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I agree that the ACC had a window, it was small and closed fast. The ACC

wouldn't be preference though, even with money being equal. It's mostly bad teams with small fanbases. It's pretty boring.
Posted: 06/22/2024 at 04:09 PM ET
(In response to this post by Stech)

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Why hasn't ESPN extended the ACC contract? Composition Clauses
INSIDE99 • 06/21/24 12:33 AM ET
ESPN & FOX did work together on Texas/OU 2 SEC early, here’s the article
Stech • 06/23/24 01:51 PM ET
There is a ton of collaboration
INSIDE99 • 06/23/24 02:32 PM ET
They haven't extended the contract, yet gave Calford + SMU their blessing?
hokieZ71 • 06/22/24 09:29 AM ET
I think you have a lot right but one thing
VTCALS72 • 06/22/24 11:07 AM ET
The SEC is not sitting this one out
INSIDE99 • 06/22/24 12:53 PM ET
I "know" now that everything @2hhoop3 has written in response
saret • 06/22/24 02:05 PM ET
Wow. You’re an angry little man. **
Oscar the American • 06/22/24 10:14 PM ET
Not angry. Just don't like trolls.**
saret • 06/22/24 10:26 PM ET
Why don't you just ignore their posts then?**
132863Hokie • 06/23/24 09:07 AM ET
I have! For weeks! But, you're right. I should just ignore him and
saret • 06/23/24 09:15 AM ET
Everything on this board is speculation. I don't see anything as fact. **
132863Hokie • 06/23/24 10:51 AM ET
You guys are just name calling without giving specifics that bother you,
Stech • 06/23/24 10:15 AM ET
I find it interesting you responded to my post, when my post
saret • 06/23/24 10:26 AM ET
You called him a troll, that’s name calling whether it’s me or not. You
Stech • 06/23/24 10:45 AM ET
You are entitled to......
2hhoop3 • 06/23/24 12:35 PM ET
I stand by the troll comment. And now, you're making a mountain out of
saret • 06/23/24 12:08 PM ET
lol!! You are 100% on the mark!! Troll fits this clown to a tee!! Might
ancient alien 2018 • 06/22/24 10:07 PM ET
Sorry you feel that way
INSIDE99 • 06/22/24 07:13 PM ET
I doubt you and I would be tailgating together. I'm very particular
saret • 06/22/24 10:23 PM ET
Why so mad? Acc crumbles - it will be ok **
AnotherTechW • 06/22/24 10:37 PM ET
I'm very clear that what happens to the ACC is of little or no
saret • 06/23/24 12:12 PM ET
No concerns
INSIDE99 • 06/23/24 02:50 PM ET
Why do you think it will be ok?
VTCALS72 • 06/23/24 11:50 AM ET
It will be okay, from my perspective. As far as the BIG12 and its
saret • 06/23/24 12:20 PM ET
Not everyone here feels like that, keep posting, the different viewpoints
Stech • 06/22/24 08:16 PM ET
Pls don't enable him.**
saret • 06/22/24 10:26 PM ET
Will Stewart enables all of us to post here, not me. I want various views
Stech • 06/22/24 11:27 PM ET
Great post and I agree. I have enjoyed reading his posts.**
JohnsonCItyHokie • 06/25/24 12:04 PM ET
That's not his schtick. He's trolling He wants to be seen as an
ancient alien 2018 • 06/23/24 01:29 AM ET
Why would Will let him post if that were the case? No one is 100% right,
Stech • 06/23/24 10:12 AM ET
I "let him post" because I've never received a single complaint about him.**
Will StewartAdmin • 06/24/24 12:00 AM ET
Appreciate it
INSIDE99 • 06/25/24 12:12 AM ET
Where do you think FSU is headed.**
133193Hokie • 06/22/24 01:48 PM ET
B1G
INSIDE99 • 06/22/24 09:47 PM ET
How could they be LOCKED when no conference in their right mind would get
sacramento hokie • 06/23/24 10:03 AM ET
You have also........
2hhoop3 • 06/22/24 09:54 PM ET
Why hasn’t this happened with every team that’s left a conference?**
AnotherTechW • 06/22/24 10:39 PM ET
What schools left during their Grant of Rights period?
mrcaniac • 06/23/24 12:48 AM ET
You are 100% correct!**
ancient alien 2018 • 06/23/24 01:35 AM ET
Perhaps the threats were.......
2hhoop3 • 06/22/24 10:56 PM ET
The ACC is going to sue the B1G, FOX, NBC and CBS?
INSIDE99 • 06/22/24 10:38 PM ET
TX/OU announced that their departure date from the BigXII was 6/30/25
mrcaniac • 06/23/24 12:57 AM ET
They defended themselves.......
2hhoop3 • 06/22/24 10:53 PM ET
Where did you hear FOX and ESPN
INSIDE99 • 06/23/24 12:46 AM ET
There was no need to hear.....
2hhoop3 • 06/23/24 01:49 AM ET
Texas Oklahoma agreement to SEC was ESPN & Fox working it out so Fox was
Stech • 06/23/24 10:07 AM ET
tortious interference common knowledge - VT talking with SEC partners?
INSIDE99 • 06/23/24 02:19 PM ET
Discussions.....
2hhoop3 • 06/23/24 02:50 PM ET
So Pitt is off the hook
INSIDE99 • 06/23/24 03:05 PM ET
Thanks for the reply.........
2hhoop3 • 06/23/24 03:13 PM ET
It was not just .......
2hhoop3 • 06/23/24 12:20 PM ET
As long as they pay the appropriate exit fees, they can go
saret • 06/22/24 02:29 PM ET
To hell…..?
RJHokie • 06/22/24 01:50 PM ET
And do not pass GO and do not collect one cent in TV revenue!!**
ancient alien 2018 • 06/22/24 10:09 PM ET
I don’t begrudge FSU at all. They are potentially fighting for
133193Hokie • 06/22/24 03:06 PM ET
The exact same can be said for the Wakes, BCs, Cuse,
VTCALS72 • 06/23/24 06:29 AM ET
While I agree that the networks have immense power in regards
Big12 guy • 06/23/24 08:12 AM ET
ESPN has the power but why would you think they would have added Ore and Wa
VTCALS72 • 06/23/24 11:22 AM ET
The picture of two top conferences, and three
Big12 guy • 06/23/24 11:44 AM ET
Isn't "our opinions" really all that is posted on here?
VTCALS72 • 06/23/24 11:55 AM ET
I have zero issue with reading your opinions, or anyone else's
Big12 guy • 06/23/24 11:58 AM ET
Yep, your opinion. Mine is the PAC is coming back
VTCALS72 • 06/23/24 12:01 PM ET
I think you are right.......
2hhoop3 • 06/22/24 03:59 PM ET
I’d say 50% FSU fault and 50% ACC
HokieAl • 06/22/24 07:48 PM ET
FSU & Clemson wanted easy scheduling model & 8 games playing 1 SEC team but
Stech • 06/22/24 06:45 PM ET
Those folks would sell their mother’s soul to the devil..**
RJHokie • 06/22/24 03:56 PM ET
Hokie, the figure you use for "TV subscriptions" looks, to me, a lot like
33laszlo99 • 06/22/24 10:48 AM ET
Unless ESPN has some contractual incentive to exercise the option early...
SMU Pony • 06/22/24 09:06 AM ET
One reason may be in the current instability of the ACC and trying
VTCALS72 • 06/22/24 10:54 AM ET
I think that instability is part of why they haven't exercised it yet...
SMU Pony • 06/22/24 03:05 PM ET
There has been zero good reporting on the ESPN acc contract
SpeakToDamien • 06/21/24 09:06 PM ET
Does anyone know the exact wording of the composition clause? This
Big12 guy • 06/21/24 12:15 PM ET
Four score and seven years ago...**
VTBoar • 06/21/24 08:37 PM ET
As I understood it, the ACC had pro rata for their adds to the conference.
Maroon Baboon • 06/21/24 12:13 PM ET
Find it hard to believe ESPN wasn't consulted before Sta/Cal/SMU were added**
HokieNoVA • 06/21/24 02:12 PM ET
ESPN was consulted.
HOO86 • 06/21/24 07:19 PM ET
I still believe ESPN was more than "consulted" Driving the additions?, yes.**
VTCALS72 • 06/22/24 08:20 AM ET
Interesting. Did the ACC choose SMU over Wazzu and Oregon State?
Maroon Baboon • 06/21/24 08:05 PM ET
I think SMU was a really good addition. I think they'll be in the top 6
TDVick • 06/23/24 07:39 PM ET
Oregon State President wasn't interested
HOO86 • 06/21/24 08:17 PM ET
I wonder what Stanford and Cal think of WSU and OSU.
Maroon Baboon • 06/21/24 08:23 PM ET
All I know is that the didn't want to rebuild PAC12 with them
HOO86 • 06/21/24 09:09 PM ET
Nevada and CSU to ACC - We are living in bizarro world. All Coast Conferenc**
AnotherTechW • 06/22/24 07:02 AM ET
If they weren't, then the ACC brass made the move to protect the contract.
Big12 guy • 06/21/24 05:03 PM ET
Composition Clauses Expanded/Clarifications
INSIDE99 • 06/21/24 01:05 PM ET
OK. But what about the pro rata?
Maroon Baboon • 06/21/24 01:46 PM ET
Adding markets and not paying them adds money, yes **
INSIDE99 • 06/21/24 01:57 PM ET
But is the pro-rata clause part of the ACC-ESPN deal, or no?
Maroon Baboon • 06/21/24 02:03 PM ET
The pro rata was automatic for P5 adds
mrcaniac • 06/21/24 06:58 PM ET
Sounds right. I forgot about the P5 angle.
Maroon Baboon • 06/21/24 08:00 PM ET
WSU and OSU couldn't afford to come in to the ACC at a discounted rate
mrcaniac • 06/21/24 09:52 PM ET
No one that can........
2hhoop3 • 06/21/24 12:25 PM ET
Without the wording of the contract, the speculation is at
Big12 guy • 06/21/24 12:41 PM ET
As has repeatedly been said.......
2hhoop3 • 06/21/24 12:48 PM ET
We don’t know who he/she is with that handle, but we do know Will does and
Stech • 06/21/24 01:04 PM ET
TJ Pittinger was Talking a Lot About This Composition Clause Kicking in
WarHog38 • 06/21/24 04:06 PM ET
So are you saying Inside99 is TJ Pittinger?**
Stech • 06/21/24 04:58 PM ET
The Links That Inside99 Provides are Beyond Pittinger's Grasp From What I
WarHog38 • 06/21/24 05:28 PM ET
Who is UNC going to sue? Their Board of Governors?
VTCALS72 • 06/22/24 08:32 AM ET
Just Assuming That UNC Would Get that BOG Interference Resolved
WarHog38 • 06/22/24 03:03 PM ET
Ask the NBC guy
INSIDE99 • 06/22/24 12:45 AM ET
Not Talking About Legal or Real Names
WarHog38 • 06/22/24 03:10 AM ET
Reply to Josh Pate - Wooo Pig Sooie!
INSIDE99 • 06/22/24 12:02 PM ET
Fair enough
INSIDE99 • 06/21/24 01:29 PM ET
Thank you for our share in the favor, but VT fans have been on the
Maroon Baboon • 06/21/24 05:21 PM ET
I am leaning toward believing you know what you are talking about. My
Stech • 06/21/24 02:54 PM ET
This board has a propensity to yank one back on the
Big12 guy • 06/21/24 05:10 PM ET
I'm not sure what "reservation" and "echo chamber" you are talking about,
Maroon Baboon • 06/21/24 05:26 PM ET
I meant it as a compliment, not a dig.
Big12 guy • 06/21/24 05:31 PM ET
Apologies if I misunderstood. **
Maroon Baboon • 06/21/24 06:06 PM ET
Will has the ability.......
2hhoop3 • 06/21/24 01:10 PM ET
So no matter if he is right or not, you won't believe he knew anything? Do
Stech • 06/21/24 02:35 PM ET
No ......
2hhoop3 • 06/21/24 04:11 PM ET
I’m not sure what you’re asking about on this, can you give me more detail?**
Stech • 06/21/24 04:57 PM ET
The poster you.......
2hhoop3 • 06/21/24 05:39 PM ET
Your questions don't make sense
INSIDE99 • 06/21/24 11:59 PM ET
Before you comment.......
2hhoop3 • 06/22/24 01:54 AM ET
You have already said that if he is right, you are still not going to
Stech • 06/22/24 11:03 AM ET
You can believe ......
2hhoop3 • 06/22/24 11:25 AM ET
It's your turn, what do U think is going to happen? FSU & Clemson staying?
Stech • 06/22/24 01:00 PM ET
I have said it before.......
2hhoop3 • 06/22/24 01:17 PM ET
You're the one not paying attention IMHO, can you tell me where I stand on
Stech • 06/22/24 01:44 PM ET
I do not think........
2hhoop3 • 06/22/24 02:08 PM ET
That was fairly accurate, if I had my way the ACC would make as much money
Stech • 06/22/24 02:43 PM ET
You thought at one time it was possible for the ACC to make as much as the
NokieHokie • 06/22/24 03:08 PM ET
Early on yes, with Miami, FSU, Clemson winning Natty’s, & VT top 5-10,
Stech • 06/22/24 04:06 PM ET
I agree that the ACC had a window, it was small and closed fast. The ACC ◄
NokieHokie • 06/22/24 04:09 PM ET
Easy scheduling model buried ACC football. Terrible TV ratings, FSU, Miami
Stech • 06/22/24 06:52 PM ET
Yep. And Frank loved his Coastal schedule, as well.**
Femoyer Hokie • 06/22/24 08:53 PM ET
Most Coaches want an easy schedule, but it’s up to the Commissioner to stop
Stech • 06/22/24 11:30 PM ET
You also had some poor leadership at the schools’ level too. **
RJHokie • 06/22/24 07:06 PM ET
ACC had bball-loving loser leadership.**
NokieHokie • 06/22/24 06:54 PM ET
If you can.....
2hhoop3 • 06/22/24 02:59 PM ET
Did you initially believe FSU would not be able to leave the ACC? Or have
Stech • 06/22/24 03:53 PM ET
I thought........
2hhoop3 • 06/22/24 04:04 PM ET
Okay, I definitely I had the impression you didn’t think they could leave
Stech • 06/22/24 04:27 PM ET
The GOR.......
2hhoop3 • 06/22/24 04:55 PM ET
Hubris
DrHokie • 06/21/24 07:48 PM ET
Inflections do not come across well on these boards, so most,
Big12 guy • 06/21/24 12:55 PM ET
Inflections do not need.......
2hhoop3 • 06/21/24 01:02 PM ET
Lol...
DrHokie • 06/21/24 07:52 PM ET
It only makes sense that the composition clause pertains to who are members
WBGV • 06/21/24 11:53 AM ET
Currently the ACC has the media rights of 14.5 members
mrcaniac • 06/21/24 10:11 AM ET
He’s saying the Composition Clause is triggered with two schools no matter
Stech • 06/21/24 11:54 AM ET
do you have any confirmation that the extension thing is actually real
daveinop • 06/21/24 08:25 AM ET
The Composition Clause
INSIDE99 • 06/21/24 10:08 AM ET
First post you said subtract or add 2 teams. So wouldn't it trigger soon?
HokieAl • 06/21/24 11:36 AM ET
pretty big assumptions
daveinop • 06/21/24 11:26 AM ET
Two way street for ACC
INSIDE99 • 06/21/24 11:43 AM ET
you are helping to make my point
daveinop • 06/21/24 01:16 PM ET
ACC late time slots
INSIDE99 • 06/21/24 01:41 PM ET
so you are saying that ESPN just approved composition changes to a contract
daveinop • 06/22/24 10:53 AM ET
Keeping the ACC together
INSIDE99 • 06/22/24 12:26 PM ET
I expect silly and surprising stuff to happen in realignment but
daveinop • 06/22/24 07:28 PM ET
The ACC just added 3 schools that avoids composition clause issues
Femoyer Hokie • 06/21/24 10:31 AM ET
The Composition Clause
INSIDE99 • 06/21/24 10:43 AM ET
The B12 lost OU and TX, and their $ went up.
Truthahn • 06/21/24 11:41 AM ET
My understanding is the three pending additions were voted in to
Femoyer Hokie • 06/21/24 10:48 AM ET
They are not official members yet...**
VintonHokies • 06/21/24 10:34 AM ET
Soon enough
mrcaniac • 06/21/24 01:53 PM ET
Fair point.**
Femoyer Hokie • 06/21/24 10:49 AM ET
Are you sure about the IMMEDIATE?
VTCALS72 • 06/21/24 07:37 AM ET
No offense but
MrFantastic! • 06/21/24 05:12 AM ET
But what does VT "survival" look like?
VTCALS72 • 06/21/24 07:48 AM ET
Survival depends on what ESPN does with the ACC
HokieAl • 06/21/24 08:30 AM ET
Current level of money does not allow us to "keep up."
VTCALS72 • 06/21/24 10:49 AM ET
Football will survive, we will keep investing there. Olympic Men’s Sports
Stech • 06/21/24 08:57 AM ET
You can take the thought of endowment helping at VT
Pylons • 06/21/24 10:25 AM ET
Please explain why UVA can do it but Tech cannot do it?
Stech • 06/21/24 11:44 AM ET
Endowment: UVA = $13.6B UNC =$10.6B VT <$2B**
133919Hokie • 06/21/24 01:42 PM ET
Can't do as much, but that's certainly not chicken feed either.**
Stech • 06/21/24 02:56 PM ET
Sure
Pylons • 06/21/24 01:18 PM ET
You are saying they can do it too, but the ~1.7 Billion isn't enough to do
Stech • 06/21/24 02:47 PM ET
I hear you,
Pylons • 06/21/24 03:14 PM ET
All excellent points, which is why I think that some Men’s Sports could
Stech • 06/21/24 03:39 PM ET
Could be. Can't necessarily do much of (just) that though
Pylons • 06/21/24 03:50 PM ET
85 football scholarships have to be made up on the Women’s side, correct?
Stech • 06/21/24 04:05 PM ET
The distribution of scholarships has to stay
Pylons • 06/21/24 04:14 PM ET
K-State was looking down the barrel of the Mountain West a couple of Years
Big12 guy • 06/21/24 08:05 AM ET