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I'm basing my assumptions that the ACC loses their top brands. Currently,

comparing the two conferences is an exercise in futility. The ratings, and the time zones carry more weight that you realize. The PAC's problem was all of their schools were in the same time zone (essentially). It's the ACC;s problem as well. I mean you did add two time zones with the recent additions, but that will only matter if those 3 teams become relevant. The core of the B12 leftovers get very strong ratings because there is a plethora of schools with the same type of fanbase that VT has. Almost all of them. A couple of the additions, Houston, ASU, Arizona, Colorado, and yes, even my Kansas d not have a history of filling their stadiums for football. # of those however, are basketball brands and blue bloods. Iowa State is a perfect example. The fill their stadium, get good ratings, and it doesn't matter who they play, or how dismal their record or history is. The B12 is full of those types of large public Universities with extremely loyal fans. The private Universities are in Texas, and that is just a different football world than the privates on the East Coast. They get the ratings, fill their stadiums, and have very loyal fans as well. I know many on the East Coast don't see it, because there are no blue bloods left in the conference - but it doesn't matter out here. They don't need to play a Texas or OU to fill their stadiums. 1/2 the ACC needs Miami, ND, and FSU to fill theirs.
Posted: 12/19/2023 at 11:15 AM ET
(In response to this post by hokieZ71)

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A Lot of Smoke
WarHog38 • 12/17/23 04:44 PM ET
There is a big disconnect with "THE BOARD' and UVA governance
DMV Gobbler • 12/19/23 08:12 AM ET
Academics not football related matters**
manassashoo • 12/19/23 09:28 AM ET
I can tell you right now that ESpin can do NOTHING about ACC GOR**
ombandit • 12/19/23 07:36 AM ET
I think you are right and it is another reason I think the ultimate TV end
VTCALS72 • 12/20/23 02:00 PM ET
Your thinking has two major.......
2hhoop3 • 12/20/23 02:28 PM ET
Mine is an opinion, just like yours
VTCALS72 • 12/20/23 04:23 PM ET
Several things.....
2hhoop3 • 12/20/23 04:34 PM ET
If the schools embrace the pay-to-play model, then it could keep the number
VTHokie2000 • 12/20/23 09:17 PM ET
Common sense, as you used it
VTCALS72 • 12/20/23 05:38 PM ET
Maybe we have identified.....
2hhoop3 • 12/20/23 06:24 PM ET
He blocked me so I can't ask him. But I wonder if he thinks VT would have a
NokieHokie • 12/20/23 08:37 PM ET
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGG that last line is devastating!
NokieHokie • 12/20/23 06:55 PM ET
Your first sentence could apply to every one of his posts...**
NokieHokie • 12/20/23 02:57 PM ET
LOL!**
RJHokie • 12/20/23 07:03 PM ET
With Millions Loosely Floating Around a Lot More than Tacky Legal Contracts
WarHog38 • 12/19/23 12:46 PM ET
2036 certainly seems a long way off, but it is closer than you think.
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 08:07 AM ET
Why do you assume the Big XII will get an even better contract next time?
hokieZ71 • 12/19/23 09:00 AM ET
IMHO you nailed it.
VTCALS72 • 12/19/23 12:54 PM ET
The Big XII will hang around. That's a great draw for them.
hokieZ71 • 12/19/23 01:02 PM ET
IMHO the B12 will not be
VTCALS72 • 12/19/23 01:11 PM ET
You said it in your post. the current B12 contract was awarded before
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 09:07 AM ET
Oh no, you mistake me
hokieZ71 • 12/19/23 11:00 AM ET
I'm basing my assumptions that the ACC loses their top brands. Currently, ◄
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 11:15 AM ET
That may be exactly right but without TV revenues
VTCALS72 • 12/21/23 04:59 PM ET
I hope you guys stay together in perpetuity. **
Big12 guy • 12/21/23 05:15 PM ET
Couple of things......
2hhoop3 • 12/19/23 04:06 PM ET
Kind of agree with that, but when there is a KU basketball or K-State
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 05:13 PM ET
As you've been asked.....
2hhoop3 • 12/19/23 05:26 PM ET
If you don't know, then i guess you can only dispute the reporting
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 05:30 PM ET
As you've been told before.....
2hhoop3 • 12/19/23 05:41 PM ET
Believe what you want. I telling you that until i see proof otherwise
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 05:45 PM ET
And all I told you....
2hhoop3 • 12/19/23 05:51 PM ET
haha, I'll take the hit then, as we have discussed those things before -
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 05:58 PM ET
Sorry but I can say as a vertically challenged American
VTCALS72 • 12/19/23 01:09 PM ET
Haha, great analogy. I'd be willing to bet my bottom dollar
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 01:13 PM ET
How does that matter at all?
VTCALS72 • 12/19/23 01:16 PM ET
WRT time zones, the East Coast is considered to be the most valuable time
VTHokie2000 • 12/19/23 11:33 AM ET
Well, sure, but out here in flyover, there isn't a whole lot of
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 11:42 AM ET
Who said good college football carries any weight in this at all.**
VTCALS72 • 12/19/23 01:13 PM ET
There may be more competition, but there is also a good chance that more
VTHokie2000 • 12/19/23 11:51 AM ET
I think that is why Yormark has UConn on the radar. **
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 12:06 PM ET
That would be a good reason for the Big XII to want to add UConn.
VTHokie2000 • 12/19/23 12:45 PM ET
It's the NE basketball that has Yourmark's attention. Specifically, the
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 01:00 PM ET
Temple is known for its basketball program (and sponsors football) which is
VTHokie2000 • 12/19/23 01:05 PM ET
No one wants Temple, they bring nothing. They will always be
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 01:12 PM ET
FWIW Temple is the 6th most winningest men's DI basketball program behind
VTHokie2000 • 12/19/23 01:37 PM ET
As a fan, no thank you. No stadium, have to go pretty far back to find
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 05:17 PM ET
I will say you have an interesting definition if you think the late 2010s
VTHokie2000 • 12/19/23 06:43 PM ET
Even if the expansion members do generate ratings, they may or may not come
VTHokie2000 • 12/19/23 10:37 AM ET
No doubt. Losing Texas and OU was dramatic, as will losing the top 2 to 4
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 10:49 AM ET
WRT the future of the ACC, I am not sold either way. 8 schools may want to
VTHokie2000 • 12/19/23 10:57 AM ET
None of us knows how this plays out. **
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 10:58 AM ET
The other wild card in all of this is the potential pay-to-play.
VTHokie2000 • 12/19/23 11:25 AM ET
Pay to play has the the potential to blow all of this out of the water.
Big12 guy • 12/19/23 11:29 AM ET
Uva board?
MrFantastic! • 12/19/23 01:05 AM ET
I Don't Think the SEC Likes FSU
WarHog38 • 12/19/23 02:22 AM ET
Fsu recruits well now.
MrFantastic! • 12/19/23 05:43 AM ET
The SEC doesn't need them **
VaTechHokiesACC • 12/19/23 02:58 AM ET
big picture, SEC dont need anyone right now
DMV Gobbler • 12/19/23 08:50 AM ET
i could see the B12 and ACC merging
MrBayAreaHokie • 12/18/23 11:22 PM ET
I don't see the advantages to a merger
obguthr • 12/19/23 04:58 PM ET
As long as conference champs get CFP byes, I don't see it.
Truthahn • 12/19/23 10:37 AM ET
no different culture,
DMV Gobbler • 12/19/23 08:15 AM ET
What about their olympic sports?
VaTechHokiesACC • 12/17/23 09:37 PM ET
Talked a Lot about LaCrosse in Thread
WarHog38 • 12/17/23 09:55 PM ET
That's something to get excited over?**
VaTechHokiesACC • 12/17/23 10:31 PM ET
Well, it is for the Hoowahs.**
RJHokie • 12/17/23 10:43 PM ET
You are right **
VaTechHokiesACC • 12/17/23 11:07 PM ET
Explain how the GOR goes away with only 2 schools leaving. Details please.
Stech • 12/17/23 08:18 PM ET
If the Price is Right
WarHog38 • 12/19/23 01:18 AM ET
First of all I now many of your posts have been pro VT, so your intentions
Stech • 12/19/23 10:40 AM ET
It Is All In the Math
WarHog38 • 12/19/23 12:28 PM ET
Now you are getting closer to what could happen, the majority leave before
Stech • 12/19/23 02:09 PM ET
The ACC May Survive in a Reformed Image
WarHog38 • 12/19/23 03:40 PM ET
IMHO it would be way better off than the 2 PAC + expansion, it would have
Stech • 12/19/23 07:31 PM ET
ESPN wants to throw the least amount of money to both the ACC & B12
EDGEMAN • 12/19/23 06:28 AM ET
Getting Two For Near the Price of One Might Brighten the Prospects For That
WarHog38 • 12/19/23 03:31 PM ET
ESPN and Disney are in the red and likely going to default in rime on
anotherdamnyankeehokie • 12/18/23 07:07 PM ET
I looked at my channel guide last night, and MNF was being aired on...
EDGEMAN • 12/19/23 06:31 AM ET
I Didn't Claim I Had a Legal Degree
WarHog38 • 12/17/23 09:09 PM ET
PAC defectors getting schooled in consequences of ignoring the paperwork**
daveinop • 12/18/23 12:35 PM ET
I do not disagree with this. The network money is the puppetmaster.**
Big12 guy • 12/18/23 11:41 AM ET
Please tell us how in a contract with the Conference, ESPN has control?
Stech • 12/17/23 10:13 PM ET
Obviously the ACC Front Office Will Fight Tooth & Nail
WarHog38 • 12/17/23 10:38 PM ET
If it’s the majority it’s possible, probably still not probable, maybe just
Stech • 12/18/23 09:10 AM ET
Wasting your time.......
2hhoop3 • 12/17/23 10:16 PM ET
An Old Yankee Basketball Fan Masquerading as a Actual Southern Football Fan
WarHog38 • 12/17/23 10:52 PM ET
Don't underestimate Virginia Tech...
Old Line Hokie • 12/18/23 12:51 AM ET
I dunno about 1990s Big East being better than the ACC
Brother Griswold • 12/18/23 09:30 AM ET
I'm not sure either conference was much to write home about
Hokie Fiji • 12/19/23 09:23 AM ET
Top to bottom it was **
VaTechHokiesACC • 12/19/23 03:50 AM ET
Miami won a national title in 2001.
Old Line Hokie • 12/18/23 12:55 PM ET
I was talking 1990s specifically - including early 2000s it is a push
Brother Griswold • 12/18/23 01:51 PM ET
I Spent a Lot of Time in NOVA
WarHog38 • 12/18/23 02:21 AM ET
I have a law degree, and I don't think breaking the GoR is a viable option**
tarheelblue • 12/17/23 09:24 PM ET
ESPN does not own the GOR at all
HokieAl • 12/17/23 08:13 PM ET
Very true; but ESPN could probably dissolve it. The Bylaws state
daveinop • 12/19/23 08:10 AM ET
Thanks so much for clarifying
DMV Gobbler • 12/18/23 09:46 AM ET
ESPN Pays the Bills
WarHog38 • 12/17/23 09:37 PM ET
ESPN doesn't pay the bills. ESPN Pays for purchased content. They purchased
HokieToph • 12/18/23 09:40 AM ET
I Think You are Talking Semantics
WarHog38 • 12/18/23 02:39 PM ET
No he's not, you need to understand who legally owns the content
MrBayAreaHokie • 12/18/23 11:32 PM ET
They Cowered To Those Record Labels Before They Became Musical Superstars
WarHog38 • 12/19/23 02:06 AM ET
Yes we all know they reluctantly pay the bills. But that is not the GOR
HokieAl • 12/17/23 09:52 PM ET
This is a good board, I have never commented on that saber version.**
WarHog38 • 12/17/23 10:01 PM ET
If it was up to UNC, the ACC would only stretch from GT to UMd. If that.
Maroon Baboon • 12/17/23 06:38 PM ET
UNC has had it in for VT since we hired their football coach away back...
EDGEMAN • 12/17/23 04:58 PM ET
Will FSU Stay in the ACC Another 10 Years?
WarHog38 • 12/17/23 06:57 PM ET
yes**
daveinop • 12/18/23 12:38 PM ET
They would be much better off if their donors just made up the difference.
EDGEMAN • 12/17/23 09:54 PM ET
Show me the money and leave
VaTechHokiesACC • 12/17/23 09:38 PM ET
2003. That was the best chance for us to get into the SEC. When the ACC
Maroon Baboon • 12/17/23 06:57 PM ET
Disagree. 2012 was likely our best chance to get into the SEC
Hokie Fiji • 12/18/23 11:38 AM ET
2012 was a PR and political non-starter. VT wasn't leaving the ACC after
Maroon Baboon • 12/18/23 01:10 PM ET
Agree wrt 2012.
RJHokie • 12/18/23 11:58 AM ET
2003... the last UVA win over Tech Football until 2019...**
No_Limit_Hokie • 12/17/23 10:41 PM ET
I think VT
RiverVT • 12/17/23 06:20 PM ET