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SpeakToDamien

No offense meant. And Greenberg is a great firm

But litigators with rich emotional clients make ridiculous arguments all the time.
Posted: 06/08/2024 at 03:25 PM ET
(In response to this post by lawhokie)

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The Atlantic Coast Conference has asked an appeals court to put on hold a
WBGV • 06/07/24 02:05 PM ET
Yeah, it’s never a good idea to ignore opinions from the court …
lawhokie • 06/07/24 04:16 PM ET
In your lawhokie opinion
VTCALS72 • 06/08/24 08:28 AM ET
Let's sort some things out and maybe you'll have a more cogent question:
33laszlo99 • 06/09/24 07:02 PM ET
Well, in a concise way, maybe liquidated damages isn't the right word
VTCALS72 • 06/09/24 08:01 PM ET
If the parties to the GoR wanted the value of the "Grant" to be equal to
33laszlo99 • 06/09/24 08:20 PM ET
I see a serious problem in the wording of the grant to ESPN
lawhokie • 06/08/24 08:53 AM ET
Certainly I am not a lawyer but
VTCALS72 • 06/08/24 12:19 PM ET
So you thinking now, FSU, Clemson, Va Tech and State to the SEC, UVA, UNC,
Stech • 06/09/24 04:09 PM ET
I approve this message **
VaTechHokiesACC • 06/09/24 11:16 PM ET
I have no idea about that
VTCALS72 • 06/09/24 04:38 PM ET
Interesting, what schools r saying that Tech and State aren’t P2 material?
Stech • 06/09/24 07:43 PM ET
I think I would answer that by asking how many times you have heard
VTCALS72 • 06/09/24 07:53 PM ET
So I take that as Podcasters with an agenda are your sources, not schools,
Stech • 06/09/24 08:12 PM ET
Not and insider and are only offering my take
VTCALS72 • 06/09/24 09:24 PM ET
Been saying this 4 about a year, for the ACC to let the big rating schools
Stech • 06/09/24 09:42 PM ET
Let me be sure I understand
VTCALS72 • 06/10/24 08:41 AM ET
I think the ESPN can work out an agreement to save the ACC even if the 7+1
Stech • 06/10/24 12:00 PM ET
We are in agreement except for the more than 2-4 schools
VTCALS72 • 06/10/24 12:04 PM ET
First round could be 2-4, but I think the whole Mag 7+1 goes P2 over time,
Stech • 06/10/24 01:17 PM ET
I think many ACC teams, just like many PAC and B12 teams, will
Big12 guy • 06/09/24 05:37 PM ET
We have hashed it out and finally come to an agreement
VTCALS72 • 06/09/24 06:07 PM ET
There will be no new PAC for the 100th time. We will no agree
Big12 guy • 06/09/24 07:08 PM ET
There will a New PAC, but it will be a G5 conference.
33laszlo99 • 06/09/24 09:28 PM ET
The poster was inferring that there will be a PAC at the same level
Big12 guy • 06/09/24 09:45 PM ET
Lot of talk about the PAC coming back and the west coast is pretty spread
VTCALS72 • 06/09/24 08:03 PM ET
Geographically, it makes sense to have the PAC 12. The problem is that
Big12 guy • 06/09/24 08:11 PM ET
now we are back to disagreeing.
VTCALS72 • 06/09/24 09:26 PM ET
They were not placed there. They were lucky, like all
Big12 guy • 06/09/24 09:37 PM ET
We disagree again you way over value the Big 12, understandable but still
VTCALS72 • 06/10/24 09:01 AM ET
We will forever disagree on the value of the B12, and
Big12 guy • 06/10/24 09:32 AM ET
Your 2nd paragraph is BS, 3rd too
VTCALS72 • 06/10/24 12:19 PM ET
What you call BS is me disagreeing with you. Neither my opinion,
Big12 guy • 06/10/24 01:04 PM ET
You really need........
2hhoop3 • 06/10/24 10:05 AM ET
The contract details are not known to either one of us. You know the
Big12 guy • 06/10/24 10:34 AM ET
Again you better.......
2hhoop3 • 06/10/24 11:03 AM ET
Again, you are comparing the current ACC contract with that of the
Big12 guy • 06/10/24 01:00 PM ET
You seem to ..........
2hhoop3 • 06/10/24 01:22 PM ET
Without looking back at my post, I was referring to the media contracts,
Big12 guy • 06/10/24 01:29 PM ET
I do not......
2hhoop3 • 06/10/24 01:36 PM ET
Fair, and my post was to point out the
Big12 guy • 06/10/24 01:40 PM ET
The ACC is a joke. But not as much of a joke as the Big 12.**
NokieHokie • 06/10/24 01:51 PM ET
I disagree with both statements. **
Big12 guy • 06/10/24 02:34 PM ET
Of course you do.**
NokieHokie • 06/10/24 03:31 PM ET
At present......
2hhoop3 • 06/10/24 01:47 PM ET
I agree with this. **
Big12 guy • 06/10/24 02:33 PM ET
What in your opinion.......
2hhoop3 • 06/09/24 09:54 PM ET
$$$$$$$**
VaTechHokiesACC • 06/09/24 11:18 PM ET
The media? As we have understood what power conference have been
Big12 guy • 06/09/24 10:00 PM ET
I think there are several.......
2hhoop3 • 06/10/24 01:43 AM ET
The CFP Committee identified the upper tier of FBS (NCAA terminology) by
33laszlo99 • 06/09/24 10:23 PM ET
In that case, it's time to jettison baggage
hokie_jayhawk • 06/09/24 06:19 PM ET
What "big state schools?" IMHO this mid level will not have 16 teams
VTCALS72 • 06/09/24 08:07 PM ET
Too late for that. You will have to join a new conference if
Big12 guy • 06/09/24 07:56 PM ET
Respectfully disagree...
SMU Pony • 06/08/24 09:27 AM ET
The GOR is a mess, and here is why…
lawhokie • 06/08/24 10:41 AM ET
That's a ridiculous interpretation
SpeakToDamien • 06/08/24 02:16 PM ET
So as a former member, FSU would be a “current member”…
lawhokie • 06/08/24 03:22 PM ET
No offense meant. And Greenberg is a great firm ◄
SpeakToDamien • 06/08/24 03:25 PM ET
"Member Institution" simply means each school that signed the original GOR
SMU Pony • 06/08/24 11:04 AM ET
The first paragraph weighs heavily against that interpretation…
lawhokie • 06/08/24 03:20 PM ET
It’s the status of the institution at the time of signing, right?
Marooned • 06/08/24 11:09 AM ET
Interesting but don't they borrow and issue bonds
VTCALS72 • 06/08/24 12:23 PM ET
Debt issuance is different than a revenue contract.
RJHokie • 06/08/24 12:57 PM ET
That's an interesting point...
SMU Pony • 06/08/24 11:16 AM ET
Selling off 5% of an athletic department is nonsensical
Pylons • 06/09/24 03:50 PM ET
Pretty much.......
2hhoop3 • 06/09/24 04:02 PM ET
a university athletic department doesn't fall under "pretty much"
Pylons • 06/09/24 04:34 PM ET
Your first paragraph.......
2hhoop3 • 06/09/24 05:33 PM ET
It is semantics. And, to me, an important distinction.
Pylons • 06/09/24 06:21 PM ET
Why not?.......
2hhoop3 • 06/09/24 06:27 PM ET
Well, really, my initial point was that
Pylons • 06/09/24 06:45 PM ET
Thanks for the reply........
2hhoop3 • 06/09/24 06:54 PM ET
I don't see decision making getting murky
Pylons • 06/09/24 07:27 PM ET
You called......
2hhoop3 • 06/09/24 07:47 PM ET
Where have you seen PE take on any sort of decision making power
Pylons • 06/09/24 08:09 PM ET
Read the previous post again......
2hhoop3 • 06/09/24 08:19 PM ET
I'm not sure if the GOR is jeopardized if ESPN drops the ACC, but...
EDGEMAN • 06/08/24 09:29 AM ET
I think it is...
SMU Pony • 06/08/24 09:34 AM ET
So if the mouse drops the ACC, then couldn't the GOR signees put the group
IB4TECH • 06/09/24 01:36 PM ET
Yeah, I think the consideration is the ESPN deal
SpeakToDamien • 06/08/24 02:44 PM ET
I agree with Frank
VTCALS72 • 06/08/24 12:26 PM ET
If ESPN drops the ACC contract, they will start working on new media....
EDGEMAN • 06/08/24 09:43 AM ET
ESPN made approx $150M in profit on the ACC Network last year
SMU Pony • 06/08/24 09:52 AM ET
What happens to those profits if FSU and Clemson leave? might impact espn**
wwhokie1 • 06/08/24 09:09 PM ET
not much, the higher rate for SC subs.
daveinop • 06/09/24 08:06 AM ET
There may be a benefit for having ACC schools in Texas in California, but
wwhokie1 • 06/09/24 08:04 PM ET
I can't believe the ACC did not have some sort of parachute penalty to
Maroon Unit • 06/08/24 09:39 AM ET
They could, for all we know...
SMU Pony • 06/08/24 09:45 AM ET
I don't find it that odd that ESPN has the unilateral power to not extend
VTHokie2000 • 06/08/24 10:33 AM ET
I don't think the unilateral option concept is odd
SMU Pony • 06/08/24 10:37 AM ET
could be that look ins are very common, think about the CFP "look in."**
VTCALS72 • 06/08/24 01:06 PM ET
As I noted in my previous post, it may go back to how much trust people had
VTHokie2000 • 06/08/24 10:49 AM ET
Clemson sued the ACC before the ACC sued Clemson
LeadingEdge • 06/07/24 02:36 PM ET
Does any of what goes on in a Fla, NC or SC state court really matter?
VTCALS72 • 06/08/24 08:17 AM ET
No.acc has little nexus with SC. A ton with NC. Plus same issue as fsu**
SpeakToDamien • 06/07/24 06:29 PM ET
Not necessarily........
2hhoop3 • 06/07/24 02:53 PM ET