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VTHokie2000
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VTHokie2000

From a scheduling standpoint, I would think everyone would need to follow

the same model because it makes it easier when trying to establish a future schedule rotation for each school. Once the Big XII expands to 12, then it could be divided into 3 groups.

Group A: WVU, UCF, Cin, BYU
Group B: Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Okla State
Group C: Hou, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech

If those happen to be the 3 groups, then I could see fans of WVU, UCF, and Cin grow tired of always playing BYU. Heck BYU could even become their version of "Fredo" (reference to how a lot of Hokie fans view BC). They wouldn't necessary be wrong to think that because BYU probably should be in the same group as Texas Tech (based on geography). Although Group B could work too assuming Iowa St is moved to Group A. However, moving Iowa St to Group A doesn't make sense if you view it from a historic perspective. If you think about it, then you will see Group A is the "leftover group" or "oddball group" when factoring in the Big 8/SWC history.

It may even be enough for someone to conclude that Cincy, UCF, and WVU don't belong in the Big XII. Instead, they belong in a conference that is more eastern focus.

Metro 2.0 (for a lack of a better name)
Cincy
L'ville
Memphis
WVU
VT
Clemson
FSU
UCF
NC State or ECU?
Miami?
USF?
Pitt?

If those 12 teams formed a new conference, then the 2 divisions could look like this:

North: Pitt, Cincy, L'ville, WVU, VT, Memphis
South: NC State, Clemson, FSU, Miami, UCF, USF

I know 2 FL schools may be enough for the conference. However, by adding 4 FL schools, then the North teams could play 2 FL schools every year (1 home and 1 away). Plus, the 2 extra FL schools may be better than adding So. Miss, UAB, GA State, or GA Southern. Although if Pitt doesn't want to join this conference, then NC State (or ECU) could move to the North and UAB could join the South to fill that void. Regardless of which 12 end up in the Metro 2.0, I guess I would think the football would be much better than it is in the ACC and maybe even the Big XII when you start to factor in the importance of developing rivalries with the other members.
Posted: 02/09/2022 at 10:23 PM ET
(In response to this post by Millpoint)

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ACC close to eliminating Divisions soon (LINK)**
Stech • 02/09/22 12:40 PM ET
They should also go to 9 conference games, but they won't.
Mr. Touchdown • 02/11/22 12:15 PM ET
The problem with a 9 conference game schedule is it limits a team's
VTHokie2000 • 02/12/22 06:46 AM ET
Re: They should also go to 9 conference games, but they won't.
daveinop • 02/11/22 01:18 PM ET
This means acc got the votes
Mercury • 02/10/22 08:06 AM ET
So who would be #15(16)?**
Millpoint • 02/10/22 08:45 AM ET
West Virginia and Navy, 1 for rivalries, the other for location, national
Stech • 02/12/22 01:53 AM ET
Espn will tell them
Sunsetunderground • 02/10/22 09:14 AM ET
Why would ESPN agree to up 14 member’s pay just to get
Colonel Jessup • 02/11/22 11:37 AM ET
Folks too tactical
Mercury • 02/13/22 07:21 AM ET
Not just WV
Sunsetunderground • 02/11/22 01:59 PM ET
Personally, I'd rather the ACC partner w NBC and along w ND broadcasts,
BAMRising • 02/11/22 09:31 AM ET
NBC is out of Major Sports now
Mercury • 02/11/22 09:56 AM ET
It won't be ND
TerryD • 02/10/22 12:30 PM ET
Longhorn network ? Wonder if the Irish would want one
Sunsetunderground • 02/10/22 01:02 PM ET
No
TerryD • 02/10/22 01:09 PM ET
Not to be argumentative
Sunsetunderground • 02/10/22 02:59 PM ET
Not to be argumentative
TerryD • 02/10/22 03:42 PM ET
Screenshot for future verification
obguthr • 02/10/22 07:31 PM ET
Thats my thinking as well
Mercury • 02/10/22 09:28 AM ET
AD Shane Lyons shot down any WVU to ACC speculation in December
Millpoint • 02/11/22 08:51 AM ET
I think any Big 12 team would gladly jump to the ACC now.
Truthahn • 02/13/22 09:45 PM ET
Come on// this is NOT for any average person discussion and debate
Mercury • 02/11/22 10:03 AM ET
One thing I've constantly heard from our media in Morgantown
Millpoint • 02/11/22 10:00 PM ET
VT's AD shot down any ACC talk in 2003 as well.
Victor Tango • 02/11/22 09:27 AM ET
Agree 100%
Millpoint • 02/11/22 10:20 AM ET
Exactly**
Mercury • 02/11/22 10:07 AM ET
I’ve heard Memphis and Boise St are on deck**
Millpoint • 02/10/22 09:04 PM ET
Hopefully the ACC won't screw this up. Go 3 permanent rivals, rotate others
Maroon Baboon • 02/09/22 07:19 PM ET
The pods are simply a scheduling tool for better rotation
Mercury • 02/11/22 08:32 AM ET
You realize you will have permanent inequitable schedules FOREVER
Vippie1 • 02/10/22 11:08 AM ET
No matter how you do it, there will be inequitable schedules**
wwhokie1 • 02/10/22 01:40 PM ET
Rivalries matter. And they matter more than equitable schedules.
Maroon Baboon • 02/10/22 01:39 PM ET
Exactly. This issue is just another reason why increasing the size
VTHokie2000 • 02/10/22 01:49 PM ET
The rivalries matter to the schools and their fans though
VTHokie2000 • 02/10/22 12:02 PM ET
Yes. ANNUAL rivalries are where it's at.
Maroon Baboon • 02/10/22 01:47 PM ET
If you feel ACC need 3 built in games every season
Vippie1 • 02/10/22 03:07 PM ET
No. How is adding two teams going to allow us to play more often?
Maroon Baboon • 02/10/22 03:18 PM ET
Even if the ACC added 1 team (i.e. WVU) and opted to go with 3 quads/pods
VTHokie2000 • 02/10/22 03:48 PM ET
Certainly adding teams would complicate matters.
Maroon Baboon • 02/10/22 04:32 PM ET
Yes, adding teams would complicate matters
VTHokie2000 • 02/10/22 04:47 PM ET
3 Permanent rivals seems to only work with an even amount of teams.
Maroon Baboon • 02/10/22 05:40 PM ET
FWIW I did something similar when the MAC had 13 football members
VTHokie2000 • 02/10/22 06:06 PM ET
14 is actually a good number
obguthr • 02/10/22 08:24 PM ET
Assuming WVU became the 15th team, then limiting the protected games
VTHokie2000 • 02/11/22 02:31 AM ET
I'd be fine with just giving each individual school what it needs
Maroon Baboon • 02/11/22 03:15 PM ET
A problem with customizing the number of protected games for each school
VTHokie2000 • 02/12/22 06:13 AM ET
As long as no team has more than 3 and we play 5 or more additional ACC
Maroon Baboon • 02/12/22 10:43 AM ET
I'm a little surprised that you think UNC is the only team that "needs" 3
VTHokie2000 • 02/13/22 12:47 AM ET
I'd like to play WVU every year. But we aren't doing it now, so that is
Maroon Baboon • 02/13/22 01:30 AM ET
I'm not sure NC State "could live" without playing Wake since they
VTHokie2000 • 02/14/22 01:21 PM ET
To be honest
Millpoint • 02/11/22 10:22 AM ET
I wouldn't assume that WVU would get stuck with L'ville
VTHokie2000 • 02/12/22 06:22 AM ET
NC State is probably another that needs 3 (UNC, Wake, Clemson)
VTHokie2000 • 02/10/22 01:58 PM ET
Gawd, HOKIES getting into the weeds AGAIN
Mercury • 02/10/22 09:31 AM ET
UVa needs to keep playing UNC.
Maroon Baboon • 02/10/22 01:19 PM ET
As long as VT gets to maintain that heated rivalry with BC**
Millpoint • 02/09/22 07:30 PM ET
That's who we are going to get stuck with in that plan.**
EDGEMAN • 02/09/22 09:59 PM ET
The only way the ACC will ever let VT get a divorce from BC
VTHokie2000 • 02/09/22 10:32 PM ET
That's why we don't need "permanent rival" games!
EDGEMAN • 02/09/22 10:46 PM ET
This x 1000**
hokie4ever • 02/10/22 01:25 PM ET
I suspect you (and VT) would be in the minority on that issue
VTHokie2000 • 02/10/22 01:55 AM ET
BC should play Syracuse, Miami, and Pitt each year. Not VT.
Maroon Baboon • 02/10/22 12:04 AM ET
Oh don't worry the ACC will make sure that VT ends up with BC, Syracuse,
VTHokie2000 • 02/09/22 07:32 PM ET
This makes so much sense for the ACC
Millpoint • 02/09/22 01:31 PM ET
That's not necessarily an "always"
Pylons • 02/10/22 10:45 AM ET
Then choose two best teams by CFP rankings
Millpoint • 02/10/22 08:42 PM ET
I doubt any conference is going to want to crown a champion
Pylons • 02/12/22 03:04 PM ET
It will be interesting to see how many conferences do opt to go
VTHokie2000 • 02/09/22 06:45 PM ET
I can't really see a way that it hurts**
Pylons • 02/10/22 11:15 AM ET
It may not be a matter of whether it helps or hurts the conference
VTHokie2000 • 02/10/22 11:46 AM ET
You brought up the perception of helping or hurting ¯\_(ツ)_/¯**
Pylons • 02/10/22 12:05 PM ET
And if you re-read my post then you will I'm not talking about the concept
VTHokie2000 • 02/10/22 12:19 PM ET
I think the New Big 12 will be in on it too
Millpoint • 02/09/22 07:23 PM ET
Given that the Big XII is spread out, it makes sense for that
VTHokie2000 • 02/09/22 07:30 PM ET
I’d have to think the New Big 12 will do this as well
Millpoint • 02/09/22 08:21 PM ET
I noticed you left out BYU. How do they fit into your equation?**
VTHokie2000 • 02/09/22 08:23 PM ET
I guess they become the new WVU
Millpoint • 02/09/22 09:17 PM ET
From a scheduling standpoint, I would think everyone would need to follow ◄
VTHokie2000 • 02/09/22 10:23 PM ET
As crazy as this sounds
Millpoint • 02/09/22 08:15 PM ET
I do see why you say that. At the same time, doesn't the Big Ten
VTHokie2000 • 02/09/22 08:21 PM ET
Why just two best teams? Let's have a playoff with the four best teams.
IB4TECH • 02/09/22 02:54 PM ET
Can't come soon enough!**
EDGEMAN • 02/09/22 01:23 PM ET