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Go back and read what I wrote, very slowly, because you obviously didn't-

the first time. I acknowledged that the ACCN is "profitable" in terms of annual operating costs vs. revenue. But, you're not considering the half billion+ dollars that ESPN, the ACC, and each ACC member school had to invest (and, in most cases, finance,) to implement the network in the first place. They have to actually make that money back before everyone starts celebrating buying their QBs Bugattis with their ACCN revenue. Also, you appear to not understand the difference between a linear cable network, and how a linear cable network makes money, vs. a streaming model. The entire viability of a conference network, which, remember, nobody is watching 99% of the time, is expressed in terms of carriage fees. Depending on where they live, each cable subscriber has to pay $0.75, or $0.90, or $1.50, or whatever the exact number is, whether they ever once watch the network or not. That's how a conference network generates revenue. That's why Rutgers and Maryland are in the Big 10 when neither are competitive or big draws in football - when they were added, revenue was entirely expressed in carriage fees, and NYC and DC contain a lot of subscribers. A conference network isn't generating revenue from Spurtle ads, or ads with Joe Namath hawking Medicare support services. Carriage fees are the beginning, and the end. In a streaming infrastructure, there is no such thing as a carriage fee. You pay a price for the library of content that you want to access. If you don't consume certain content, odds are that you're not going to pay for it. This can be entirely understood by looking at the "low ball" bid Apple submitted to the PAC-12 right before it imploded. Apple said, sure, we'll work with you on a broadcast deal, but it's going to be almost entirely streaming, and people are going to have to actually pay a separate fee for it, and we don't predict people will initially be too keen on paying a separate subscription price for access to PAC content, so you have to put some skin in the game here. The PAC didn't want to have an incentives-laden deal, so they walked, and then we all saw what happened. I hate to break it to everyone on the realignment board that thinks the ACCN is some gold mine, but linear conference networks are dead in the water. What we're seeing right now is the last squeeze of juice from the orange before the orange gets thrown out. The model that Apple submitted to the PAC is the future, because linear cable is in its late death throes, and the a la carte streaming-only model is the future. I hope that helps with your understanding. If not, I don't know what to tell you.
Posted: 04/15/2025 at 10:35 AM ET
(In response to this post by Stech)

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Not sure what happens 2 the ACC, but their ESPN owned channel is HUGE, B12
Stech 04/15/25 08:57 AM ET
Absolutely. Remember ESPN Flagship will carry the ACCN.
RandomAsianGuy 04/15/25 06:41 PM ET
It's a bigger deal than many people think, they'll undoubtedly promote SEC
Stech 04/15/25 07:44 PM ET
Good luck moving the masters …**
AnotherTechW 04/16/25 05:43 AM ET
Plenty depends on how well the ACCN is actually doing. Without any
reestuart 04/15/25 10:09 AM ET
Agree with that, that’s a valid argument, how does the ACCN do after losing
Stech 04/15/25 11:12 AM ET
You're still streaming, and paying carriage fees, for a LINEAR CABLE
Baltimore_Hokie 04/15/25 12:13 PM ET
The ACC schools have......
2hhoop3 04/15/25 12:57 PM ET
Ah, so, in other words, they're robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Baltimore_Hokie 04/15/25 01:12 PM ET
Nice try.......
2hhoop3 04/15/25 01:18 PM ET
Either way, it's not paid for and debt service is still being paid.
Baltimore_Hokie 04/15/25 01:38 PM ET
The Network is........
2hhoop3 04/15/25 02:20 PM ET
A few years ago, I filed a FOIA re: how much VT realized from the ACCN.
saret 04/15/25 03:59 PM ET
According to the most recent......
2hhoop3 04/15/25 04:05 PM ET
And, as you've said, how each school chooses to use that ACCN
saret 04/15/25 04:24 PM ET
All likely valid points.......
2hhoop3 04/15/25 04:31 PM ET
LOL, "cheese eating, selfie taking strategic communications savant", that
Stech 04/15/25 04:50 PM ET
Wonderful wordplay. Well said. Again, Whit is his own worst enemy.**
saret 04/15/25 04:38 PM ET
Linear conference networks are a relic of the past. They make no sense-
Baltimore_Hokie 04/15/25 10:04 AM ET
Do you think that linear thing is all the ACCN can be?
VTCALS72 04/15/25 08:01 PM ET
ACCN content is ultimately going to be like ESPN Plus.
Baltimore_Hokie 04/16/25 10:03 AM ET
I think we are at least somewhat close on that.
VTCALS72 04/16/25 10:37 AM ET
I don't disagree, but I am confident that for full access to conference-
Baltimore_Hokie 04/16/25 11:05 AM ET
I get the impression that Packer likes his short commute downstairs. The
wwhokie1 04/15/25 04:30 PM ET
Still pisses me off how they slow-played the release of the ACCN.
Maroon Baboon 04/15/25 10:38 AM ET
It's more or less an expensive status symbol at this point.
Baltimore_Hokie 04/15/25 10:46 AM ET
I will say this. I have watched enough VT Softball 🥎 on the ACCN 📺...
Maroon Baboon 04/15/25 11:59 AM ET
VT's non-revenue sports was what I looked forward to watching when...
EDGEMAN 04/15/25 03:32 PM ET
Like you, I was looking forward to seeing VT's non-revenue sports get more
VTHokie2000 04/15/25 04:45 PM ET
VT should film every non-revenue game and put it up on the ACCN-X**
EDGEMAN 04/16/25 01:46 PM ET
Exactly. I realize for away games/events or neutral site tournaments that
VTHokie2000 04/16/25 02:50 PM ET
Nothing like watching VT Wrestling authoring a conference beat down on ACCN**
Maroon Baboon 04/15/25 04:07 PM ET
I love what we're building in wrestling
obguthr 04/16/25 12:50 PM ET
I understand that the ACCN is making money, you are guessing they won’t
Stech 04/15/25 10:14 AM ET
Go back and read what I wrote, very slowly, because you obviously didn't-
Baltimore_Hokie 04/15/25 10:35 AM ET
Many if not most are watching by streaming, that’s irrelevant, schools like
Stech 04/15/25 11:01 AM ET
Clearly, you failed to read again. Please ignore all my posts if you're not
Baltimore_Hokie 04/15/25 12:07 PM ET
The cable companies are losing subscribers? That can be substantiated. **
Big12 guy 04/15/25 10:20 AM ET
Those cable subscribers are moving to streaming subscribers, so...
EDGEMAN 04/15/25 03:34 PM ET
I don’t have cable, I watch it on Streaming, that’s irrelevant.**
Stech 04/15/25 10:35 AM ET
I guess you're just magically pulling it out of the air onto your TV!
Baltimore_Hokie 04/15/25 12:19 PM ET
Your overall premise is correct
RTFC 04/15/25 10:11 AM ET
I seriously doubt that a pro media personality would rather be doing-
Baltimore_Hokie 04/15/25 10:20 AM ET
Finebaum back drop is fake, you are talking about pennies to set back drop,
Stech 04/15/25 10:39 AM ET
OK, sure, whatever you say. You're right, I'm wrong. I have no argument.
Baltimore_Hokie 04/15/25 10:53 AM ET
My post said your premise was right
RTFC 04/15/25 12:09 PM ET
That post was in response to Stech, but the point remains.
Baltimore_Hokie 04/15/25 12:21 PM ET
a "sports media professional like Mark Packer"
RTFC 04/15/25 12:39 PM ET
No, I KNOW ESPN fired Packer and Wes Durham from their studio show-
Baltimore_Hokie 04/15/25 12:44 PM ET
Uhmm...
RTFC 04/15/25 12:54 PM ET
OK, fine. It was always Packer's plan to do a no-budget TV show from his-
Baltimore_Hokie 04/15/25 01:09 PM ET
Even if that's where he wants it, it's still an issue. It makes the ACCN
reestuart 04/15/25 10:15 AM ET
That's fair - its just not an economic decision.**
RTFC 04/15/25 12:03 PM ET
I agree with both of you on this, I like Packer a lot, but the basement
Stech 04/15/25 12:15 PM ET