Band Did What?
Posted: 02/11/2022 at 02:31 AM ET
(In response to this post by obguthr)

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ACC close to eliminating Divisions soon (LINK)**
Stech • 02/09/22 12:40 PM ET
They should also go to 9 conference games, but they won't.
Mr. Touchdown • 02/11/22 12:15 PM ET
The problem with a 9 conference game schedule is it limits a team's
VTHokie2000 • 02/12/22 06:46 AM ET
Re: They should also go to 9 conference games, but they won't.
daveinop • 02/11/22 01:18 PM ET
This means acc got the votes
Mercury • 02/10/22 08:06 AM ET
So who would be #15(16)?**
Millpoint • 02/10/22 08:45 AM ET
West Virginia and Navy, 1 for rivalries, the other for location, national
Stech • 02/12/22 01:53 AM ET
Espn will tell them
Sunsetunderground • 02/10/22 09:14 AM ET
Why would ESPN agree to up 14 member’s pay just to get
Colonel Jessup • 02/11/22 11:37 AM ET
Folks too tactical
Mercury • 02/13/22 07:21 AM ET
Not just WV
Sunsetunderground • 02/11/22 01:59 PM ET
Personally, I'd rather the ACC partner w NBC and along w ND broadcasts,
BAMRising • 02/11/22 09:31 AM ET
NBC is out of Major Sports now
Mercury • 02/11/22 09:56 AM ET
It won't be ND
TerryD • 02/10/22 12:30 PM ET
Longhorn network ? Wonder if the Irish would want one
Sunsetunderground • 02/10/22 01:02 PM ET
No
TerryD • 02/10/22 01:09 PM ET
Not to be argumentative
Sunsetunderground • 02/10/22 02:59 PM ET
Not to be argumentative
TerryD • 02/10/22 03:42 PM ET
Screenshot for future verification
obguthr • 02/10/22 07:31 PM ET
Thats my thinking as well
Mercury • 02/10/22 09:28 AM ET
AD Shane Lyons shot down any WVU to ACC speculation in December
Millpoint • 02/11/22 08:51 AM ET
I think any Big 12 team would gladly jump to the ACC now.
Truthahn • 02/13/22 09:45 PM ET
Come on// this is NOT for any average person discussion and debate
Mercury • 02/11/22 10:03 AM ET
One thing I've constantly heard from our media in Morgantown
Millpoint • 02/11/22 10:00 PM ET
VT's AD shot down any ACC talk in 2003 as well.
Victor Tango • 02/11/22 09:27 AM ET
Agree 100%
Millpoint • 02/11/22 10:20 AM ET
Exactly**
Mercury • 02/11/22 10:07 AM ET
I’ve heard Memphis and Boise St are on deck**
Millpoint • 02/10/22 09:04 PM ET
Hopefully the ACC won't screw this up. Go 3 permanent rivals, rotate others
Maroon Baboon • 02/09/22 07:19 PM ET
The pods are simply a scheduling tool for better rotation
Mercury • 02/11/22 08:32 AM ET
You realize you will have permanent inequitable schedules FOREVER
Vippie1 • 02/10/22 11:08 AM ET
No matter how you do it, there will be inequitable schedules**
wwhokie1 • 02/10/22 01:40 PM ET
Rivalries matter. And they matter more than equitable schedules.
Maroon Baboon • 02/10/22 01:39 PM ET
Exactly. This issue is just another reason why increasing the size
VTHokie2000 • 02/10/22 01:49 PM ET
The rivalries matter to the schools and their fans though
VTHokie2000 • 02/10/22 12:02 PM ET
Yes. ANNUAL rivalries are where it's at.
Maroon Baboon • 02/10/22 01:47 PM ET
If you feel ACC need 3 built in games every season
Vippie1 • 02/10/22 03:07 PM ET
No. How is adding two teams going to allow us to play more often?
Maroon Baboon • 02/10/22 03:18 PM ET
Even if the ACC added 1 team (i.e. WVU) and opted to go with 3 quads/pods
VTHokie2000 • 02/10/22 03:48 PM ET
Certainly adding teams would complicate matters.
Maroon Baboon • 02/10/22 04:32 PM ET
Yes, adding teams would complicate matters
VTHokie2000 • 02/10/22 04:47 PM ET
3 Permanent rivals seems to only work with an even amount of teams.
Maroon Baboon • 02/10/22 05:40 PM ET
FWIW I did something similar when the MAC had 13 football members
VTHokie2000 • 02/10/22 06:06 PM ET
14 is actually a good number
obguthr • 02/10/22 08:24 PM ET
Assuming WVU became the 15th team, then limiting the protected games ◄
VTHokie2000 • 02/11/22 02:31 AM ET
I'd be fine with just giving each individual school what it needs
Maroon Baboon • 02/11/22 03:15 PM ET
A problem with customizing the number of protected games for each school
VTHokie2000 • 02/12/22 06:13 AM ET
As long as no team has more than 3 and we play 5 or more additional ACC
Maroon Baboon • 02/12/22 10:43 AM ET
I'm a little surprised that you think UNC is the only team that "needs" 3
VTHokie2000 • 02/13/22 12:47 AM ET
I'd like to play WVU every year. But we aren't doing it now, so that is
Maroon Baboon • 02/13/22 01:30 AM ET
I'm not sure NC State "could live" without playing Wake since they
VTHokie2000 • 02/14/22 01:21 PM ET
To be honest
Millpoint • 02/11/22 10:22 AM ET
I wouldn't assume that WVU would get stuck with L'ville
VTHokie2000 • 02/12/22 06:22 AM ET
NC State is probably another that needs 3 (UNC, Wake, Clemson)
VTHokie2000 • 02/10/22 01:58 PM ET
Gawd, HOKIES getting into the weeds AGAIN
Mercury • 02/10/22 09:31 AM ET
UVa needs to keep playing UNC.
Maroon Baboon • 02/10/22 01:19 PM ET
As long as VT gets to maintain that heated rivalry with BC**
Millpoint • 02/09/22 07:30 PM ET
That's who we are going to get stuck with in that plan.**
EDGEMAN • 02/09/22 09:59 PM ET
The only way the ACC will ever let VT get a divorce from BC
VTHokie2000 • 02/09/22 10:32 PM ET
That's why we don't need "permanent rival" games!
EDGEMAN • 02/09/22 10:46 PM ET
This x 1000**
hokie4ever • 02/10/22 01:25 PM ET
I suspect you (and VT) would be in the minority on that issue
VTHokie2000 • 02/10/22 01:55 AM ET
BC should play Syracuse, Miami, and Pitt each year. Not VT.
Maroon Baboon • 02/10/22 12:04 AM ET
Oh don't worry the ACC will make sure that VT ends up with BC, Syracuse,
VTHokie2000 • 02/09/22 07:32 PM ET
This makes so much sense for the ACC
Millpoint • 02/09/22 01:31 PM ET
That's not necessarily an "always"
Pylons • 02/10/22 10:45 AM ET
Then choose two best teams by CFP rankings
Millpoint • 02/10/22 08:42 PM ET
I doubt any conference is going to want to crown a champion
Pylons • 02/12/22 03:04 PM ET
It will be interesting to see how many conferences do opt to go
VTHokie2000 • 02/09/22 06:45 PM ET
I can't really see a way that it hurts**
Pylons • 02/10/22 11:15 AM ET
It may not be a matter of whether it helps or hurts the conference
VTHokie2000 • 02/10/22 11:46 AM ET
You brought up the perception of helping or hurting ¯\_(ツ)_/¯**
Pylons • 02/10/22 12:05 PM ET
And if you re-read my post then you will I'm not talking about the concept
VTHokie2000 • 02/10/22 12:19 PM ET
I think the New Big 12 will be in on it too
Millpoint • 02/09/22 07:23 PM ET
Given that the Big XII is spread out, it makes sense for that
VTHokie2000 • 02/09/22 07:30 PM ET
I’d have to think the New Big 12 will do this as well
Millpoint • 02/09/22 08:21 PM ET
I noticed you left out BYU. How do they fit into your equation?**
VTHokie2000 • 02/09/22 08:23 PM ET
I guess they become the new WVU
Millpoint • 02/09/22 09:17 PM ET
From a scheduling standpoint, I would think everyone would need to follow
VTHokie2000 • 02/09/22 10:23 PM ET
As crazy as this sounds
Millpoint • 02/09/22 08:15 PM ET
I do see why you say that. At the same time, doesn't the Big Ten
VTHokie2000 • 02/09/22 08:21 PM ET
Why just two best teams? Let's have a playoff with the four best teams.
IB4TECH • 02/09/22 02:54 PM ET
Can't come soon enough!**
EDGEMAN • 02/09/22 01:23 PM ET