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tarheelblue

It has already gone to court.

Posted: 02/17/2024 at 01:36 PM ET
(In response to this post by 133193Hokie)

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This FSU news looks like the beginning of a grand bargain.
TDVick • 02/17/24 05:02 AM ET
As a fan of VT and college football, what does all of this mean to me
astrohokiebob • 02/19/24 08:16 AM ET
Your Apple TV will be just fine. You don't need a smart TV
EDGEMAN • 02/19/24 10:12 AM ET
As a fan of VT, I just don't have any idea.
VTCALS72 • 02/19/24 09:18 AM ET
My opinion on your quesitons
Vienna_Hokie • 02/19/24 08:32 AM ET
Thanks VH... ah-ha the gambling angle - never thought I would see this**
astrohokiebob • 02/19/24 08:43 AM ET
The ultimate irony in sports betting is a sports book IN the Red's ballpark
Vienna_Hokie • 02/19/24 09:14 AM ET
Charlie Hustle was the team manager and he called his bookie on the
33laszlo99 • 02/19/24 02:50 PM ET
so now he could just walk up to the sports book in the stadium**
Vienna_Hokie • 02/19/24 05:04 PM ET
If we find out the value of just FSU, then it opens the door
HokieAl • 02/18/24 10:17 AM ET
Like stocks, valuing a business (FSU in this case) is mostly a crap shoot.
LowIQHOO • 02/17/24 06:00 PM ET
FSU already valued their media rights owned by the ACC at $572 Million
tarheelblue • 02/17/24 11:50 AM ET
When Maryland left the ACC I think they ended up paying about 60% of the
wwhokie1 • 02/17/24 07:16 PM ET
What Maryland and the ACC settled for was just the amount of money that the
tarheelblue • 02/17/24 07:22 PM ET
The reason for that settlement.....
2hhoop3 • 02/17/24 08:16 PM ET
their suit also claims the major component of that 572 is below market**
daveinop • 02/17/24 12:43 PM ET
both sides will settle in the $250-$350 range i think**
133193Hokie • 02/17/24 12:42 PM ET
I’m guessing 60% of exit fee of $130 million - $78 million**
WBGV • 02/17/24 04:19 PM ET
Will be much more if a settlement is reached **
Hokie83 • 02/17/24 05:24 PM ET
I believe that the GOR is going to be invalidated first and that will then
WBGV • 02/18/24 08:53 AM ET
Then the ACC will backfill with WVU, Cincy, and UCF
mrcaniac • 02/19/24 12:57 AM ET
All GOR’s are going to be invalidated no matter the Conference? Big 12 too?
Stech • 02/19/24 12:18 AM ET
It depends on the circumstances surrounding the signing of the GOR.
WBGV • 02/19/24 10:49 AM ET
LOL the poor little trustees at FSU got bullied by the big bad ACC execs...
SMU Pony • 02/19/24 08:55 PM ET
They signed it to get more money and a Conference Network, they got both.
Stech • 02/19/24 12:33 PM ET
There no “ACC hate” or “Big 12 hate” or any conference hate whatsoever.
WBGV • 02/19/24 02:15 PM ET
I’m not the moderator, just a long time poster here, who has seen the exact
Stech • 02/19/24 04:12 PM ET
My apologies for assuming that you were the moderator.
WBGV • 02/20/24 04:22 PM ET
Right!! The GOR is obviously rock solid since it hasn't been broken on
ancient alien 2018 • 02/18/24 09:06 PM ET
GOR seems pretty solid so far:)**
Hokie83 • 02/18/24 08:27 PM ET
Since the ACC GOR is essentially the same as the other conferences,
VTCALS72 • 02/18/24 12:36 PM ET
We have endless cases of exit fees being "enforced." The amount can be
33laszlo99 • 02/18/24 11:22 AM ET
Only if the ACC and every other league thinks the GOR is a losing deal
VTCALS72 • 02/18/24 12:38 PM ET
Yeah, his estimate is not anywhere near reality from what I hear, unless
Stech • 02/17/24 07:36 PM ET
The other problem is that FSU set that as the FLOOR, not the ceiling...
SMU Pony • 02/17/24 11:57 AM ET
I'm not sure if your and THB points are different, but consider that ESPN
TDVick • 02/17/24 12:57 PM ET
This is where I part ways with some on this board. The ACC is not
Big12 guy • 02/17/24 12:21 PM ET
there are at least 7 members that won't be too upset if ESPN doesn't renew
daveinop • 02/17/24 01:44 PM ET
I'm not sure why because the GOR continues until 2037.
HOO86 • 02/17/24 02:36 PM ET
I don't see them not renewing either
daveinop • 02/18/24 01:49 PM ET
It may very well be a good deal for ESPN. At the same time, I do wonder if
VTHokie2000 • 02/18/24 05:49 PM ET
It looks to me like the ACC is being somewhat agreeable with FSU, because
TDVick • 02/17/24 01:16 PM ET
You're assuming the GOR dies if the ESPN contract dies
SMU Pony • 02/17/24 12:36 PM ET
You are correct that I'm assuming the two are linked. Without a media deal,
Big12 guy • 02/17/24 01:11 PM ET
It's not about what FSU would make in the ACC, it's about what they make
wwhokie1 • 02/17/24 06:56 PM ET
Good luck with that if this goes to trial. **
Big12 guy • 02/17/24 11:44 PM ET
Technically, I think the benefit would go to ESPN
tarheelblue • 02/17/24 07:16 PM ET
My understanding is that it would not be based on the ACC's contract.
wwhokie1 • 02/17/24 07:20 PM ET
As I said, FSU granted those rights to the ACC who then sold them to ESPN
tarheelblue • 02/17/24 07:25 PM ET
They are not linked.
HOO86 • 02/17/24 02:54 PM ET
FSU granted their media rights to the ACC, not ESPN...
SMU Pony • 02/17/24 01:37 PM ET
No agenda here, I just find the realignment issue very interesting
Big12 guy • 02/17/24 02:02 PM ET
Why doesn't the GOR expire in 2027?
SMU Pony • 02/17/24 02:46 PM ET
And they probably should have, but they didn't.
wwhokie1 • 02/17/24 07:08 PM ET
You can assume away......
2hhoop3 • 02/17/24 01:30 PM ET
Having a court ruling is too risky in my opinion, and is why
Big12 guy • 02/17/24 02:10 PM ET
All depends how and what......
2hhoop3 • 02/17/24 02:19 PM ET
The networks and the conferences need the GOR's for the
Big12 guy • 02/17/24 03:21 PM ET
Thank you......
2hhoop3 • 02/17/24 03:35 PM ET
The ACC can negotiate a settlement now with FSU, and get paid now, or
Big12 guy • 02/17/24 03:40 PM ET
Nothing was ever said......
2hhoop3 • 02/17/24 03:45 PM ET
They risk the GOR being nullified - when this goes to trial. They have
Big12 guy • 02/17/24 03:48 PM ET
I have already told......
2hhoop3 • 02/17/24 03:59 PM ET
The ACC's very existence, as you state, could be at risk. The ACC, has a
Big12 guy • 02/17/24 04:19 PM ET
Tarheel Blue......
2hhoop3 • 02/17/24 04:26 PM ET
I just happen to disagree with you. So far, all of your explaining
Big12 guy • 02/17/24 05:24 PM ET
That's fine......
2hhoop3 • 02/17/24 05:40 PM ET
Well, unless a school being added to a conference brings more money
Big12 guy • 02/17/24 06:09 PM ET
If the top .........
2hhoop3 • 02/17/24 06:26 PM ET
I don't see the top 7 ACC schools bringing more than 60-80M a year
Big12 guy • 02/19/24 11:18 AM ET
It doesn't matter at that point. The ACC needs to stay intact. **
Big12 guy • 02/17/24 11:45 PM ET
UNC fixed their empty seat problem by reducing seating capacity.
tarheelblue • 02/17/24 06:12 PM ET
I certainly want it to go to trial.
tarheelblue • 02/17/24 03:54 PM ET
FSU is bound by the GOR if a judge tells them they are.
tarheelblue • 02/17/24 01:27 PM ET
Isn’t that one of FSU’s claims that they aren’t guaranteed anything after
WBGV • 02/18/24 08:05 AM ET
Do you think this will actually go to trial? I would be shocked
Big12 guy • 02/17/24 03:35 PM ET
Yes I think there is a very good chance that this actually goes to trial.
tarheelblue • 02/17/24 03:46 PM ET
But a judge is not going to tell them that - this will not go to
133193Hokie • 02/17/24 01:32 PM ET
It has already gone to court.** ◄
tarheelblue • 02/17/24 01:36 PM ET
I guess I should have said that it will not go to trial or be litigated ;-)**
133193Hokie • 02/18/24 08:20 AM ET
I do not see why.....
2hhoop3 • 02/17/24 12:36 PM ET
“do not see why… not risk litigating...”
33laszlo99 • 02/17/24 03:33 PM ET
If the settlement is less than $200 million........
2hhoop3 • 02/17/24 03:39 PM ET
That could happen, but I think, at most, four or five will go.
33laszlo99 • 02/17/24 05:20 PM ET
I agree **
133193Hokie • 02/18/24 08:22 AM ET
Yes - to all of that. It is my understanding that a long GOR
Big12 guy • 02/17/24 01:04 PM ET
Letting FSU out would open the floodgates to many other schools leaving.
tarheelblue • 02/17/24 01:31 PM ET
It depends on the money involved. If FSU wins their suit, and gets out
Big12 guy • 02/17/24 02:08 PM ET
$100-$250M divided 14 ways over 12 years is chump change**
tarheelblue • 02/17/24 02:16 PM ET
WSU and Oregon State delayed.......
2hhoop3 • 02/17/24 01:20 PM ET
FMV is a big problem here..
jesuisvtguy • 02/17/24 11:06 AM ET
The B1G went full Robber Baron on UO and UW.
Maroon Baboon • 02/17/24 11:58 AM ET
The analogy is spot on.**
Big12 guy • 02/17/24 12:22 PM ET
#2 is spot on The B1G has made some very smart moves - they know how to
133193Hokie • 02/17/24 11:24 AM ET
When you're not worth.....
2hhoop3 • 02/17/24 12:43 PM ET
Alternatively, the Big Ten has killed college athletics
SMU Pony • 02/17/24 12:00 PM ET
Just wait until the BigTen eliminates some schools
HokieToph • 02/17/24 05:51 PM ET
Rutgers and Maryland were not added to The B1G for their FB reputation.
33laszlo99 • 02/18/24 09:00 PM ET
You could have.....
2hhoop3 • 02/18/24 09:08 PM ET
Yeah, Nielsen loves NYC.**
33laszlo99 • 02/18/24 09:17 PM ET
Addition by subtraction is a very real risk in the future.
tarheelblue • 02/17/24 06:07 PM ET
Notre Dame in The B1G will not change much for Purdue and Indiana. The
33laszlo99 • 02/18/24 09:13 PM ET
Indiana has value as a basketball brand, but what value does Purdue bring?**
tarheelblue • 02/18/24 09:19 PM ET
There will still be some form of rationalization but as part of a larger
133193Hokie • 02/17/24 12:46 PM ET
If B1G could replace Purdue and Northwestern with Arizona and Utah
tarheelblue • 02/17/24 12:57 PM ET
I also believe B1G needs at least one more in the West, maybe two.**
33laszlo99 • 02/18/24 09:23 PM ET
Texas is the culprit. **
Big12 guy • 02/17/24 12:23 PM ET
Are they, though?
SMU Pony • 02/17/24 12:29 PM ET
Would you rather watch SMU play ECU?**
tarheelblue • 02/17/24 12:15 PM ET
Absolutely not. I'll be on the front row in Winston-Salem when we play Wake**
SMU Pony • 02/17/24 12:18 PM ET
Good post. Two things.
Maroon Baboon • 02/17/24 10:20 AM ET
If we go #2
MrFantastic! • 02/17/24 10:32 AM ET
We know the SEC doesn't want Miami.
EDGEMAN • 02/17/24 11:02 AM ET
Disagree. The SEC has considered Miami in the past...
SMU Pony • 02/17/24 12:02 PM ET
Miami has about 50 traveling fans, and doesn't play in their own stadium
EDGEMAN • 02/17/24 02:20 PM ET
I think the B1G goes hard after Miami. The B1G/Fox can "sell" the heck out
133193Hokie • 02/17/24 12:49 PM ET
Agreed. Big market, AAU, lots of Big Ten alumni living there...
SMU Pony • 02/17/24 12:51 PM ET
I am afraid of #2.**
133193Hokie • 02/17/24 10:29 AM ET
Good points...
MrFantastic! • 02/17/24 10:28 AM ET
Think of an SEC pod of VT, USC, Kentucky, Tenn, WVU, NCST
133193Hokie • 02/17/24 10:33 AM ET
Big POD will not be Big East like but
MrFantastic! • 02/17/24 10:34 AM ET
There was ALWAYS going to be a "bargain" - i.e. agreed upon settlement
133193Hokie • 02/17/24 10:11 AM ET
I suppose FSU knows the BIG desires them**
MrFantastic! • 02/17/24 10:17 AM ET
If I were betting $, I would bet FSU wants the B1G and UNC wants the SEC.
133193Hokie • 02/17/24 10:27 AM ET
I agree with
MrFantastic! • 02/17/24 10:36 AM ET
Agreed. If I were the SEC king for a day......
133193Hokie • 02/17/24 10:48 AM ET
If I am SEC
MrFantastic! • 02/17/24 11:22 AM ET
Yea - I thought about Neb and Colo - but I dont see the value compared
133193Hokie • 02/17/24 11:27 AM ET
So..., my pods would be
133193Hokie • 02/17/24 11:15 AM ET
I raise my price - F$U can leave if they give the ACC $5B today
EDGEMAN • 02/17/24 09:51 AM ET
As to the UNC/NCSU & UVa/VT issues
Vippie1 • 02/17/24 08:30 AM ET