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When they want special rules for a team

just because they want to remain independent - that's when and why, and rightly so, other fans care about it. I don't have to convince ND fans of anything - I personally don't care if they join a conference or not - but they shouldn't have their own representative on a committee where all other members represent multiple schools and no rules should apply to just them - a la the previously used "we get the Big East's bowl under xyz conditions."

"We're the only ones that count" perfect summation of the attitude that causes the issue.

CFB Conference winners want more access and less at large bids - no team should get the crazy deference ND does in the polls - all because of ancient history.

Don't get me wrong, I love playing ND, been to both games there. Great history/tradition. The ribbon of honor with every single letterman's name - from every sport - is really cool, one of the best sports displays I've seen. The students entering after everyone else by class, the trumpets under the dome - all really neat. But at this point independence isn't tradition it's arrogannce - and I've had the same discussion with my great ND friend who I sat with at the game.
[Post edited by RTFC at 01/22/2022 01:09AM]
Posted: 01/22/2022 at 01:09 AM ET
(In response to this post by TerryD)

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Sports Illustrated The Fight Over College Sports Is Here
harlote101 • 01/20/22 05:13 PM ET
Texas A&M and Jim Phillips have successfully changed the narrative
PaNDalum • 01/20/22 09:55 PM ET
Andy Staples weighs in:
TerryD • 01/22/22 10:22 AM ET
There seems to be a lot of thought of the P5 breaking from the NCAA
Vienna_Hokie • 01/21/22 01:07 PM ET
If the P5s just want it to be either football-only or football and
VTHokie2000 • 01/21/22 01:48 PM ET
Good post....
2hhoop3 • 01/21/22 11:12 AM ET
Spot on, this summer I was doubtful this could happen, but Phillips has
Stech • 01/21/22 07:52 AM ET
I already said where I thought
TerryD • 01/21/22 12:05 AM ET
Why would $85 million not be possible for ND as an independent?
Truthahn • 01/21/22 01:09 PM ET
NBC pays ND around 22-23 million a year
TerryD • 01/21/22 01:40 PM ET
Honestly, not sure if this has sarcasm or not
RTFC • 01/22/22 12:39 AM ET
He asked me why ND would not just stay independent in a P2 era
TerryD • 01/22/22 09:34 AM ET
Agree, if ND chooses to accept a pay the players model
RTFC • 01/22/22 09:58 AM ET
Doesn’t the acc pay VT 38 million?
Truthahn • 01/21/22 09:14 PM ET
Yeah, I see the writing on the wall.
goldendomer • 01/21/22 01:25 AM ET
A comment and question about Notre Dame tradition for you and @TerryD
Maroon Baboon • 01/21/22 11:16 AM ET
It is beyond a tradition at ND. Independence is what made us the brand we
goldendomer • 01/21/22 12:58 PM ET
It is not a "tradition". It is Notre Dame's very identity
TerryD • 01/21/22 02:32 PM ET
I think ND threw the origin story away with the partial ACC membership
Maroon Baboon • 01/21/22 03:45 PM ET
I didn't say it was noble. I just said it was unique, based on history**
TerryD • 01/21/22 11:33 PM ET
Actually it is partial independence, too. Independish!**
Truthahn • 01/21/22 09:21 PM ET
Your last suggestion.....
2hhoop3 • 01/21/22 04:01 PM ET
I like the ACC better, and loathe the idea of the Big ten
goldendomer • 01/21/22 03:58 PM ET
One of the main reasons ND independence worked
RTFC • 01/21/22 02:01 PM ET
How did ND attract all of those eastern Catholics in the first place?
TerryD • 01/21/22 02:29 PM ET
While you accuse him.....
2hhoop3 • 01/21/22 03:48 PM ET
ND had a bunch of Catholic fans wayway before that
TerryD • 01/21/22 05:42 PM ET
The reply was not contending....
2hhoop3 • 01/21/22 06:35 PM ET
Nope. I didn't say traveling to play teams wasn't a good idea,
RTFC • 01/21/22 03:18 PM ET
ND fans are the only ones who count on this subject
TerryD • 01/21/22 05:51 PM ET
When they want special rules for a team ◄
RTFC • 01/22/22 01:09 AM ET
Don't forget the convicts vs Catholics games
EDGEMAN • 01/21/22 12:09 PM ET
Excellent post. In that scenario ND will end up somewhere, or
RTFC • 01/20/22 11:35 PM ET
The re-org may be dysfunctional simply because the schools
VTHokie2000 • 01/20/22 10:04 PM ET
Frankly, some of the non-rev conferences need realigning too.
Maroon Baboon • 01/21/22 11:27 AM ET
Oh I agree that some non-revenue sports shouldn't be in a major conference
VTHokie2000 • 01/21/22 11:45 AM ET
Fasten your seatbelt
33laszlo99 • 01/20/22 09:21 PM ET
If the new association is a for-profit one, then what does that mean for
VTHokie2000 • 01/20/22 09:41 PM ET
I didn't notice any time deadlines in the article - this can drag out
PadrosWindup • 01/20/22 09:17 PM ET
August: "the committee’s real work begins after the convention; a spring
Stech • 01/21/22 12:37 PM ET
I could see this dragging out to where the current contract has expired
VTHokie2000 • 01/20/22 09:43 PM ET
Given the money to be made on a new playoffs I don't see that happening.
Truthahn • 01/21/22 01:19 PM ET
You are forgetting that a new contract or even a NCAA solution may not
VTHokie2000 • 01/21/22 01:37 PM ET
Yes, a very small risk of the plus one ncaa game.
Truthahn • 01/21/22 09:29 PM ET
Under the current DI structure, a P5 Playoff would violate antitrust laws.
VTHokie2000 • 01/22/22 09:50 AM ET
I'd prefer to fall back to the pre-BCS era honestly.
Maroon Baboon • 01/20/22 10:09 PM ET
Me too, but I could see the schools (or the bowls) decide to
VTHokie2000 • 01/20/22 10:14 PM ET
That mindset works for football, basketball, and a few of the non-revenue
VTHokie2000 • 01/20/22 07:38 PM ET
Jim Phillips ACC Commish is one of two P5's on the restructuring committee.
Stech • 01/20/22 07:13 PM ET
Let winning be the standard. Bring on relegation and promotion.
Maroon Baboon • 01/20/22 06:05 PM ET