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Oh I agree that some non-revenue sports shouldn't be in a major conference
or even DI (aka the top NCAA division level). However, here is where things might get tricky with the negotiations. About 20 years or so ago (late 90s/early 00s) the DI schools decided that DI schools couldn't compete at the DII or DIII levels in a sport because those teams had an unfair "competitive advantage" over their peer schools because those teams have access to the same "benefits" (i.e. resources, money, exposure, etc.) that the other DI teams at that school which aren't available to the other DII/DIII schools.
Let's assume for the sake of discussion that the P5 schools decide that baseball, softball, soccer, ice hockey, lacrosse, field hockey, and wrestling will be sponsored at the DI level (assuming the new DI level will just be "power conference" schools). Well Johns Hopkins (DIII school) competes in the Big Ten for men's lacrosse. While several DII schools (i.e. AK-Anchorage, AK-Fairbanks, RPI, RIT, etc.) currently compete at the DI level in men's ice hockey and I think women's ice hockey. If I was an AD at a DII or DIII school, then I would be concern that Johns Hopkins, Anchorage, Fairbanks, RPI, or RIT might suddenly gain an unfair competitive advantage because they have 1 or a couple non-revenue sports competing at the DI level particularly if the new DI takes on the mindset that all sports at that level are "revenue sports." Heck I might even look to see about 1 to a couple of my sports making the jump to DI to try to gain a competitive advantage over my DII or DIII peers. Basically the concern is a reverse of the concern DI schools had 20 or so years ago.
If the schools decide that certain sports shouldn't be in a major conference, then it would be interesting to see what that would mean. Would those sports still be competing at the DI level? If not, then how would the schools and their fans handle being in multiple division levels? How would that impact the conference network contracts and who would own the rights to a potential broadcast? For example, the ACC may decide to not sponsor wrestling at the new DII level. If that is the case, then VT and UVA could end up joining the CAA, which is now a new DII conference, in wrestling. I know the CAA has its own broadcasting contract. Would the ACCN still be allowed to televise VT or UVA wrestling matches or would fans be forced to watch whatever channel the CAA has a contract with? I guess this could potentially open a can of worm as to whether conference networks still make sense if schools are now members of multiple conferences.
Let's assume for the sake of discussion that the P5 schools decide that baseball, softball, soccer, ice hockey, lacrosse, field hockey, and wrestling will be sponsored at the DI level (assuming the new DI level will just be "power conference" schools). Well Johns Hopkins (DIII school) competes in the Big Ten for men's lacrosse. While several DII schools (i.e. AK-Anchorage, AK-Fairbanks, RPI, RIT, etc.) currently compete at the DI level in men's ice hockey and I think women's ice hockey. If I was an AD at a DII or DIII school, then I would be concern that Johns Hopkins, Anchorage, Fairbanks, RPI, or RIT might suddenly gain an unfair competitive advantage because they have 1 or a couple non-revenue sports competing at the DI level particularly if the new DI takes on the mindset that all sports at that level are "revenue sports." Heck I might even look to see about 1 to a couple of my sports making the jump to DI to try to gain a competitive advantage over my DII or DIII peers. Basically the concern is a reverse of the concern DI schools had 20 or so years ago.
If the schools decide that certain sports shouldn't be in a major conference, then it would be interesting to see what that would mean. Would those sports still be competing at the DI level? If not, then how would the schools and their fans handle being in multiple division levels? How would that impact the conference network contracts and who would own the rights to a potential broadcast? For example, the ACC may decide to not sponsor wrestling at the new DII level. If that is the case, then VT and UVA could end up joining the CAA, which is now a new DII conference, in wrestling. I know the CAA has its own broadcasting contract. Would the ACCN still be allowed to televise VT or UVA wrestling matches or would fans be forced to watch whatever channel the CAA has a contract with? I guess this could potentially open a can of worm as to whether conference networks still make sense if schools are now members of multiple conferences.
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Sports Illustrated The Fight Over College Sports Is Here
-- harlote101
Jan 20, 2022 at 05:13 PM ET
harlote101
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01/20/22 05:13 PM ET
Texas A&M and Jim Phillips have successfully changed the narrative
-- PaNDalum
Jan 20, 2022 at 09:55 PM ET
PaNDalum
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01/20/22 09:55 PM ET
There seems to be a lot of thought of the P5 breaking from the NCAA
-- Vienna_Hokie
Jan 21, 2022 at 01:07 PM ET
Vienna_Hokie
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01/21/22 01:07 PM ET
If the P5s just want it to be either football-only or football and
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 21, 2022 at 01:48 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/21/22 01:48 PM ET
Spot on, this summer I was doubtful this could happen, but Phillips has
-- Stech
Jan 21, 2022 at 07:52 AM ET
Stech
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01/21/22 07:52 AM ET
Why would $85 million not be possible for ND as an independent?
-- Truthahn
Jan 21, 2022 at 01:09 PM ET
Truthahn
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01/21/22 01:09 PM ET
NBC pays ND around 22-23 million a year
-- TerryD
Jan 21, 2022 at 01:40 PM ET
TerryD
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01/21/22 01:40 PM ET
Honestly, not sure if this has sarcasm or not
-- RTFC
Jan 22, 2022 at 12:39 AM ET
RTFC
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01/22/22 12:39 AM ET
He asked me why ND would not just stay independent in a P2 era
-- TerryD
Jan 22, 2022 at 09:34 AM ET
TerryD
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01/22/22 09:34 AM ET
Agree, if ND chooses to accept a pay the players model
-- RTFC
Jan 22, 2022 at 09:58 AM ET
RTFC
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01/22/22 09:58 AM ET
Doesn’t the acc pay VT 38 million?
-- Truthahn
Jan 21, 2022 at 09:14 PM ET
Truthahn
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01/21/22 09:14 PM ET
Yeah, I see the writing on the wall.
-- goldendomer
Jan 21, 2022 at 01:25 AM ET
goldendomer
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01/21/22 01:25 AM ET
A comment and question about Notre Dame tradition for you and @TerryD
-- Maroon Baboon
Jan 21, 2022 at 11:16 AM ET
Maroon Baboon
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01/21/22 11:16 AM ET
It is beyond a tradition at ND. Independence is what made us the brand we
-- goldendomer
Jan 21, 2022 at 12:58 PM ET
goldendomer
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01/21/22 12:58 PM ET
It is not a "tradition". It is Notre Dame's very identity
-- TerryD
Jan 21, 2022 at 02:32 PM ET
TerryD
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01/21/22 02:32 PM ET
I think ND threw the origin story away with the partial ACC membership
-- Maroon Baboon
Jan 21, 2022 at 03:45 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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01/21/22 03:45 PM ET
I didn't say it was noble. I just said it was unique, based on history**
-- TerryD
Jan 21, 2022 at 11:33 PM ET
TerryD
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01/21/22 11:33 PM ET
Actually it is partial independence, too. Independish!**
-- Truthahn
Jan 21, 2022 at 09:21 PM ET
Truthahn
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01/21/22 09:21 PM ET
I like the ACC better, and loathe the idea of the Big ten
-- goldendomer
Jan 21, 2022 at 03:58 PM ET
goldendomer
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01/21/22 03:58 PM ET
One of the main reasons ND independence worked
-- RTFC
Jan 21, 2022 at 02:01 PM ET
RTFC
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01/21/22 02:01 PM ET
How did ND attract all of those eastern Catholics in the first place?
-- TerryD
Jan 21, 2022 at 02:29 PM ET
TerryD
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01/21/22 02:29 PM ET
ND had a bunch of Catholic fans wayway before that
-- TerryD
Jan 21, 2022 at 05:42 PM ET
TerryD
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01/21/22 05:42 PM ET
The reply was not contending....
-- 2hhoop3
Jan 21, 2022 at 06:35 PM ET
2hhoop3
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01/21/22 06:35 PM ET
Nope. I didn't say traveling to play teams wasn't a good idea,
-- RTFC
Jan 21, 2022 at 03:18 PM ET
RTFC
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01/21/22 03:18 PM ET
ND fans are the only ones who count on this subject
-- TerryD
Jan 21, 2022 at 05:51 PM ET
TerryD
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01/21/22 05:51 PM ET
When they want special rules for a team
-- RTFC
Jan 22, 2022 at 01:09 AM ET
RTFC
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01/22/22 01:09 AM ET
Don't forget the convicts vs Catholics games
-- EDGEMAN
Jan 21, 2022 at 12:09 PM ET
EDGEMAN
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01/21/22 12:09 PM ET
Excellent post. In that scenario ND will end up somewhere, or
-- RTFC
Jan 20, 2022 at 11:35 PM ET
RTFC
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01/20/22 11:35 PM ET
The re-org may be dysfunctional simply because the schools
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 20, 2022 at 10:04 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/20/22 10:04 PM ET
Frankly, some of the non-rev conferences need realigning too.
-- Maroon Baboon
Jan 21, 2022 at 11:27 AM ET
Maroon Baboon
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01/21/22 11:27 AM ET
Oh I agree that some non-revenue sports shouldn't be in a major conference
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-- VTHokie2000
Jan 21, 2022 at 11:45 AM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/21/22 11:45 AM ET
If the new association is a for-profit one, then what does that mean for
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 20, 2022 at 09:41 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/20/22 09:41 PM ET
I didn't notice any time deadlines in the article - this can drag out
-- PadrosWindup
Jan 20, 2022 at 09:17 PM ET
PadrosWindup
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01/20/22 09:17 PM ET
August: "the committee’s real work begins after the convention; a spring
-- Stech
Jan 21, 2022 at 12:37 PM ET
Stech
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01/21/22 12:37 PM ET
I could see this dragging out to where the current contract has expired
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 20, 2022 at 09:43 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/20/22 09:43 PM ET
Given the money to be made on a new playoffs I don't see that happening.
-- Truthahn
Jan 21, 2022 at 01:19 PM ET
Truthahn
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01/21/22 01:19 PM ET
You are forgetting that a new contract or even a NCAA solution may not
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 21, 2022 at 01:37 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/21/22 01:37 PM ET
Yes, a very small risk of the plus one ncaa game.
-- Truthahn
Jan 21, 2022 at 09:29 PM ET
Truthahn
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01/21/22 09:29 PM ET
Under the current DI structure, a P5 Playoff would violate antitrust laws.
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 22, 2022 at 09:50 AM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/22/22 09:50 AM ET
I'd prefer to fall back to the pre-BCS era honestly.
-- Maroon Baboon
Jan 20, 2022 at 10:09 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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01/20/22 10:09 PM ET
Me too, but I could see the schools (or the bowls) decide to
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 20, 2022 at 10:14 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/20/22 10:14 PM ET
That mindset works for football, basketball, and a few of the non-revenue
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 20, 2022 at 07:38 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/20/22 07:38 PM ET
Jim Phillips ACC Commish is one of two P5's on the restructuring committee.
-- Stech
Jan 20, 2022 at 07:13 PM ET
Stech
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01/20/22 07:13 PM ET
Let winning be the standard. Bring on relegation and promotion.
-- Maroon Baboon
Jan 20, 2022 at 06:05 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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01/20/22 06:05 PM ET