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You may be right that it is more complicated and most ADs treat it that way
At the same time many of those same schools may have been involved in the NCAA's fight to try to get Title IX repealed. Even if the ADs aren't intentionally treating it as a zero sum game now, they may be doing it on a subconscious level though particularly in some of the narratives ADs give publicly when they announce the cutting of men's sports and the addition of women's sports.
Here's an example from 2006 when JMU decided to cut 10 teams that I think supports their premise.
"In late September of 2006, the Board of Visitors at James Madison University announced a plan to cut a total of ten teams (7 men’s and 3 women’s), effective July 1, 2007 in an effort to address what was described as an “insurmountable challenge” to comply with Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 due to the athletics program being “unusually large for a public university” of its size (Staff, September 29, 2006). The decision will affect 144 athletes (eight of whom are on athletic scholarships) and 11 coaches (three full time and eight part time). With assurances that every avenue had been explored prior to reaching their decision, associate vice-president of communications Andy Perrine elaborated, “We would not have done it [cut teams] if not for Title IX. There was just about no way we could add more women’s programs and afford it and be in compliance” (Redden, 2006). Citing the ten point gap in the percentage of women within the student body compared to women in the athletic program (roughly 61% to 51%), vice president for finance and administration Charles King wrote in his November 2006 newsletter, “We could not continue to be out of compliance with this important federal law, which requires institutions to have a percentage of varsity athletes that is about the same by ratio as the student body. At JMU, this means that approximately 60% of our varsity athletes must be women.”
https://sportslitigationalert.com/james-madison-universit...
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ACC mens Lacrosse
-- Sunsetunderground
Jun 01, 2022 at 03:02 PM ET
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06/01/22 03:02 PM ET
LAX to me is the least enjoyable game of all of our games to watch. The
-- IB4TECH
Jun 08, 2022 at 11:04 AM ET
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06/08/22 11:04 AM ET
ACC Schools have been adding Women's LAX lately.
-- HOO86
Jun 01, 2022 at 06:48 PM ET
HOO86
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06/01/22 06:48 PM ET
Given that Title IX is the law of the land, do you think those 5 schools
-- VTHokie2000
Jun 01, 2022 at 07:34 PM ET
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06/01/22 07:34 PM ET
Old Article on Louisville suggests adding women's gymnastics
-- Truthahn
Jun 02, 2022 at 01:17 PM ET
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06/02/22 01:17 PM ET
Clemson is in process of adding Women's Gymnastics
-- HOO86
Jun 02, 2022 at 02:27 PM ET
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06/02/22 02:27 PM ET
Even if the article is outdated, it does present a reasonable justification
-- VTHokie2000
Jun 02, 2022 at 02:15 PM ET
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06/02/22 02:15 PM ET
No I don't advise cutting anything.
-- HOO86
Jun 02, 2022 at 09:22 AM ET
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06/02/22 09:22 AM ET
Oh I agree with you. I hate seeing a school cut a men's sport (or sports)
-- VTHokie2000
Jun 02, 2022 at 02:32 PM ET
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06/02/22 02:32 PM ET
Probably because it requires adding another women's sport
-- EDGEMAN
Jun 01, 2022 at 04:16 PM ET
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06/01/22 04:16 PM ET
We should get a couple of teams to do it at once to avoid that.
-- Truthahn
Jun 02, 2022 at 01:28 PM ET
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06/02/22 01:28 PM ET
I would love to see how Army and Navy
-- Sunsetunderground
Jun 02, 2022 at 12:47 PM ET
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06/02/22 12:47 PM ET
I think academies match their student body ratio
-- Truthahn
Jun 03, 2022 at 11:50 AM ET
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06/03/22 11:50 AM ET
Correct. The rule is not a 50/50 split of opportunity, it is
-- Pylons
Jun 04, 2022 at 07:07 PM ET
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06/04/22 07:07 PM ET
This would be true for anything added.
-- HOO86
Jun 01, 2022 at 07:32 PM ET
HOO86
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06/01/22 07:32 PM ET
Here are 2 DI bylaws that may address the topic.
-- VTHokie2000
Jun 01, 2022 at 08:09 PM ET
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06/01/22 08:09 PM ET
Unlike soccer, where you an go international...
-- EDGEMAN
Jun 01, 2022 at 07:48 PM ET
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06/01/22 07:48 PM ET
That all depends on who the coaches are
-- HOO86
Jun 02, 2022 at 09:25 AM ET
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06/02/22 09:25 AM ET
I found a website which claims lacrosse is played in 78 countries.
-- VTHokie2000
Jun 01, 2022 at 08:28 PM ET
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06/01/22 08:28 PM ET
Or go the Richmond route: add men's Lax, cut men's soccer AND men's track.**
-- J-Dub
Jun 01, 2022 at 04:34 PM ET
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06/01/22 04:34 PM ET
According to The Meadowlarks, most DI schools have been treating this issue
-- VTHokie2000
Jun 02, 2022 at 02:42 PM ET
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06/02/22 02:42 PM ET
You may be right that it is more complicated and most ADs treat it that way
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-- VTHokie2000
Jun 02, 2022 at 03:39 PM ET
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06/02/22 03:39 PM ET
That's not happening **
-- VaTechHokiesACC
Jun 01, 2022 at 11:58 PM ET
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06/01/22 11:58 PM ET
Agreed. VT isn't adding men's lacrosse.
-- J-Dub
Jun 02, 2022 at 08:56 AM ET
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06/02/22 08:56 AM ET
Not financial prudent in this environment
-- Mercury
Jun 06, 2022 at 09:16 AM ET
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06/06/22 09:16 AM ET
Richmond added it recently and is doing well.
-- Truthahn
Jun 02, 2022 at 01:37 PM ET
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06/02/22 01:37 PM ET
With the transfer portal and an excellent coaching hire....
-- Old Line Hokie
Jun 02, 2022 at 02:58 PM ET
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06/02/22 02:58 PM ET
Isn't lacrosse somewhat popular in the Richmond area (at least among the
-- VTHokie2000
Jun 02, 2022 at 02:54 PM ET
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06/02/22 02:54 PM ET
I agree there are still things VT would need to overcome. I was just
-- VTHokie2000
Jun 02, 2022 at 04:34 PM ET
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06/02/22 04:34 PM ET
Why would VT (or any school) want to cut a sport that it is competitive and
-- VTHokie2000
Jun 01, 2022 at 05:53 PM ET
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06/01/22 05:53 PM ET