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WarHog38

It Is All In the Math

I do hope the best for Virginia Tech as this all plays out which will most likely happen in the years ahead. I don't know exactly how much the scenario I laid out in my previous post will financially benefit ESP?. That is the Big Question in all this. My point is big money can make anything go away in a legal sense. I cannot get political here. I know from my past here. However just analyze the always absolutely crazy national & world events. It is all just about money. If ESPN feels it is in their best financial interest to make that ACC GOR disappear. That GOR will disappear and it will not take 10 or 13 years. ESPN will just change the attitude of those few men pulling the strings in the ACC front office. The ACC Commissioner and his several top aids will the sell that ACC/Big 12 Merger to the Pitts & Wakes like that merger is the best new thing since apple pie. Pitt & Wake and their reluctant cohorts will be told by the ACC Commish that big income boosts are dead ahead with that merger. I think a ACC/Big 12 merger that ESPN & the ACC agreed on would nullify that GOR. How could a GOR still exist for the ACC when the ACC does not technically exist any longer? The ACC would be just like the old SWC when the Big 12 formed. Houston, SMU, Rice & TCU were left high & dry and had to fend for themselves. I think some as Wake & Duke might be left that way as well. That possibility will never be even hinted to until that axe falls. Of course this event will transpire over many months if not a couple of years. It was all planned out well in advance but will be made public slowly so it appears to be somewhat naturally occurring as just a reactionary happening. I think FSU & Clemson go to the B1G, giving them 20 members. The SEC could very well take UVa, Vt, UNC & NC State to give the SEC a comparable 20 members. I think it is possible that UVa would insist on the inclusion of Tech, that was mentioned by several on that Cavalier board I visited a few days ago. That all would leave about 27 members in the Big 12 after that merger. Does the Big 12 want to be that big? I don't know. Some members could be left out to make 24 or 22. The question is does ESPN desire this from a financial standpoint? That is the only question. However college football has been constantly moving towards this possibly dystopian set-up for over 30 years.
Posted: 12/19/2023 at 12:28 PM ET
(In response to this post by Stech)

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A Lot of Smoke
WarHog38 • 12/17/23 04:44 PM ET
There is a big disconnect with "THE BOARD' and UVA governance
DMV Gobbler • 12/19/23 08:12 AM ET
Academics not football related matters**
manassashoo • 12/19/23 09:28 AM ET
I can tell you right now that ESpin can do NOTHING about ACC GOR**
ombandit • 12/19/23 07:36 AM ET
I think you are right and it is another reason I think the ultimate TV end
VTCALS72 • 12/20/23 02:00 PM ET
Your thinking has two major.......
2hhoop3 • 12/20/23 02:28 PM ET
Mine is an opinion, just like yours
VTCALS72 • 12/20/23 04:23 PM ET
Several things.....
2hhoop3 • 12/20/23 04:34 PM ET
If the schools embrace the pay-to-play model, then it could keep the number
VTHokie2000 • 12/20/23 09:17 PM ET
Common sense, as you used it
VTCALS72 • 12/20/23 05:38 PM ET
Maybe we have identified.....
2hhoop3 • 12/20/23 06:24 PM ET
He blocked me so I can't ask him. But I wonder if he thinks VT would have a
NokieHokie • 12/20/23 08:37 PM ET
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGG that last line is devastating!
NokieHokie • 12/20/23 06:55 PM ET
Your first sentence could apply to every one of his posts...**
NokieHokie • 12/20/23 02:57 PM ET
LOL!**
RJHokie • 12/20/23 07:03 PM ET
With Millions Loosely Floating Around a Lot More than Tacky Legal Contracts
WarHog38 • 12/19/23 12:46 PM ET
2036 certainly seems a long way off, but it is closer than you think.
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 08:07 AM ET
Why do you assume the Big XII will get an even better contract next time?
hokieZ71 • 12/19/23 09:00 AM ET
IMHO you nailed it.
VTCALS72 • 12/19/23 12:54 PM ET
The Big XII will hang around. That's a great draw for them.
hokieZ71 • 12/19/23 01:02 PM ET
IMHO the B12 will not be
VTCALS72 • 12/19/23 01:11 PM ET
You said it in your post. the current B12 contract was awarded before
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 09:07 AM ET
Oh no, you mistake me
hokieZ71 • 12/19/23 11:00 AM ET
I'm basing my assumptions that the ACC loses their top brands. Currently,
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 11:15 AM ET
That may be exactly right but without TV revenues
VTCALS72 • 12/21/23 04:59 PM ET
I hope you guys stay together in perpetuity. **
Big12 guy • 12/21/23 05:15 PM ET
Couple of things......
2hhoop3 • 12/19/23 04:06 PM ET
Kind of agree with that, but when there is a KU basketball or K-State
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 05:13 PM ET
As you've been asked.....
2hhoop3 • 12/19/23 05:26 PM ET
If you don't know, then i guess you can only dispute the reporting
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 05:30 PM ET
As you've been told before.....
2hhoop3 • 12/19/23 05:41 PM ET
Believe what you want. I telling you that until i see proof otherwise
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 05:45 PM ET
And all I told you....
2hhoop3 • 12/19/23 05:51 PM ET
haha, I'll take the hit then, as we have discussed those things before -
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 05:58 PM ET
Sorry but I can say as a vertically challenged American
VTCALS72 • 12/19/23 01:09 PM ET
Haha, great analogy. I'd be willing to bet my bottom dollar
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 01:13 PM ET
How does that matter at all?
VTCALS72 • 12/19/23 01:16 PM ET
WRT time zones, the East Coast is considered to be the most valuable time
VTHokie2000 • 12/19/23 11:33 AM ET
Well, sure, but out here in flyover, there isn't a whole lot of
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 11:42 AM ET
Who said good college football carries any weight in this at all.**
VTCALS72 • 12/19/23 01:13 PM ET
There may be more competition, but there is also a good chance that more
VTHokie2000 • 12/19/23 11:51 AM ET
I think that is why Yormark has UConn on the radar. **
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 12:06 PM ET
That would be a good reason for the Big XII to want to add UConn.
VTHokie2000 • 12/19/23 12:45 PM ET
It's the NE basketball that has Yourmark's attention. Specifically, the
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 01:00 PM ET
Temple is known for its basketball program (and sponsors football) which is
VTHokie2000 • 12/19/23 01:05 PM ET
No one wants Temple, they bring nothing. They will always be
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 01:12 PM ET
FWIW Temple is the 6th most winningest men's DI basketball program behind
VTHokie2000 • 12/19/23 01:37 PM ET
As a fan, no thank you. No stadium, have to go pretty far back to find
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 05:17 PM ET
I will say you have an interesting definition if you think the late 2010s
VTHokie2000 • 12/19/23 06:43 PM ET
Even if the expansion members do generate ratings, they may or may not come
VTHokie2000 • 12/19/23 10:37 AM ET
No doubt. Losing Texas and OU was dramatic, as will losing the top 2 to 4
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 10:49 AM ET
WRT the future of the ACC, I am not sold either way. 8 schools may want to
VTHokie2000 • 12/19/23 10:57 AM ET
None of us knows how this plays out. **
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 10:58 AM ET
The other wild card in all of this is the potential pay-to-play.
VTHokie2000 • 12/19/23 11:25 AM ET
Pay to play has the the potential to blow all of this out of the water.
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 11:29 AM ET
Uva board?
MrFantastic! • 12/19/23 01:05 AM ET
I Don't Think the SEC Likes FSU
WarHog38 • 12/19/23 02:22 AM ET
Fsu recruits well now.
MrFantastic! • 12/19/23 05:43 AM ET
The SEC doesn't need them **
VaTechHokiesACC • 12/19/23 02:58 AM ET
big picture, SEC dont need anyone right now
DMV Gobbler • 12/19/23 08:50 AM ET
i could see the B12 and ACC merging
MrBayAreaHokie • 12/18/23 11:22 PM ET
I don't see the advantages to a merger
obguthr • 12/19/23 04:58 PM ET
As long as conference champs get CFP byes, I don't see it.
Truthahn • 12/19/23 10:37 AM ET
no different culture,
DMV Gobbler • 12/19/23 08:15 AM ET
What about their olympic sports?
VaTechHokiesACC • 12/17/23 09:37 PM ET
Talked a Lot about LaCrosse in Thread
WarHog38 • 12/17/23 09:55 PM ET
That's something to get excited over?**
VaTechHokiesACC • 12/17/23 10:31 PM ET
Well, it is for the Hoowahs.**
RJHokie • 12/17/23 10:43 PM ET
You are right **
VaTechHokiesACC • 12/17/23 11:07 PM ET
Explain how the GOR goes away with only 2 schools leaving. Details please.
Stech • 12/17/23 08:18 PM ET
If the Price is Right
WarHog38 • 12/19/23 01:18 AM ET
First of all I now many of your posts have been pro VT, so your intentions
Stech • 12/19/23 10:40 AM ET
It Is All In the Math ◄
WarHog38 • 12/19/23 12:28 PM ET
Now you are getting closer to what could happen, the majority leave before
Stech • 12/19/23 02:09 PM ET
The ACC May Survive in a Reformed Image
WarHog38 • 12/19/23 03:40 PM ET
IMHO it would be way better off than the 2 PAC + expansion, it would have
Stech • 12/19/23 07:31 PM ET
ESPN wants to throw the least amount of money to both the ACC & B12
EDGEMAN • 12/19/23 06:28 AM ET
Getting Two For Near the Price of One Might Brighten the Prospects For That
WarHog38 • 12/19/23 03:31 PM ET
ESPN and Disney are in the red and likely going to default in rime on
anotherdamnyankeehokie • 12/18/23 07:07 PM ET
I looked at my channel guide last night, and MNF was being aired on...
EDGEMAN • 12/19/23 06:31 AM ET
I Didn't Claim I Had a Legal Degree
WarHog38 • 12/17/23 09:09 PM ET
PAC defectors getting schooled in consequences of ignoring the paperwork**
daveinop • 12/18/23 12:35 PM ET
I do not disagree with this. The network money is the puppetmaster.**
Big12 guy • 12/18/23 11:41 AM ET
Please tell us how in a contract with the Conference, ESPN has control?
Stech • 12/17/23 10:13 PM ET
Obviously the ACC Front Office Will Fight Tooth & Nail
WarHog38 • 12/17/23 10:38 PM ET
If it’s the majority it’s possible, probably still not probable, maybe just
Stech • 12/18/23 09:10 AM ET
Wasting your time.......
2hhoop3 • 12/17/23 10:16 PM ET
An Old Yankee Basketball Fan Masquerading as a Actual Southern Football Fan
WarHog38 • 12/17/23 10:52 PM ET
Don't underestimate Virginia Tech...
Old Line Hokie • 12/18/23 12:51 AM ET
I dunno about 1990s Big East being better than the ACC
Brother Griswold • 12/18/23 09:30 AM ET
I'm not sure either conference was much to write home about
Hokie Fiji • 12/19/23 09:23 AM ET
Top to bottom it was **
VaTechHokiesACC • 12/19/23 03:50 AM ET
Miami won a national title in 2001.
Old Line Hokie • 12/18/23 12:55 PM ET
I was talking 1990s specifically - including early 2000s it is a push
Brother Griswold • 12/18/23 01:51 PM ET
I Spent a Lot of Time in NOVA
WarHog38 • 12/18/23 02:21 AM ET
I have a law degree, and I don't think breaking the GoR is a viable option**
tarheelblue • 12/17/23 09:24 PM ET
ESPN does not own the GOR at all
HokieAl • 12/17/23 08:13 PM ET
Very true; but ESPN could probably dissolve it. The Bylaws state
daveinop • 12/19/23 08:10 AM ET
Thanks so much for clarifying
DMV Gobbler • 12/18/23 09:46 AM ET
ESPN Pays the Bills
WarHog38 • 12/17/23 09:37 PM ET
ESPN doesn't pay the bills. ESPN Pays for purchased content. They purchased
HokieToph • 12/18/23 09:40 AM ET
I Think You are Talking Semantics
WarHog38 • 12/18/23 02:39 PM ET
No he's not, you need to understand who legally owns the content
MrBayAreaHokie • 12/18/23 11:32 PM ET
They Cowered To Those Record Labels Before They Became Musical Superstars
WarHog38 • 12/19/23 02:06 AM ET
Yes we all know they reluctantly pay the bills. But that is not the GOR
HokieAl • 12/17/23 09:52 PM ET
This is a good board, I have never commented on that saber version.**
WarHog38 • 12/17/23 10:01 PM ET
If it was up to UNC, the ACC would only stretch from GT to UMd. If that.
Maroon Baboon • 12/17/23 06:38 PM ET
UNC has had it in for VT since we hired their football coach away back...
EDGEMAN • 12/17/23 04:58 PM ET
Will FSU Stay in the ACC Another 10 Years?
WarHog38 • 12/17/23 06:57 PM ET
yes**
daveinop • 12/18/23 12:38 PM ET
They would be much better off if their donors just made up the difference.
EDGEMAN • 12/17/23 09:54 PM ET
Show me the money and leave
VaTechHokiesACC • 12/17/23 09:38 PM ET
2003. That was the best chance for us to get into the SEC. When the ACC
Maroon Baboon • 12/17/23 06:57 PM ET
Disagree. 2012 was likely our best chance to get into the SEC
Hokie Fiji • 12/18/23 11:38 AM ET
2012 was a PR and political non-starter. VT wasn't leaving the ACC after
Maroon Baboon • 12/18/23 01:10 PM ET
Agree wrt 2012.
RJHokie • 12/18/23 11:58 AM ET
2003... the last UVA win over Tech Football until 2019...**
No_Limit_Hokie • 12/17/23 10:41 PM ET
I think VT
RiverVT • 12/17/23 06:20 PM ET