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Will Stewart
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Au contraire ....

As I gripe about constantly, the final decisions will be made by presidents, chancellors, and BOVs, and academics and who they perceive as their "peer institutions" will heavily sway their decisions.
Posted: 06/11/2024 at 10:23 AM ET
(In response to this post by Pylons)

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Dwayne Yancey (Cardinal News) on why VT-SEC and UVA-B1G makes sense.
Will StewartAdmin • 06/11/24 08:33 AM ET
Good grief, more of the AAU nonsense. Decisions will revolve around $$.
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:13 PM ET
“if you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything”
Va AandM • 06/12/24 05:00 PM ET
He writes some great non sports articles also**
Fore_Hokies • 06/12/24 12:28 PM ET
Academic or Cultural?
WarHog38 • 06/11/24 04:21 PM ET
Culturally, I think VT is more Big-10 while UVA is more SEC
I85Hokie • 06/12/24 09:42 AM ET
While that may be true,
Pylons • 06/12/24 06:46 PM ET
A lot of this makes sense. However, I would love Tech in the AAU & B1G.
Oscar the American • 06/11/24 01:11 PM ET
Blacksburg is actually in the sweet spot on I-81
Hardcore_Hokie • 06/12/24 09:54 PM ET
Can't see the B1G taking both UVa and VT. And our vision moving forward.
Maroon Baboon • 06/12/24 03:15 AM ET
i don't think B1G alumni will like us for one big reason
MrBayAreaHokie • 06/11/24 07:04 PM ET
You’d be shocked at how many B1G alums live in the Carolinas
Hardcore_Hokie • 06/12/24 07:14 AM ET
We don't need Big Ten fans to fill our own stadium.
Maroon Baboon • 06/12/24 02:58 AM ET
Uhhh, Blacksburg is a breeze to get to compared to Happy Valley.**
Oscar the American • 06/12/24 12:40 AM ET
Actually, that's far from true
Tailgate Guru • 06/12/24 09:01 AM ET
State College PA is literally in the middle of nowhere.
Hardcore_Hokie • 06/13/24 05:40 AM ET
Say what?? It's a piece of cake from Western Md
marcbvtgm • 06/13/24 02:54 PM ET
I grew up in Western MD (Frederick) and you couldn’t pay me…
Hardcore_Hokie • 06/16/24 09:52 PM ET
Frederick is barely, if at all, Western Md.**
marcbvtgm • 08/05/24 12:04 PM ET
Sure
Hardcore_Hokie • 08/06/24 05:34 AM ET
I99/US220 (Bud Schuster Highway) isn’t bad if you get on
RJHokie • 06/16/24 10:01 PM ET
Take 220 from Cumberland, MD to Bedford PA, then 99 to State College
Tailgate Guru • 06/13/24 08:50 AM ET
Lost me at Cumberland MD and Bedford PA. Would rather take a nap.**
Hardcore_Hokie • 06/16/24 09:59 PM ET
I go to Happy Valley every other year.
Oscar the American • 06/12/24 10:34 AM ET
Vast majority of VT fans come from N, S & E, not W.
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:17 PM ET
I travel Route 460 as well
Tailgate Guru • 06/12/24 11:39 AM ET
Enter Sandman is on a lot of CFB fans bucket lists **
OrlandoHokie • 06/11/24 09:50 PM ET
Thing with Big Ten fans is they are everywhere. SEC people never leave.
reestuart • 06/11/24 08:07 PM ET
here are the numbers according to ChatGPT
MrBayAreaHokie • 06/11/24 08:54 PM ET
That doesn't take into account the people from these states. And I have to
reestuart • 06/12/24 08:50 AM ET
So, I get that VT travels, but when you are traveling to venues
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 08:34 PM ET
There are many Big10 fans that would love FSU in the Big10
dayooper • 06/11/24 02:15 PM ET
Not really. When it comes to Florida schools, Miami comes up. Not FSU.**
Oscar the American • 06/11/24 04:23 PM ET
“Comes up”? Among whom? What does that even mean? **
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:31 PM ET
The weather factor.**
manassashoo • 06/11/24 06:11 PM ET
I find just the opposite, but that’s fine
dayooper • 06/11/24 05:55 PM ET
I’d personally like to back to the conference lineup of around 20
reestuart • 06/11/24 08:09 PM ET
Yeah, I agree
dayooper • 06/11/24 09:15 PM ET
USC was massive get for the Big Ten.
Maroon Baboon • 06/12/24 03:06 AM ET
Yes, USC was huge
dayooper • 06/12/24 10:46 AM ET
The rumor mill......
2hhoop3 • 06/12/24 11:01 AM ET
If nothing else it is worth reading for it's takedown of Free Shoes U.**
Vippie1 • 06/11/24 12:48 PM ET
The 🐘 in the room is the relationship between UNC and UVa.
Maroon Baboon • 06/11/24 12:47 PM ET
Provincial nonsense. The UNC-UVa “relationship” will have zero impact.**
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:22 PM ET
Well, UVa can care about its association with UNC all it wants
Pylons • 06/11/24 04:05 PM ET
Completely disagree, UNC & UVA are very closely tied together
Poultrygeist • 06/12/24 10:53 AM ET
UNC would throw UVa overboard in a heartbeat if necessary.**
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:23 PM ET
Sure, they're rivals.
Pylons • 06/12/24 11:18 AM ET
Kudos to you. I was just going to post it.**
IB4TECH • 06/11/24 12:41 PM ET
thanks for sharing
DarylS • 06/11/24 11:15 AM ET
Couple comments / thoughts:
133193Hokie • 06/11/24 10:22 AM ET
Your point #2 is really interesting........
2hhoop3 • 06/11/24 11:22 AM ET
To me, there has always seemed to be a kinship among Big Ten & PAC 12
33laszlo99 • 06/11/24 12:32 PM ET
It's not shallow, but it's misguided
Pylons • 06/11/24 09:56 AM ET
Exactly. Conf’s, Assoc’s & Consortiums mean almost nothing in academia.**
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:25 PM ET
Not cultural? Whilst greed & fear do play an important part, I don't
VT757to276 • 06/11/24 10:55 AM ET
It doesn't really matter what Joe fan can see or not see
Pylons • 06/11/24 11:48 AM ET
It is always first........
2hhoop3 • 06/11/24 11:55 AM ET
100%. And the money is athletics money, not academic money.
Pylons • 06/11/24 12:01 PM ET
This is true, but the presidents like to hobnob and go
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 12:22 PM ET
How many university presidents have you gotten to know at all?
Pylons • 06/11/24 12:27 PM ET
Only a few, and all three were more interested in academics (donations),
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 12:33 PM ET
Well, as leaders of *academic* institutions, of course their concern
Pylons • 06/11/24 01:36 PM ET
Would "socializing" have been a more acceptable term? Same thing. **
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 03:21 PM ET
Sure. That seems less pejorative, but I'd still
Pylons • 06/11/24 03:26 PM ET
The AD is just a head of a department to most presidents. Athletics is
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 03:54 PM ET
Your first line points up.......
2hhoop3 • 06/11/24 01:44 PM ET
I've tried to make this same point about ESPN/Disney. They value the
33laszlo99 • 06/11/24 09:27 PM ET
I agree......
2hhoop3 • 06/11/24 10:01 PM ET
Right, there is no great media conspiracy. Thes guys are seriously
33laszlo99 • 06/11/24 10:21 PM ET
You're right.......
2hhoop3 • 06/11/24 10:37 PM ET
My sense is university leadership
mancunian • 06/11/24 02:24 PM ET
I think that is right........
2hhoop3 • 06/11/24 04:13 PM ET
I think that's sometimes true.
Pylons • 06/11/24 03:42 PM ET
Are you talking academic populations or the general
mancunian • 06/11/24 05:37 PM ET
The general USA population
Pylons • 06/11/24 07:55 PM ET
💯💯💯**
Pylons • 06/11/24 01:53 PM ET
I personally think the SEC needs to move a little west - Kansas and Arz
133193Hokie • 06/11/24 11:20 AM ET
What does Kansas bring?**
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:26 PM ET
Continuous States may be over rated in this environment, but in
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 11:59 AM ET
The stature Texas thinks it has, or the stature it really has?**
Tailgate Guru • 06/11/24 12:22 PM ET
It happens with any school, but far more often with Texas, that we talk as
33laszlo99 • 06/11/24 12:50 PM ET
Yes**
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 12:26 PM ET
No schools left add value
obguthr • 06/11/24 12:21 PM ET
So, if you were to take the MAG 7+1 as an example, and
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 12:24 PM ET
Consider Miami as a B1G addition. Are they worth the payout?
33laszlo99 • 06/11/24 01:32 PM ET
Miami is an interesting addition to the Big 10, but I don't see it
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 02:01 PM ET
I agree that Miami is a questionable take. My point was that Miami's value
33laszlo99 • 06/11/24 09:34 PM ET
Did you notice the SEC didn't think twice about adding any P12 schools?
EDGEMAN • 06/11/24 11:15 AM ET
Au contraire .... ◄
Will StewartAdmin • 06/11/24 10:23 AM ET
No it won’t. It will be driven by Univ Prez’s biggest concern & focus…$$$.**
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:28 PM ET
What is a conference move that you would say was
Pylons • 06/11/24 12:11 PM ET
Miami wanting to take along Syracuse and BC to the ACC with them ...
Will StewartAdmin • 06/11/24 12:56 PM ET
WVU made no sense either - and arguably even less sense than SU & BC.
marcbvtgm • 06/14/24 12:44 PM ET
Miami didn't think enough of the NE students to ask for BC to be their ...
Atlee Hokie • 06/16/24 10:21 PM ET
Swofford and his minions convinced Scum and Flunky St that
RJHokie • 06/16/24 10:37 PM ET
It failed, like most of his poor decisions that he made, during his career **
FLKEYSHOKIE • 06/17/24 12:06 AM ET
And that's why the ACCCG was in Florida so many years.**
Atlee Hokie • 06/16/24 11:43 PM ET
ACC not taking WVU in 03
mancunian • 06/11/24 01:33 PM ET
Chalk that up to Swofford.
Atlee Hokie • 06/11/24 01:18 PM ET
Every ACC expansion in the 21st century that omitted WVU
Tailgate Guru • 06/11/24 12:27 PM ET
Incorrect. It’s about future $$ - and WVU is a shrinking pop w/ low avg inc**
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:30 PM ET
It’s more about how folks spend what $ they have.
Tailgate Guru • 06/12/24 09:06 PM ET
Wrong side of the equation
Pylons • 06/11/24 12:30 PM ET
You changed the issue
Tailgate Guru • 06/11/24 03:07 PM ET
Well, I don't think I really did. Look at Will's "au contraire" post
Pylons • 06/11/24 03:38 PM ET
But in general, the perspective of the invitee does not matter
Tailgate Guru • 06/11/24 04:36 PM ET
Fair enough, but
Pylons • 06/11/24 04:46 PM ET
I guess the PAC is indeed a distant memory then. Then you
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 09:30 PM ET
Well the Ivy League is a totally different animal.
Pylons • 06/12/24 01:13 AM ET
As an academic
Pylons • 06/11/24 11:44 AM ET
Academics may heavily sway the decision until the money gets involved.
HokieEngineer • 06/11/24 01:49 PM ET
Disagree with both you and Will. This time the Tv networks..
kt22hokie • 06/11/24 01:22 PM ET
There is a way.
VTCALS72 • 06/11/24 07:36 PM ET
It's the Lake Woebegone League. All teams are above average.**
33laszlo99 • 06/11/24 10:39 PM ET
Not sure how you're disagreeing with me there.
Pylons • 06/11/24 01:38 PM ET
Great info. Thanks!**
VT ChemE 1986 • 06/11/24 12:18 PM ET
Remember on Mad Men when Roger explodes on Pete
mancunian • 06/11/24 11:23 AM ET
Interesting, but I wish he had taken it a step further. Apply it to recent
wwhokie1 • 06/11/24 09:27 AM ET
I can tell you which of those Michigan put as their peers
dayooper • 06/11/24 09:49 AM ET
Nothing makes sense until I see clearly how…
Gator Hokie • 06/11/24 09:22 AM ET
Of the two, the second is far more likely IMO
HydrogenHokie • 06/11/24 11:30 AM ET
UVa would be one of the two smallest schools in the Big Ten with a paltry
reestuart • 06/11/24 08:51 AM ET
Bingo. UVa is not a particularly appealing target. Nobody in the ACC is.
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:32 PM ET
I agree with all of that. I can maybe see FSU or possibly UNC to Big Ten.
reestuart • 06/12/24 09:09 PM ET
I could be very well wrong (ask my wife) but
dayooper • 06/11/24 09:42 AM ET
They didn’t invite Stanford and Cal because they already got CA viewers
WuhBuh-DC_Hokie • 06/11/24 04:01 PM ET
Yep. This isn't me hating on UVa, but pretty much all the schools you
reestuart • 06/11/24 11:04 AM ET
actually, the enrollment stat is underreported
DMV Gobbler • 06/11/24 08:59 AM ET
Remember this isn’t about 2024. It’s about 2040 and beyond.
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:35 PM ET
NC State and VT should be targets of the Big Ten IMO.
Maroon Baboon • 06/11/24 12:58 PM ET
Northwestern may have more students than UVa.
reestuart • 06/11/24 11:05 AM ET
VT is "Virginia's university"**
EDGEMAN • 06/11/24 10:28 AM ET