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They haven't extended the contract, yet gave Calford + SMU their blessing?
Those three schools don't get added if ESPN doesn't want them to be added. That much is for darn certain. And can we be just offer a disclaimer for this entire board that it is TV money that's driving all of this? School presidents aren't sitting around thinking about how they can alter the way the nation consumes college sports on TV. Media companies are. The media companies offer money to the school presidents' athletic programs to make the changes occur in the manner they see fit.
So the real question you need to answer is "Why is ESPN OK with adding three 'mid' additions to the ACC"? That is up for debate, but ESPN clearly knows FSU and Clemson want out, but due to the Calford + SMU adds, that must mean that ESPN also wants the ACC to remain a viable athletic conference.
My guesses (2) as to ESPN's reasoning are:
(This is long, if you want to just get to key points, scroll down to the ****Basic Summary statement*****)
1) Because of the revenue and profit BOTH the ACC Network and SEC Network produces.
First the ACC Network $$$-
Everybody knows the $$ situation at Disney/ESPN and the simple fact is the ACC Network adds 9 figures of revenue per year to ESPN's books and will continue to do so for the next 13 years. Extinguishing that cash stream is bad business. Who says "No" to what will likely amount to $1.5 Billion dollars over a decade-plus?
Yes, cord cutting will continue to be a thing and paid subscriber fees to Dish, DirecTV and Comcast will continue to drop, but it's not going away, because subscriptions to YouTube Live and Hulu Live continue to rise. There are over 12 Million subscribers to those Live TV services. It's not disappearing, it's just shifting. It won't even make a large sized dent before 2036. Live sports will remain a cash cow for most of our lifetimes. Eventually, it will be replaced by paid streaming subscribers, but not likely by the end of the ACC Media Rights deal.
But, what if FSU and Clemson go to the B1G? Well, the ACC Network still pulls in Florida revenue with Miami and losing South Carolina is more than offset by adding Texas and California, so ESPN still makes their ACCN revenue if FSU and Clemson leave.
Now - SEC Network $$$
On the other hand, what if ESPN could add FSU and Clemson to the SEC Network? NOTHING, they add zippo to SEC Network revenue. The SEC Network has ~70 million subscribers paying $1.40 per sub. (These are somewhat old numbers, but it probably isn't much different today...keep that in mind) If the SEC adds FSU + Clemson, the SEC Network adds exactly........zero subscribers. Multiplying 0 times $1.40 = $0 added subscriber fees. Now, what about the rest of the SEC? 70 million subs x $1.40 = $98 million dollars. Per month. $98M x 12 months = $1.176B per year. (I'm guessing this is about 4-5 times the ACC Network revenue, btw) This $1.176B revenue is most likely split 50/50 just going off the ACC's deal with ESPN.
So splitting $1.176B in half means $588 million is generated by the SEC Network that's delivered to the SEC member schools. $588M divided by 16 schools = $36.75M per school per year JUST from the SEC Network. (For comparison, I think ACC schools get about $8M-$10M per school annually from the ACC Network)
Now....lets add FSU and Clemson with their ZERO added SEC Network dollars $588M divided by 18 = $32.67M. So every SEC school takes a $4M+ hit to allow FSU and Clemson to join? So, this mean ESPN has to say "Hey Florida/Bama/South Carolina/etc..., can you guys vote to add FSU and Clemson? Your conference will get harder to win, its going to be harder to recruit and we are taking $4M away from you every year!" I don't think so..... Or....ESPN tries to ram a subscriber rate hike down Comcast/Dish/DirecTV's throats to get the money back? In this economy? I also don't think so.... I honestly think ESPN loses money (a lot) if FSU and Clemson jump to the SEC.
So, in summary - FSU and Clemson leaving for the B1G does nothing to hurt ACC Network revenue as long as the league stays viable. It also does nothing to hurt SEC Network payout per school nor ESPN's payment to those 16 SEC schools. However, ESPN would have to pay (a LOT) to the current SEC to compensate them for adding FSU and Clemson or ask Comcast/Dish/DirecTV/Hulu/YouTube to pay for it. This is why I could see FSU and Clemson to the B1G as a realistic possibility.
**** Basic Summary statement*******
- FSU and Clemson want out and are fighting like mad to get out. ESPN will lose money if they go to the SEC, but won't really lose money if they go to the B1G. ESPN also wants the ACC to stick around close to its current form, because it's making good money there, so I could see ESPN working to allow FSU and Clemson to leave, but making it right for the rest of the ACC $$$-wise to allow them to leave, yet stay together afterwards.
-This is why UNC was the only remaining ACC school to vote against expansion - because the other schools know there is more money by keeping the ACC together. Only FSU, Clemson and UNC can make more money elsewhere. Miami, VT, UVA, NC State - none of them are getting a better deal from the P2 or Big 12 (for the time being) than what they're getting from ESPN to stay in the ACC and allow FSU and Clemson to leave.
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2) It keeps Notre Dame happy and out of the B1G and Fox's control. I think ND's current relationship with the ACC Network is a boon for ESPN. ESPN does get 2-3 ACC home football games vs Notre Dame per year, not to mention full ND inclusion on the ACC Network for all other sports, and they have to be pretty happy with that arrangement. Notre Dame is obviously getting paid like a P2 school to remain independent, so they are certainly good with that as well.
Conclusion for the ACC.
FSU and Clemson want out. They won't be here much longer. The B1G probably is the right place for them based on the fact the SEC and ESPN probably doesn't want them in the SEC.
So, the next domino is UNC, and based purely on finances, I could see ESPN trying to keep UNC in the ACC for the time being. All of that FSU/Clemson -> SEC money talk above kinda extends to UNC. North Carolina has 4.3M TV subscribers. Even if the SEC Network wasn't currently cashing in a full $1.40 per subscriber in North Carolina (I'd find it hard to believe the SEC Network isn't getting a full carriage fee in NC for ESPN), the difference between in-market and out-of-market subscriber fees is around $1.00 per month, so that's roughly $4.3M a month than UNC adds to the SEC Network revenue (MAYBE! Again, I feel like NC subscribers are already paying a full share because of proximity to the SEC).
So ($4.3M x 12months)/17 new SEC members = about $3M per year of value added per school on an annual basis. And why would there be 17 schools in the SEC? It's weird, so go 18. You could add UVA and that also probably keeps a fairly consistent $3M value added with the addition of the state of VA's slightly-smaller-than-NC subscriber base. BUT, this is ESPN, and that will be the straw that breaks the ACC's back and ruins the ACC's valuation as a whole.
So....while the SEC school's may make more money, ESPN loses big on the ACC falling completely apart. So I don't see that happening for now.
Thread Replies (179)
Why hasn't ESPN extended the ACC contract? Composition Clauses
-- INSIDE99
Jun 21, 2024 at 12:33 AM ET
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06/21/24 12:33 AM ET
ESPN & FOX did work together on Texas/OU 2 SEC early, here’s the article
-- Stech
Jun 23, 2024 at 01:51 PM ET
Stech
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06/23/24 01:51 PM ET
There is a ton of collaboration
-- INSIDE99
Jun 23, 2024 at 02:32 PM ET
INSIDE99
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06/23/24 02:32 PM ET
They haven't extended the contract, yet gave Calford + SMU their blessing?
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-- hokieZ71
Jun 22, 2024 at 09:29 AM ET
hokieZ71
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06/22/24 09:29 AM ET
I think you have a lot right but one thing
-- VTCALS72
Jun 22, 2024 at 11:07 AM ET
VTCALS72
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06/22/24 11:07 AM ET
The SEC is not sitting this one out
-- INSIDE99
Jun 22, 2024 at 12:53 PM ET
INSIDE99
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06/22/24 12:53 PM ET
I "know" now that everything @2hhoop3 has written in response
-- saret
Jun 22, 2024 at 02:05 PM ET
saret
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06/22/24 02:05 PM ET
Wow. You’re an angry little man. **
-- Oscar the American
Jun 22, 2024 at 10:14 PM ET
Oscar the American
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06/22/24 10:14 PM ET
Not angry. Just don't like trolls.**
-- saret
Jun 22, 2024 at 10:26 PM ET
saret
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06/22/24 10:26 PM ET
Why don't you just ignore their posts then?**
-- 132863Hokie
Jun 23, 2024 at 09:07 AM ET
132863Hokie
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06/23/24 09:07 AM ET
I have! For weeks! But, you're right. I should just ignore him and
-- saret
Jun 23, 2024 at 09:15 AM ET
saret
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06/23/24 09:15 AM ET
Everything on this board is speculation. I don't see anything as fact. **
-- 132863Hokie
Jun 23, 2024 at 10:51 AM ET
132863Hokie
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06/23/24 10:51 AM ET
You guys are just name calling without giving specifics that bother you,
-- Stech
Jun 23, 2024 at 10:15 AM ET
Stech
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06/23/24 10:15 AM ET
I find it interesting you responded to my post, when my post
-- saret
Jun 23, 2024 at 10:26 AM ET
saret
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06/23/24 10:26 AM ET
You called him a troll, that’s name calling whether it’s me or not. You
-- Stech
Jun 23, 2024 at 10:45 AM ET
Stech
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06/23/24 10:45 AM ET
I stand by the troll comment. And now, you're making a mountain out of
-- saret
Jun 23, 2024 at 12:08 PM ET
saret
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06/23/24 12:08 PM ET
lol!! You are 100% on the mark!! Troll fits this clown to a tee!! Might
-- ancient alien 2018
Jun 22, 2024 at 10:07 PM ET
ancient alien 2018
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06/22/24 10:07 PM ET
I doubt you and I would be tailgating together. I'm very particular
-- saret
Jun 22, 2024 at 10:23 PM ET
saret
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06/22/24 10:23 PM ET
Why so mad? Acc crumbles - it will be ok **
-- AnotherTechW
Jun 22, 2024 at 10:37 PM ET
AnotherTechW
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06/22/24 10:37 PM ET
I'm very clear that what happens to the ACC is of little or no
-- saret
Jun 23, 2024 at 12:12 PM ET
saret
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06/23/24 12:12 PM ET
Why do you think it will be ok?
-- VTCALS72
Jun 23, 2024 at 11:50 AM ET
VTCALS72
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06/23/24 11:50 AM ET
It will be okay, from my perspective. As far as the BIG12 and its
-- saret
Jun 23, 2024 at 12:20 PM ET
saret
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06/23/24 12:20 PM ET
Not everyone here feels like that, keep posting, the different viewpoints
-- Stech
Jun 22, 2024 at 08:16 PM ET
Stech
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06/22/24 08:16 PM ET
Will Stewart enables all of us to post here, not me. I want various views
-- Stech
Jun 22, 2024 at 11:27 PM ET
Stech
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06/22/24 11:27 PM ET
Great post and I agree. I have enjoyed reading his posts.**
-- JohnsonCItyHokie
Jun 25, 2024 at 12:04 PM ET
JohnsonCItyHokie
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06/25/24 12:04 PM ET
That's not his schtick. He's trolling He wants to be seen as an
-- ancient alien 2018
Jun 23, 2024 at 01:29 AM ET
ancient alien 2018
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06/23/24 01:29 AM ET
Why would Will let him post if that were the case? No one is 100% right,
-- Stech
Jun 23, 2024 at 10:12 AM ET
Stech
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06/23/24 10:12 AM ET
I "let him post" because I've never received a single complaint about him.**
-- Will Stewart
Jun 24, 2024 at 12:00 AM ET
Will Stewart
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06/24/24 12:00 AM ET
Where do you think FSU is headed.**
-- 133193Hokie
Jun 22, 2024 at 01:48 PM ET
133193Hokie
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06/22/24 01:48 PM ET
How could they be LOCKED when no conference in their right mind would get
-- sacramento hokie
Jun 23, 2024 at 10:03 AM ET
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06/23/24 10:03 AM ET
Why hasn’t this happened with every team that’s left a conference?**
-- AnotherTechW
Jun 22, 2024 at 10:39 PM ET
AnotherTechW
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06/22/24 10:39 PM ET
What schools left during their Grant of Rights period?
-- mrcaniac
Jun 23, 2024 at 12:48 AM ET
mrcaniac
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06/23/24 12:48 AM ET
You are 100% correct!**
-- ancient alien 2018
Jun 23, 2024 at 01:35 AM ET
ancient alien 2018
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06/23/24 01:35 AM ET
Perhaps the threats were.......
-- 2hhoop3
Jun 22, 2024 at 10:56 PM ET
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06/22/24 10:56 PM ET
The ACC is going to sue the B1G, FOX, NBC and CBS?
-- INSIDE99
Jun 22, 2024 at 10:38 PM ET
INSIDE99
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06/22/24 10:38 PM ET
TX/OU announced that their departure date from the BigXII was 6/30/25
-- mrcaniac
Jun 23, 2024 at 12:57 AM ET
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06/23/24 12:57 AM ET
They defended themselves.......
-- 2hhoop3
Jun 22, 2024 at 10:53 PM ET
2hhoop3
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06/22/24 10:53 PM ET
Where did you hear FOX and ESPN
-- INSIDE99
Jun 23, 2024 at 12:46 AM ET
INSIDE99
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06/23/24 12:46 AM ET
There was no need to hear.....
-- 2hhoop3
Jun 23, 2024 at 01:49 AM ET
2hhoop3
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06/23/24 01:49 AM ET
Texas Oklahoma agreement to SEC was ESPN & Fox working it out so Fox was
-- Stech
Jun 23, 2024 at 10:07 AM ET
Stech
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06/23/24 10:07 AM ET
tortious interference common knowledge - VT talking with SEC partners?
-- INSIDE99
Jun 23, 2024 at 02:19 PM ET
INSIDE99
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06/23/24 02:19 PM ET
As long as they pay the appropriate exit fees, they can go
-- saret
Jun 22, 2024 at 02:29 PM ET
saret
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06/22/24 02:29 PM ET
And do not pass GO and do not collect one cent in TV revenue!!**
-- ancient alien 2018
Jun 22, 2024 at 10:09 PM ET
ancient alien 2018
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06/22/24 10:09 PM ET
I don’t begrudge FSU at all. They are potentially fighting for
-- 133193Hokie
Jun 22, 2024 at 03:06 PM ET
133193Hokie
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06/22/24 03:06 PM ET
The exact same can be said for the Wakes, BCs, Cuse,
-- VTCALS72
Jun 23, 2024 at 06:29 AM ET
VTCALS72
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06/23/24 06:29 AM ET
While I agree that the networks have immense power in regards
-- Big12 guy
Jun 23, 2024 at 08:12 AM ET
Big12 guy
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06/23/24 08:12 AM ET
ESPN has the power but why would you think they would have added Ore and Wa
-- VTCALS72
Jun 23, 2024 at 11:22 AM ET
VTCALS72
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06/23/24 11:22 AM ET
The picture of two top conferences, and three
-- Big12 guy
Jun 23, 2024 at 11:44 AM ET
Big12 guy
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06/23/24 11:44 AM ET
Isn't "our opinions" really all that is posted on here?
-- VTCALS72
Jun 23, 2024 at 11:55 AM ET
VTCALS72
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06/23/24 11:55 AM ET
I have zero issue with reading your opinions, or anyone else's
-- Big12 guy
Jun 23, 2024 at 11:58 AM ET
Big12 guy
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06/23/24 11:58 AM ET
Yep, your opinion. Mine is the PAC is coming back
-- VTCALS72
Jun 23, 2024 at 12:01 PM ET
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06/23/24 12:01 PM ET
I’d say 50% FSU fault and 50% ACC
-- HokieAl
Jun 22, 2024 at 07:48 PM ET
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06/22/24 07:48 PM ET
FSU & Clemson wanted easy scheduling model & 8 games playing 1 SEC team but
-- Stech
Jun 22, 2024 at 06:45 PM ET
Stech
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06/22/24 06:45 PM ET
Those folks would sell their mother’s soul to the devil..**
-- RJHokie
Jun 22, 2024 at 03:56 PM ET
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06/22/24 03:56 PM ET
Hokie, the figure you use for "TV subscriptions" looks, to me, a lot like
-- 33laszlo99
Jun 22, 2024 at 10:48 AM ET
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06/22/24 10:48 AM ET
Unless ESPN has some contractual incentive to exercise the option early...
-- SMU Pony
Jun 22, 2024 at 09:06 AM ET
SMU Pony
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06/22/24 09:06 AM ET
One reason may be in the current instability of the ACC and trying
-- VTCALS72
Jun 22, 2024 at 10:54 AM ET
VTCALS72
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06/22/24 10:54 AM ET
I think that instability is part of why they haven't exercised it yet...
-- SMU Pony
Jun 22, 2024 at 03:05 PM ET
SMU Pony
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06/22/24 03:05 PM ET
There has been zero good reporting on the ESPN acc contract
-- SpeakToDamien
Jun 21, 2024 at 09:06 PM ET
SpeakToDamien
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06/21/24 09:06 PM ET
Does anyone know the exact wording of the composition clause? This
-- Big12 guy
Jun 21, 2024 at 12:15 PM ET
Big12 guy
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06/21/24 12:15 PM ET
Four score and seven years ago...**
-- VTBoar
Jun 21, 2024 at 08:37 PM ET
VTBoar
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06/21/24 08:37 PM ET
As I understood it, the ACC had pro rata for their adds to the conference.
-- Maroon Baboon
Jun 21, 2024 at 12:13 PM ET
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06/21/24 12:13 PM ET
Find it hard to believe ESPN wasn't consulted before Sta/Cal/SMU were added**
-- HokieNoVA
Jun 21, 2024 at 02:12 PM ET
HokieNoVA
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06/21/24 02:12 PM ET
I still believe ESPN was more than "consulted" Driving the additions?, yes.**
-- VTCALS72
Jun 22, 2024 at 08:20 AM ET
VTCALS72
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06/22/24 08:20 AM ET
Interesting. Did the ACC choose SMU over Wazzu and Oregon State?
-- Maroon Baboon
Jun 21, 2024 at 08:05 PM ET
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06/21/24 08:05 PM ET
I think SMU was a really good addition. I think they'll be in the top 6
-- TDVick
Jun 23, 2024 at 07:39 PM ET
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06/23/24 07:39 PM ET
Oregon State President wasn't interested
-- HOO86
Jun 21, 2024 at 08:17 PM ET
HOO86
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06/21/24 08:17 PM ET
I wonder what Stanford and Cal think of WSU and OSU.
-- Maroon Baboon
Jun 21, 2024 at 08:23 PM ET
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06/21/24 08:23 PM ET
All I know is that the didn't want to rebuild PAC12 with them
-- HOO86
Jun 21, 2024 at 09:09 PM ET
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06/21/24 09:09 PM ET
Nevada and CSU to ACC - We are living in bizarro world. All Coast Conferenc**
-- AnotherTechW
Jun 22, 2024 at 07:02 AM ET
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06/22/24 07:02 AM ET
If they weren't, then the ACC brass made the move to protect the contract.
-- Big12 guy
Jun 21, 2024 at 05:03 PM ET
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06/21/24 05:03 PM ET
Composition Clauses Expanded/Clarifications
-- INSIDE99
Jun 21, 2024 at 01:05 PM ET
INSIDE99
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06/21/24 01:05 PM ET
OK. But what about the pro rata?
-- Maroon Baboon
Jun 21, 2024 at 01:46 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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06/21/24 01:46 PM ET
Adding markets and not paying them adds money, yes **
-- INSIDE99
Jun 21, 2024 at 01:57 PM ET
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06/21/24 01:57 PM ET
But is the pro-rata clause part of the ACC-ESPN deal, or no?
-- Maroon Baboon
Jun 21, 2024 at 02:03 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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06/21/24 02:03 PM ET
The pro rata was automatic for P5 adds
-- mrcaniac
Jun 21, 2024 at 06:58 PM ET
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06/21/24 06:58 PM ET
Sounds right. I forgot about the P5 angle.
-- Maroon Baboon
Jun 21, 2024 at 08:00 PM ET
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06/21/24 08:00 PM ET
WSU and OSU couldn't afford to come in to the ACC at a discounted rate
-- mrcaniac
Jun 21, 2024 at 09:52 PM ET
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06/21/24 09:52 PM ET
Without the wording of the contract, the speculation is at
-- Big12 guy
Jun 21, 2024 at 12:41 PM ET
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06/21/24 12:41 PM ET
As has repeatedly been said.......
-- 2hhoop3
Jun 21, 2024 at 12:48 PM ET
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06/21/24 12:48 PM ET
We don’t know who he/she is with that handle, but we do know Will does and
-- Stech
Jun 21, 2024 at 01:04 PM ET
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06/21/24 01:04 PM ET
TJ Pittinger was Talking a Lot About This Composition Clause Kicking in
-- WarHog38
Jun 21, 2024 at 04:06 PM ET
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06/21/24 04:06 PM ET
So are you saying Inside99 is TJ Pittinger?**
-- Stech
Jun 21, 2024 at 04:58 PM ET
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06/21/24 04:58 PM ET
The Links That Inside99 Provides are Beyond Pittinger's Grasp From What I
-- WarHog38
Jun 21, 2024 at 05:28 PM ET
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06/21/24 05:28 PM ET
Who is UNC going to sue? Their Board of Governors?
-- VTCALS72
Jun 22, 2024 at 08:32 AM ET
VTCALS72
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06/22/24 08:32 AM ET
Just Assuming That UNC Would Get that BOG Interference Resolved
-- WarHog38
Jun 22, 2024 at 03:03 PM ET
WarHog38
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06/22/24 03:03 PM ET
Not Talking About Legal or Real Names
-- WarHog38
Jun 22, 2024 at 03:10 AM ET
WarHog38
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06/22/24 03:10 AM ET
Reply to Josh Pate - Wooo Pig Sooie!
-- INSIDE99
Jun 22, 2024 at 12:02 PM ET
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06/22/24 12:02 PM ET
Thank you for our share in the favor, but VT fans have been on the
-- Maroon Baboon
Jun 21, 2024 at 05:21 PM ET
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06/21/24 05:21 PM ET
I am leaning toward believing you know what you are talking about. My
-- Stech
Jun 21, 2024 at 02:54 PM ET
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06/21/24 02:54 PM ET
This board has a propensity to yank one back on the
-- Big12 guy
Jun 21, 2024 at 05:10 PM ET
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06/21/24 05:10 PM ET
I'm not sure what "reservation" and "echo chamber" you are talking about,
-- Maroon Baboon
Jun 21, 2024 at 05:26 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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06/21/24 05:26 PM ET
I meant it as a compliment, not a dig.
-- Big12 guy
Jun 21, 2024 at 05:31 PM ET
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06/21/24 05:31 PM ET
Apologies if I misunderstood. **
-- Maroon Baboon
Jun 21, 2024 at 06:06 PM ET
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06/21/24 06:06 PM ET
So no matter if he is right or not, you won't believe he knew anything? Do
-- Stech
Jun 21, 2024 at 02:35 PM ET
Stech
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06/21/24 02:35 PM ET
I’m not sure what you’re asking about on this, can you give me more detail?**
-- Stech
Jun 21, 2024 at 04:57 PM ET
Stech
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06/21/24 04:57 PM ET
Your questions don't make sense
-- INSIDE99
Jun 21, 2024 at 11:59 PM ET
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06/21/24 11:59 PM ET
You have already said that if he is right, you are still not going to
-- Stech
Jun 22, 2024 at 11:03 AM ET
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06/22/24 11:03 AM ET
It's your turn, what do U think is going to happen? FSU & Clemson staying?
-- Stech
Jun 22, 2024 at 01:00 PM ET
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06/22/24 01:00 PM ET
You're the one not paying attention IMHO, can you tell me where I stand on
-- Stech
Jun 22, 2024 at 01:44 PM ET
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06/22/24 01:44 PM ET
That was fairly accurate, if I had my way the ACC would make as much money
-- Stech
Jun 22, 2024 at 02:43 PM ET
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06/22/24 02:43 PM ET
You thought at one time it was possible for the ACC to make as much as the
-- NokieHokie
Jun 22, 2024 at 03:08 PM ET
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06/22/24 03:08 PM ET
Early on yes, with Miami, FSU, Clemson winning Natty’s, & VT top 5-10,
-- Stech
Jun 22, 2024 at 04:06 PM ET
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06/22/24 04:06 PM ET
I agree that the ACC had a window, it was small and closed fast. The ACC
-- NokieHokie
Jun 22, 2024 at 04:09 PM ET
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06/22/24 04:09 PM ET
Easy scheduling model buried ACC football. Terrible TV ratings, FSU, Miami
-- Stech
Jun 22, 2024 at 06:52 PM ET
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06/22/24 06:52 PM ET
Yep. And Frank loved his Coastal schedule, as well.**
-- Femoyer Hokie
Jun 22, 2024 at 08:53 PM ET
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06/22/24 08:53 PM ET
Most Coaches want an easy schedule, but it’s up to the Commissioner to stop
-- Stech
Jun 22, 2024 at 11:30 PM ET
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06/22/24 11:30 PM ET
You also had some poor leadership at the schools’ level too. **
-- RJHokie
Jun 22, 2024 at 07:06 PM ET
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06/22/24 07:06 PM ET
ACC had bball-loving loser leadership.**
-- NokieHokie
Jun 22, 2024 at 06:54 PM ET
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06/22/24 06:54 PM ET
Did you initially believe FSU would not be able to leave the ACC? Or have
-- Stech
Jun 22, 2024 at 03:53 PM ET
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06/22/24 03:53 PM ET
Okay, I definitely I had the impression you didn’t think they could leave
-- Stech
Jun 22, 2024 at 04:27 PM ET
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06/22/24 04:27 PM ET
Inflections do not come across well on these boards, so most,
-- Big12 guy
Jun 21, 2024 at 12:55 PM ET
Big12 guy
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06/21/24 12:55 PM ET
Inflections do not need.......
-- 2hhoop3
Jun 21, 2024 at 01:02 PM ET
2hhoop3
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06/21/24 01:02 PM ET
It only makes sense that the composition clause pertains to who are members
-- WBGV
Jun 21, 2024 at 11:53 AM ET
WBGV
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06/21/24 11:53 AM ET
Currently the ACC has the media rights of 14.5 members
-- mrcaniac
Jun 21, 2024 at 10:11 AM ET
mrcaniac
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06/21/24 10:11 AM ET
He’s saying the Composition Clause is triggered with two schools no matter
-- Stech
Jun 21, 2024 at 11:54 AM ET
Stech
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06/21/24 11:54 AM ET
do you have any confirmation that the extension thing is actually real
-- daveinop
Jun 21, 2024 at 08:25 AM ET
daveinop
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06/21/24 08:25 AM ET
First post you said subtract or add 2 teams. So wouldn't it trigger soon?
-- HokieAl
Jun 21, 2024 at 11:36 AM ET
HokieAl
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06/21/24 11:36 AM ET
you are helping to make my point
-- daveinop
Jun 21, 2024 at 01:16 PM ET
daveinop
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06/21/24 01:16 PM ET
so you are saying that ESPN just approved composition changes to a contract
-- daveinop
Jun 22, 2024 at 10:53 AM ET
daveinop
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06/22/24 10:53 AM ET
I expect silly and surprising stuff to happen in realignment but
-- daveinop
Jun 22, 2024 at 07:28 PM ET
daveinop
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06/22/24 07:28 PM ET
The ACC just added 3 schools that avoids composition clause issues
-- Femoyer Hokie
Jun 21, 2024 at 10:31 AM ET
Femoyer Hokie
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06/21/24 10:31 AM ET
The B12 lost OU and TX, and their $ went up.
-- Truthahn
Jun 21, 2024 at 11:41 AM ET
Truthahn
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06/21/24 11:41 AM ET
My understanding is the three pending additions were voted in to
-- Femoyer Hokie
Jun 21, 2024 at 10:48 AM ET
Femoyer Hokie
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06/21/24 10:48 AM ET
They are not official members yet...**
-- VintonHokies
Jun 21, 2024 at 10:34 AM ET
VintonHokies
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06/21/24 10:34 AM ET
Are you sure about the IMMEDIATE?
-- VTCALS72
Jun 21, 2024 at 07:37 AM ET
VTCALS72
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06/21/24 07:37 AM ET
But what does VT "survival" look like?
-- VTCALS72
Jun 21, 2024 at 07:48 AM ET
VTCALS72
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06/21/24 07:48 AM ET
Survival depends on what ESPN does with the ACC
-- HokieAl
Jun 21, 2024 at 08:30 AM ET
HokieAl
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06/21/24 08:30 AM ET
Current level of money does not allow us to "keep up."
-- VTCALS72
Jun 21, 2024 at 10:49 AM ET
VTCALS72
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06/21/24 10:49 AM ET
Football will survive, we will keep investing there. Olympic Men’s Sports
-- Stech
Jun 21, 2024 at 08:57 AM ET
Stech
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06/21/24 08:57 AM ET
You can take the thought of endowment helping at VT
-- Pylons
Jun 21, 2024 at 10:25 AM ET
Pylons
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06/21/24 10:25 AM ET
Please explain why UVA can do it but Tech cannot do it?
-- Stech
Jun 21, 2024 at 11:44 AM ET
Stech
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06/21/24 11:44 AM ET
Endowment: UVA = $13.6B UNC =$10.6B VT <$2B**
-- 133919Hokie
Jun 21, 2024 at 01:42 PM ET
133919Hokie
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06/21/24 01:42 PM ET
Can't do as much, but that's certainly not chicken feed either.**
-- Stech
Jun 21, 2024 at 02:56 PM ET
Stech
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06/21/24 02:56 PM ET
You are saying they can do it too, but the ~1.7 Billion isn't enough to do
-- Stech
Jun 21, 2024 at 02:47 PM ET
Stech
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06/21/24 02:47 PM ET
All excellent points, which is why I think that some Men’s Sports could
-- Stech
Jun 21, 2024 at 03:39 PM ET
Stech
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06/21/24 03:39 PM ET
Could be. Can't necessarily do much of (just) that though
-- Pylons
Jun 21, 2024 at 03:50 PM ET
Pylons
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06/21/24 03:50 PM ET
85 football scholarships have to be made up on the Women’s side, correct?
-- Stech
Jun 21, 2024 at 04:05 PM ET
Stech
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06/21/24 04:05 PM ET
The distribution of scholarships has to stay
-- Pylons
Jun 21, 2024 at 04:14 PM ET
Pylons
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06/21/24 04:14 PM ET
K-State was looking down the barrel of the Mountain West a couple of Years
-- Big12 guy
Jun 21, 2024 at 08:05 AM ET
Big12 guy
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06/21/24 08:05 AM ET