A couple thoughts in response:
1) No B12 team in their right mind would leave the B12 to go to the ACC, a conference that's treated like a running joke by the punditry, with leadership that is dysfunctional on a good day and incompetent on a bad day, where 70% of the conference is made up of afterthought or DOA football programs. No rats are going to try and get ON what is clearly a sinking ship. I assure you, the ACC is worried more about being raided by the B12 than the other way around. The only conferences the ACC will be raiding going forward are DOWN the totem pole.
2) When I say the ACC will "die," I don't mean that the ACC will immediately cease to exist. What I do mean is that once the current GOR is broken or expires, you will never again hear the word "power," used to describe the ACC, in any context. Frankly, you barely hear it used now, if you do at all. FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, VT, and likely others will never again sign their media rights over to the ACC, not only because of the colossal financial quagmire it has caused them this time around, but also because doing so would allow the ACC to continue to hold them hostage, which is literally the only thing that's holding the conference together now. And, without the ability to hold the big football brands hostage via a GOR, the ACC will have no central authority to negotiate a media rights contract. Let's set that aside and assume that, somehow, a media rights agreement was reached with Disney or another partner. The football brands would then either demand a vastly disproportionate share of the media rights money, which your Wake Forest and Boston College types have shown they will never agree to, or the football brands will walk. Without the football brands, the ACC instantly becomes a G5, and not a particularly good G5 at that.
3) My beef with SMU is that it made no sense to add them. If you are an ACC football program worried about revenue and competing with the SEC, SMU added no value, at all, whatsoever. Adding Stanford and Cal was stupid too, but adding Stanford and Cal didn't look like pathetic stooping. Oh, we want Texas eyeballs? Yeah, right. It doesn't matter how many games SMU wins, if all the FBS programs in Texas were playing at the same time, SMU is, at VERY BEST, the 7th draw in a state with 13 FBS programs. Nobody watches SMU. Every other "power" conference that considered taking SMU balked. Because nobody CARES about SMU. They had a former president call and beg the ACC to add them. And, the ACC administration clearly understood this, because, as a condition for membership, SMU agreed to take no media rights money for a decade. SMU was added to spit in the face of the schools complaining about the ACC and threatening to leave, and to protect Wake Forest's ability to keep cashing ESPN checks if either FSU or Clemson make headway in their lawsuits. THAT's my beef with SMU being in this conference. It was a flop sweat, panic move that did nothing to improve the conference. I have predicted several times on here that getting in bed with SMU will prove to be a deal with devil, and will be a major discussion point in the coming "Demise of the ACC" documentaries.
4) You're delusional if you don't think the financial disparity is going to affect competitive ability. We are getting ready to have the schools directly pay the players. It is well documented that most of the FBS institutions will not be able to distribute the 20-whatever million dollar salary cap for this upcoming football season, because they just don't have it. You can also read articles where Babcock said VT basically had to scrape it together for the upcoming year, but that it's going to be difficult to find it every year going forward. So, everything else aside, balance sheets blank, you don't think that extra 35-45 million Vanderbilt and Northwestern will be starting with every year is going to matter?
Thread Replies (35)
What's going on with the ESPN/ACC renewal?
-- RandomAsianGuy
Jan 13, 2025 at 09:13 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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01/13/25 09:13 PM ET
There is zero chance Disney decides not to renew the ACC contract.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jan 14, 2025 at 10:34 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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01/14/25 10:34 AM ET
Yes, I believe Disney will definitely renew.
-- RandomAsianGuy
Jan 14, 2025 at 01:02 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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01/14/25 01:02 PM ET
The ACC is not going to remain #3.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jan 14, 2025 at 03:15 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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01/14/25 03:15 PM ET
The ACC is the Ottoman Empire c. 1900.
-- Maroon Baboon
Jan 15, 2025 at 04:33 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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01/15/25 04:33 PM ET
Agree 100%. Anyone that argues otherwise-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jan 15, 2025 at 04:55 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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01/15/25 04:55 PM ET
Disagree. Fantasy worst case scenario. 1 among many scenarios good and bad.**
-- VTinSC
Jan 15, 2025 at 10:06 AM ET
VTinSC
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01/15/25 10:06 AM ET
That's a very nice opinion.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jan 15, 2025 at 12:04 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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01/15/25 12:04 PM ET
It’s all spec and with things ongoing on fb world I would not speculate at
-- VTinSC
Jan 15, 2025 at 01:34 PM ET
VTinSC
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01/15/25 01:34 PM ET
Disagree but I will explain my view later. **
-- RandomAsianGuy
Jan 14, 2025 at 07:22 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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01/14/25 07:22 PM ET
I look forward to reading your thoughts.**
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jan 15, 2025 at 12:11 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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01/15/25 12:11 PM ET
Started a new thread.**
-- RandomAsianGuy
Jan 15, 2025 at 01:59 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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01/15/25 01:59 PM ET
I agree that there will not be a clear #3 football conference with
-- Big12 guy
Jan 14, 2025 at 04:36 PM ET
Big12 guy
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01/14/25 04:36 PM ET
A couple thoughts in response:
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-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jan 14, 2025 at 05:07 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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01/14/25 05:07 PM ET
Love, love, love all the SMU hate...!!!!
-- SMU Pony
Jan 15, 2025 at 01:21 AM ET
SMU Pony
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01/15/25 01:21 AM ET
You're such an idiot, that this all-time idiot post required two responses.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jan 15, 2025 at 12:36 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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01/15/25 12:36 PM ET
Ah, the point about travel, the true tell of a troll...
-- SMU Pony
Jan 15, 2025 at 08:52 PM ET
SMU Pony
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01/15/25 08:52 PM ET
You can't read, and even if you could, you can't think.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jan 16, 2025 at 10:11 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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01/16/25 10:11 AM ET
SMU might be in the ACC to stay, but I assure you a lot of programs aren't.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jan 15, 2025 at 12:10 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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01/15/25 12:10 PM ET
To add to your #3, it's also self serving for the ACC staff
-- HokieAl
Jan 14, 2025 at 05:32 PM ET
HokieAl
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01/14/25 05:32 PM ET
I firmly believe that Disney/ESPN are actively trying to break the ACC up-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jan 14, 2025 at 05:58 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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01/14/25 05:58 PM ET
Good response. Lets go backwards on your points.
-- Big12 guy
Jan 14, 2025 at 05:28 PM ET
Big12 guy
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01/14/25 05:28 PM ET
More thoughts in response:
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jan 14, 2025 at 05:56 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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01/14/25 05:56 PM ET
Why is there so little reporting on an issue this big?
-- 33laszlo99
Jan 14, 2025 at 12:38 AM ET
33laszlo99
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01/14/25 12:38 AM ET
What would you expect to hear reported?
-- Pylons
Jan 14, 2025 at 05:20 PM ET
Pylons
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01/14/25 05:20 PM ET
All true. But I see endless reports about coaching changes, PAC/MWC
-- 33laszlo99
Jan 14, 2025 at 09:03 PM ET
33laszlo99
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01/14/25 09:03 PM ET
After the endless speculation about ESPN dropping the ACC
-- RandomAsianGuy
Jan 15, 2025 at 12:49 AM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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01/15/25 12:49 AM ET
I guess it's not just a simple renewal.
-- RandomAsianGuy
Jan 14, 2025 at 12:58 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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01/14/25 12:58 PM ET
What will The ACC offer in return? ESPN doesn't have to pay a penny more.
-- 33laszlo99
Jan 15, 2025 at 11:10 AM ET
33laszlo99
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01/15/25 11:10 AM ET
Don't forget that there are negotiations about uneven distributions. **
-- Big12 guy
Jan 14, 2025 at 04:54 PM ET
Big12 guy
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01/14/25 04:54 PM ET
That’s an ACC internal matter. **
-- RandomAsianGuy
Jan 14, 2025 at 07:17 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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01/14/25 07:17 PM ET
I agreee, their is a business case for the ACC
-- 1947Sunbowl
Jan 13, 2025 at 11:26 PM ET
1947Sunbowl
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01/13/25 11:26 PM ET
Why is #3 so important to you? It doesn't even come close to
-- Big12 guy
Jan 14, 2025 at 05:01 PM ET
Big12 guy
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01/14/25 05:01 PM ET
Because the ACC will need to backfil with certain B12 schools
-- RandomAsianGuy
Jan 14, 2025 at 07:20 PM ET
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01/14/25 07:20 PM ET