Just a guess (long)
Probably the ACC is the longest term contract for football media rights ever. This is kind of an ongoing or rolling contract that has had several amendments and I am sure that it had/has several "look ins" or re evaluations along the way, including past 2027. Again just guessing but if ESPN re ups in 2027, which was supposed to be in what 2021, there is already language for a post 2027 "look in" between 2027 and 2035 before the whole thing dies in 2036.
If the 2027 look in has a "poison pill" for the ACC, then that still has nothing to do with the GOR until a court somehow establishes some link. Otherwise most likely the ACC has the right to replace the current ESPN deal with some other deal. I don't believe the GOR, although powerful, has already given the ACC the right to just accept the best new offer and that will need approval by the members. But whether it is a new lower deal with ESPN or some other carrier, even a current non conventional one, where is a majority of the ACC who would vote against it?
The ACC will be at 18 members in just a month or 2 so where would 10 votes come from to reject the next media deal and kill the GOR? The only way I see 10 votes to essentially kill the ACC is 10 teams having to have a better place to go.
If the new PAC is up and running, Stanford and Cal would be no votes as they would leave their temporary harbor in the ACC and return to the PAC. But if the PAC is up and running, they are most likely going to take back the XII's 4 corners and probably BYU as well. IMHO the XII is being paid a premium right now to be a "safe harbor" for teams until all this shakes out so they won't be able to provide significantly more $$$ per team return than the "new" ACC. Why would the XII drop? Because that is the way both Fox and ESPN want it. Even if there was more in the XII would it be enough to make a move? I don't think so.
So where would 8 more votes come from? Only those with P2 offers would be no votes and as far as anyone can see right now, the P2 is not taking 8 teams nor will the XII be as attractive as it looks today.
Thread Replies (64)
Florida AG Files Lawsuit Against ACC Seeking ESPN Contract**
-- Hokie Bird
Apr 25, 2024 at 10:17 AM ET
Hokie Bird
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04/25/24 10:17 AM ET
question. can ACC simply say, you dont have any jurisdiction NO
-- DMV Gobbler
Apr 25, 2024 at 08:15 PM ET
DMV Gobbler
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04/25/24 08:15 PM ET
I have never read a contract that doesn't define the state law in force
-- Vienna_Hokie
Apr 26, 2024 at 07:24 AM ET
Vienna_Hokie
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04/26/24 07:24 AM ET
Since it is ESPN CT is the most likely state**
-- VT ChemE 1986
Apr 26, 2024 at 10:56 AM ET
VT ChemE 1986
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04/26/24 10:56 AM ET
Talking about the GOR contract since that's the one FSU is a party to
-- Vienna_Hokie
Apr 26, 2024 at 12:44 PM ET
Vienna_Hokie
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04/26/24 12:44 PM ET
After the dozens of tourism dollars Big Swoff putting the ACCCG there got
-- Hokie 04
Apr 25, 2024 at 07:59 PM ET
Hokie 04
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04/25/24 07:59 PM ET
If schools didn't know about the upcoming "look in", what else is hidden
-- wwhokie1
Apr 25, 2024 at 02:36 PM ET
wwhokie1
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04/25/24 02:36 PM ET
If they didn’t read the contract, whose fault is that?
-- RJHokie
Apr 25, 2024 at 02:43 PM ET
RJHokie
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04/25/24 02:43 PM ET
Did any of the schools actually sign the contract?
-- wwhokie1
Apr 25, 2024 at 02:54 PM ET
wwhokie1
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04/25/24 02:54 PM ET
Lots of questions and convoluted......
-- 2hhoop3
Apr 25, 2024 at 06:53 PM ET
2hhoop3
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04/25/24 06:53 PM ET
I believe trade secrets detailed in contracts are not required to
-- RJHokie
Apr 25, 2024 at 07:00 PM ET
RJHokie
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04/25/24 07:00 PM ET
Whether the GOR is tied to the one media contract is TBD
-- VTCALS72
Apr 25, 2024 at 06:44 PM ET
VTCALS72
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04/25/24 06:44 PM ET
ESPN was granted the TV contract in its entirety by the conference.
-- RJHokie
Apr 25, 2024 at 06:50 PM ET
RJHokie
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04/25/24 06:50 PM ET
By the Conference using the authority granted the Conference
-- VTCALS72
Apr 25, 2024 at 06:54 PM ET
VTCALS72
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04/25/24 06:54 PM ET
There's a lot of confusion over the whole thing. Why would the schools
-- reestuart
Apr 25, 2024 at 03:55 PM ET
reestuart
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04/25/24 03:55 PM ET
You're absolutely right, each school should be allowed copies of those
-- wwhokie1
Apr 25, 2024 at 03:14 PM ET
wwhokie1
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04/25/24 03:14 PM ET
Should is not a legal concept. As a good partner, yes they should
-- Vienna_Hokie
Apr 26, 2024 at 10:00 AM ET
Vienna_Hokie
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04/26/24 10:00 AM ET
FSU and Clemson must know there is something in the media rights agreement
-- Millpoint
Apr 25, 2024 at 01:35 PM ET
Millpoint
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04/25/24 01:35 PM ET
FSU seems especially bad at poker, so I doubt it**
-- MrBayAreaHokie
Apr 26, 2024 at 08:30 AM ET
MrBayAreaHokie
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04/26/24 08:30 AM ET
I’d be more concerned about Clemson. **
-- Millpoint
Apr 26, 2024 at 01:07 PM ET
Millpoint
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04/26/24 01:07 PM ET
kinda young AD at Clemson
-- MrBayAreaHokie
Apr 26, 2024 at 01:35 PM ET
MrBayAreaHokie
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04/26/24 01:35 PM ET
Or they know the GOR is going to be a tough nut to crack and are
-- VTCALS72
Apr 25, 2024 at 06:55 PM ET
VTCALS72
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04/25/24 06:55 PM ET
Probably caveats in the contract prohibiting disclosure to the
-- RJHokie
Apr 25, 2024 at 02:46 PM ET
RJHokie
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04/25/24 02:46 PM ET
Just felony charges for the ESPN contract
-- HOO86
Apr 25, 2024 at 06:32 PM ET
HOO86
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04/25/24 06:32 PM ET
I would think the schools authorized the conference to enter into the
-- RJHokie
Apr 25, 2024 at 06:37 PM ET
RJHokie
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04/25/24 06:37 PM ET
You would be wrong about having a copy.
-- Atlee Hokie
Apr 25, 2024 at 09:19 PM ET
Atlee Hokie
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04/25/24 09:19 PM ET
They are able to go to Charlotte and review it.
-- HOO86
Apr 25, 2024 at 06:41 PM ET
HOO86
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04/25/24 06:41 PM ET
Someone needs to send in the "Plumbers",**
-- Atlee Hokie
Apr 25, 2024 at 09:22 PM ET
Atlee Hokie
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04/25/24 09:22 PM ET
I agree with both you and @Millpoint. ......
-- 2hhoop3
Apr 25, 2024 at 02:59 PM ET
2hhoop3
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04/25/24 02:59 PM ET
I believe it’s because they don’t have a copy of the contract
-- Millpoint
Apr 25, 2024 at 02:12 PM ET
Millpoint
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04/25/24 02:12 PM ET
Agree. If they had it, it would have been leaked "anonymously" by now
-- Tombo
Apr 25, 2024 at 06:59 PM ET
Tombo
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04/25/24 06:59 PM ET
not anonymously; Moody would do it outright and force the ACC/ESPN to sue
-- daveinop
Apr 25, 2024 at 07:39 PM ET
daveinop
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04/25/24 07:39 PM ET
They can go read it.**
-- Minden Hokie
Apr 25, 2024 at 02:33 PM ET
Minden Hokie
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04/25/24 02:33 PM ET
I find it so hard to believe they have to sue to see the contract.**
-- reestuart
Apr 25, 2024 at 01:06 PM ET
reestuart
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04/25/24 01:06 PM ET
they don't; and they've seen it already. Moody's complaint should
-- daveinop
Apr 25, 2024 at 07:34 PM ET
daveinop
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04/25/24 07:34 PM ET
What I want is a definitive answer on the 2027 question.
-- Atlee Hokie
Apr 25, 2024 at 09:27 PM ET
Atlee Hokie
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04/25/24 09:27 PM ET
I would not assume that "Only those with P2 offers would be no votes" is
-- VTHokie2000
Apr 26, 2024 at 12:57 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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04/26/24 12:57 PM ET
Yeah, it seems like that should be easy to get a straight answer.**
-- reestuart
Apr 26, 2024 at 09:14 AM ET
reestuart
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04/26/24 09:14 AM ET
Throwing out most of the big IFs, what real value is it to any place
-- VTCALS72
Apr 25, 2024 at 12:45 PM ET
VTCALS72
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04/25/24 12:45 PM ET
FSU needs some clarity before July 1 - so the pressure is on.
-- Big12 guy
Apr 25, 2024 at 12:59 PM ET
Big12 guy
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04/25/24 12:59 PM ET
$500 million dollars - at least produce the contract that says so
-- INSIDE99
Apr 25, 2024 at 12:06 PM ET
INSIDE99
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04/25/24 12:06 PM ET
ACC hasn't asked for a penny
-- daveinop
Apr 25, 2024 at 07:44 PM ET
daveinop
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04/25/24 07:44 PM ET
The ACC is not asking FSU for that money, FSU agreed to pay that money
-- Vienna_Hokie
Apr 25, 2024 at 02:19 PM ET
Vienna_Hokie
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04/25/24 02:19 PM ET
Does the ESPN media deal lock any team into that?
-- VTCALS72
Apr 25, 2024 at 06:51 PM ET
VTCALS72
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04/25/24 06:51 PM ET
FSU is not party to the contract with ESPN
-- HOO86
Apr 25, 2024 at 06:24 PM ET
HOO86
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04/25/24 06:24 PM ET
real example. I had a contract with a FL gov agency
-- daveinop
Apr 25, 2024 at 08:19 PM ET
daveinop
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04/25/24 08:19 PM ET
The ESPN contract is not where FSU agreed to pay the money, the GOR is
-- Vienna_Hokie
Apr 25, 2024 at 02:43 PM ET
Vienna_Hokie
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04/25/24 02:43 PM ET
Until a court says the ACC needed to go back to the individuals to get
-- VTCALS72
Apr 27, 2024 at 06:29 PM ET
VTCALS72
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04/27/24 06:29 PM ET
They read the contract
-- Minden Hokie
Apr 25, 2024 at 02:37 PM ET
Minden Hokie
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04/25/24 02:37 PM ET
I'd like to read that contract too. It would be very interesting. **
-- Big12 guy
Apr 25, 2024 at 12:00 PM ET
Big12 guy
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04/25/24 12:00 PM ET
Isn’t that ESPN contract already requested under the FSU suit?
-- HokieAl
Apr 25, 2024 at 11:30 AM ET
HokieAl
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04/25/24 11:30 AM ET
From the article it looks like that request was dismissed, hence the AG ask
-- tupton79
Apr 25, 2024 at 12:22 PM ET
tupton79
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04/25/24 12:22 PM ET
One hand doesn’t know what the other is doing…..**
-- RJHokie
Apr 25, 2024 at 11:32 AM ET
RJHokie
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04/25/24 11:32 AM ET