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Maroon Baboon
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I loved being in the Big East.

Not gonna lie.

While I think the big drag for the BE was the aftermath of missing out on Penn State. But Miami being "back" kinda made up for it football wise. The round robin size was great. It's what a conference should be. Playing everyone every year, and still having schedule space for OOC rivalries (UVa for us) and other OOC games. When bowl season rolled around, I rooted for the BE teams beyond just "conference loyalty".

And the basketball was great. Loved the style and the teams. Being with all those original Big East schools and playing in the greatest conference championship tournament annually in Madison Square Garden was fabulous. I didn't even seem to mind Notre Dame hanging around.

I am strictly speaking from a fan's perspective. And can't speak to the bottom line.

But when the ACC came calling for Miami, it created a prisoner's dilemma of sorts. Everyone needed to act on their own to preserve their self interests.

In the end, we had to sort of back our way into the ACC. And what is sad, most schools involved in the ordeal have seen their stature in football and basketball decrease rather than increase since then (the original ACC teams, the BE football schools and the BE basketball only schools).

I just have to wonder what would have happened if the Big East and the ACC would have thought on a grand scale and did a full merger, including the non-D1A football/basketball only schools. If the collective could have kept northeastern basketball and given BE football schools a place to play, it would have been awesome. I still think the piecemeal way the ACC did expansion set the whole thing up for failure. And don't even get me started on the MIA-SYR-BC, oops, MIA-VT-and later BC thing. Amateur hour.

I'm just lamenting and reminiscing for the most part here. But I think there's a ton of lessons here on how not to do conference realignment.


[Post edited by Maroon Baboon at 04/18/2022 5:30PM]
Posted: 04/18/2022 at 05:30 PM ET
(In response to this post by Stech)

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Sports Business Journal: FOX and B1G have deal in place
goldendomer 04/16/22 10:56 AM ET
"top two college sports conferences essentially are aligned with rival net-
Stech 04/18/22 09:11 AM ET
Could the ACC use the situation to offer ESPN more content
4x4hokies 04/19/22 06:22 PM ET
The only way to add value is to add audience.
HOO86 04/19/22 07:46 PM ET
Is there any other forum that is discussing this?
PaNDalum 04/18/22 04:57 PM ET
Yes, the Conference Realignment Board at CSNbbs.com**
TerryD 04/19/22 08:24 PM ET
A post from 10 yrs ago saying if ESPN keeps talking up th SEC & downing ACC
Stech 04/20/22 11:38 AM ET
I don't follow other boards, but here article after article linked here
Stech 04/19/22 08:01 AM ET
I’m beginning to see it more like Dabo
PaNDalum 04/19/22 05:17 PM ET
Its either adapt or die (on the vine) time
TerryD 04/19/22 08:27 PM ET
True, & not just ND, many schools have used Tier 1 to advance academics
Stech 04/20/22 08:57 AM ET
I agree on everything you said and I think ESPN & Fox are calling the shots
Stech 04/19/22 07:42 PM ET
I think ND renews the NBC deal
TerryD 04/19/22 09:32 AM ET
Yep, i am guessing( total guess) we get one more NBC
goldendomer 04/19/22 11:10 AM ET
Interesting from the article that NBC wants a Big Ten game to go along with
reestuart 04/19/22 12:16 PM ET
Thanks for the reply, 3 or 5 years, we both agree it’s closing in on the
Stech 04/19/22 11:02 AM ET
No, 5 years from the 2025 renewal
TerryD 04/19/22 03:12 PM ET
Okay, gotcha, more like 7-8 years.**
Stech 04/19/22 03:22 PM ET
With some others. **
MrFantastic! 04/19/22 10:39 AM ET
Yes, there is a couple of other boards that are as resigned
goldendomer 04/18/22 09:40 PM ET
I only follow this board for the most part, what other boards follow CR?**
Stech 04/18/22 11:35 PM ET
Dirtburglars.com, is a Oklahoma board
goldendomer 04/19/22 11:21 AM ET
I mostly steer clear of that one
OU_Sooner 04/19/22 02:14 PM ET
I used to go there, but page after page of insults got bad.
HOO86 04/19/22 07:11 PM ET
It can turn into pure chaos. It used to be a better thread, but now a few
goldendomer 04/20/22 10:58 AM ET
Dirtburglers is a trainwreck, but sometimes some good info appears.
goldendomer 04/19/22 03:17 PM ET
Thanks for the information **
Stech 04/19/22 10:58 AM ET
Agreed
TerryD 04/18/22 10:14 AM ET
Any change in attitude of the ND fanbase about possibly joining B1G?
Millpoint 04/18/22 05:30 PM ET
No, it will be hated but it also seems inevitable down the road**
TerryD 04/19/22 08:29 PM ET
For me it was the same as the Big East, I wanted to stay unless it was
Stech 04/18/22 10:35 AM ET
I loved being in the Big East.
Maroon Baboon 04/18/22 05:30 PM ET
I am clearly different
TerryD 04/19/22 03:18 PM ET
A big difference though is that there are subjective criteria that gets
Maroon Baboon 04/19/22 03:34 PM ET
If ND goes undefeated in football, problem solved
TerryD 04/19/22 08:33 PM ET
🍎s & 🍊s
Maroon Baboon 04/20/22 12:05 AM ET
It was fun because it was VT’s rise but the conference sucked
Colonel Jessup 04/19/22 11:06 AM ET
Pretty clear you're only talking about BE football
EDGEMAN 04/19/22 10:33 AM ET
Big East football was so much more fun. The ACC is too country club IMO.
reestuart 04/18/22 05:23 PM ET
BEFC had more passion. IMHO, top to bottom....
Old Line Hokie 04/19/22 12:12 AM ET
My take too. It was a better football conference than the ACC
EDGEMAN 04/19/22 10:36 AM ET
The only programs that are undoubtedly better off than they were before
Maroon Baboon 04/19/22 03:41 PM ET
My post below sort of the same thinking.**
MrFantastic! 04/18/22 02:08 PM ET
NIL and Academic Performance $ link**
daveinop 04/18/22 09:40 AM ET
Thanks Dave! Fascinating times, I copied & pasted the last paragraph inside
Stech 04/18/22 10:13 AM ET
B1G gonna get paid.
33laszlo99 04/16/22 12:31 PM ET
Could you explain the USF angle to me?
Maroon Baboon 04/18/22 10:32 AM ET
Just spitballin'
33laszlo99 04/18/22 12:11 PM ET
If it were truly just a B1G vs. SEC battle
Colonel Jessup 04/18/22 10:56 AM ET
Looks like zero chance ESPN will continue to control the CFP after 2025
daveinop 04/16/22 11:45 AM ET
The powers that be.....
2hhoop3 04/16/22 01:25 PM ET
IMO, it was foolish for ACC to put all its eggs in the espn ...
Atlee Hokie 05/12/22 10:27 AM ET
Hear, hear**
33laszlo99 04/16/22 02:49 PM ET
Does ESPN control the ACC until 2035?
Old Line Hokie 04/16/22 02:08 PM ET
ACC is screwed.**
Atlee Hokie 05/12/22 10:28 AM ET
Yes, the contract is an anchor that will sink the conference.
goldendomer 05/12/22 11:11 AM ET
The TV contract was not part of the ACC docs I got last year
daveinop 04/17/22 02:41 PM ET
I cannot answer that.......
2hhoop3 04/16/22 03:08 PM ET
A small outside chance
33laszlo99 04/16/22 02:56 PM ET
GoR contracts will be unenforceable. Not a slam dunk, but it gives me hope.
Stech 04/18/22 08:54 AM ET
Hope for a fresh start
33laszlo99 04/18/22 12:44 PM ET
They could vote to administer football apart from the other sports
daveinop 04/20/22 09:36 AM ET
That would "green light" the better football schools to jump to...
EDGEMAN 04/19/22 10:44 AM ET
Football first southern schools to the SEC and some other ACC Schools & PAC
Stech 04/18/22 01:11 PM ET
My hope is the pay would be uniform across schools in
Colonel Jessup 04/18/22 10:31 AM ET