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Va AandM
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Va AandM

“if you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything”

Ronald H. Coase, a renowned British Economist The report Yancey uses regards admissions, enrollment, military vet support, retention and grad rates, etc. How this applies to sports conferences…? Here’s the selected peers VT chose for 2022 Cornell University (Ithaca, NY) Iowa State University (Ames, IA) Michigan State University (East Lansing, MI) North Carolina State University at Raleigh (Raleigh, NC) Ohio State University-Main Campus (Columbus, OH) Purdue University-Main Campus (West Lafayette, IN) Rutgers University-New Brunswick (New Brunswick, NJ) Stony Brook University (Stony Brook, NY) Texas A & M University-College Station (College Station, TX) The Pennsylvania State University (University Park, PA) The University of Texas at Austin (Austin, TX) University at Buffalo (Buffalo, NY) University of California-Berkeley (Berkeley, CA) University of California-Davis (Davis, CA) University of Colorado Boulder (Boulder, CO) University of Florida (Gainesville, FL) University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign (Champaign, IL) University of Maryland-College Park (College Park, MD) University of Michigan-Ann Arbor (Ann Arbor, MI) University of Minnesota-Twin Cities (Minneapolis, MN) University of Missouri-Columbia (Columbia, MO) University of Pittsburgh-Pittsburgh Campus (Pittsburgh, PA) University of Southern California (Los Angeles, CA) University of Washington-Seattle Campus (Seattle, WA) University of Wisconsin-Madison (Madison, WI) I’m linking to the full report ** Edited by Va AandM at 6/12/2024, 5:05:30 PM
Link: 2022 IPEDS report providing Chronicles dat
Posted: 06/12/2024 at 05:00 PM ET
(In response to this post by Will Stewart)

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Dwayne Yancey (Cardinal News) on why VT-SEC and UVA-B1G makes sense.
Will StewartAdmin • 06/11/24 08:33 AM ET
Good grief, more of the AAU nonsense. Decisions will revolve around $$.
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:13 PM ET
“if you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything” ◄
Va AandM • 06/12/24 05:00 PM ET
He writes some great non sports articles also**
Fore_Hokies • 06/12/24 12:28 PM ET
Academic or Cultural?
WarHog38 • 06/11/24 04:21 PM ET
Culturally, I think VT is more Big-10 while UVA is more SEC
I85Hokie • 06/12/24 09:42 AM ET
While that may be true,
Pylons • 06/12/24 06:46 PM ET
A lot of this makes sense. However, I would love Tech in the AAU & B1G.
Oscar the American • 06/11/24 01:11 PM ET
Blacksburg is actually in the sweet spot on I-81
Hardcore_Hokie • 06/12/24 09:54 PM ET
Can't see the B1G taking both UVa and VT. And our vision moving forward.
Maroon Baboon • 06/12/24 03:15 AM ET
i don't think B1G alumni will like us for one big reason
MrBayAreaHokie • 06/11/24 07:04 PM ET
You’d be shocked at how many B1G alums live in the Carolinas
Hardcore_Hokie • 06/12/24 07:14 AM ET
We don't need Big Ten fans to fill our own stadium.
Maroon Baboon • 06/12/24 02:58 AM ET
Uhhh, Blacksburg is a breeze to get to compared to Happy Valley.**
Oscar the American • 06/12/24 12:40 AM ET
Actually, that's far from true
Tailgate Guru • 06/12/24 09:01 AM ET
State College PA is literally in the middle of nowhere.
Hardcore_Hokie • 06/13/24 05:40 AM ET
Say what?? It's a piece of cake from Western Md
marcbvtgm • 06/13/24 02:54 PM ET
I grew up in Western MD (Frederick) and you couldn’t pay me…
Hardcore_Hokie • 06/16/24 09:52 PM ET
Frederick is barely, if at all, Western Md.**
marcbvtgm • 08/05/24 12:04 PM ET
Sure
Hardcore_Hokie • 08/06/24 05:34 AM ET
I99/US220 (Bud Schuster Highway) isn’t bad if you get on
RJHokie • 06/16/24 10:01 PM ET
Take 220 from Cumberland, MD to Bedford PA, then 99 to State College
Tailgate Guru • 06/13/24 08:50 AM ET
Lost me at Cumberland MD and Bedford PA. Would rather take a nap.**
Hardcore_Hokie • 06/16/24 09:59 PM ET
I go to Happy Valley every other year.
Oscar the American • 06/12/24 10:34 AM ET
Vast majority of VT fans come from N, S & E, not W.
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:17 PM ET
I travel Route 460 as well
Tailgate Guru • 06/12/24 11:39 AM ET
Enter Sandman is on a lot of CFB fans bucket lists **
OrlandoHokie • 06/11/24 09:50 PM ET
Thing with Big Ten fans is they are everywhere. SEC people never leave.
reestuart • 06/11/24 08:07 PM ET
here are the numbers according to ChatGPT
MrBayAreaHokie • 06/11/24 08:54 PM ET
That doesn't take into account the people from these states. And I have to
reestuart • 06/12/24 08:50 AM ET
So, I get that VT travels, but when you are traveling to venues
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 08:34 PM ET
There are many Big10 fans that would love FSU in the Big10
dayooper • 06/11/24 02:15 PM ET
Not really. When it comes to Florida schools, Miami comes up. Not FSU.**
Oscar the American • 06/11/24 04:23 PM ET
“Comes up”? Among whom? What does that even mean? **
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:31 PM ET
The weather factor.**
manassashoo • 06/11/24 06:11 PM ET
I find just the opposite, but that’s fine
dayooper • 06/11/24 05:55 PM ET
I’d personally like to back to the conference lineup of around 20
reestuart • 06/11/24 08:09 PM ET
Yeah, I agree
dayooper • 06/11/24 09:15 PM ET
USC was massive get for the Big Ten.
Maroon Baboon • 06/12/24 03:06 AM ET
Yes, USC was huge
dayooper • 06/12/24 10:46 AM ET
The rumor mill......
2hhoop3 • 06/12/24 11:01 AM ET
If nothing else it is worth reading for it's takedown of Free Shoes U.**
Vippie1 • 06/11/24 12:48 PM ET
The 🐘 in the room is the relationship between UNC and UVa.
Maroon Baboon • 06/11/24 12:47 PM ET
Provincial nonsense. The UNC-UVa “relationship” will have zero impact.**
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:22 PM ET
Well, UVa can care about its association with UNC all it wants
Pylons • 06/11/24 04:05 PM ET
Completely disagree, UNC & UVA are very closely tied together
Poultrygeist • 06/12/24 10:53 AM ET
UNC would throw UVa overboard in a heartbeat if necessary.**
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:23 PM ET
Sure, they're rivals.
Pylons • 06/12/24 11:18 AM ET
Kudos to you. I was just going to post it.**
IB4TECH • 06/11/24 12:41 PM ET
thanks for sharing
DarylS • 06/11/24 11:15 AM ET
Couple comments / thoughts:
133193Hokie • 06/11/24 10:22 AM ET
Your point #2 is really interesting........
2hhoop3 • 06/11/24 11:22 AM ET
To me, there has always seemed to be a kinship among Big Ten & PAC 12
33laszlo99 • 06/11/24 12:32 PM ET
It's not shallow, but it's misguided
Pylons • 06/11/24 09:56 AM ET
Exactly. Conf’s, Assoc’s & Consortiums mean almost nothing in academia.**
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:25 PM ET
Not cultural? Whilst greed & fear do play an important part, I don't
VT757to276 • 06/11/24 10:55 AM ET
It doesn't really matter what Joe fan can see or not see
Pylons • 06/11/24 11:48 AM ET
It is always first........
2hhoop3 • 06/11/24 11:55 AM ET
100%. And the money is athletics money, not academic money.
Pylons • 06/11/24 12:01 PM ET
This is true, but the presidents like to hobnob and go
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 12:22 PM ET
How many university presidents have you gotten to know at all?
Pylons • 06/11/24 12:27 PM ET
Only a few, and all three were more interested in academics (donations),
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 12:33 PM ET
Well, as leaders of *academic* institutions, of course their concern
Pylons • 06/11/24 01:36 PM ET
Would "socializing" have been a more acceptable term? Same thing. **
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 03:21 PM ET
Sure. That seems less pejorative, but I'd still
Pylons • 06/11/24 03:26 PM ET
The AD is just a head of a department to most presidents. Athletics is
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 03:54 PM ET
Your first line points up.......
2hhoop3 • 06/11/24 01:44 PM ET
I've tried to make this same point about ESPN/Disney. They value the
33laszlo99 • 06/11/24 09:27 PM ET
I agree......
2hhoop3 • 06/11/24 10:01 PM ET
Right, there is no great media conspiracy. Thes guys are seriously
33laszlo99 • 06/11/24 10:21 PM ET
You're right.......
2hhoop3 • 06/11/24 10:37 PM ET
My sense is university leadership
mancunian • 06/11/24 02:24 PM ET
I think that is right........
2hhoop3 • 06/11/24 04:13 PM ET
I think that's sometimes true.
Pylons • 06/11/24 03:42 PM ET
Are you talking academic populations or the general
mancunian • 06/11/24 05:37 PM ET
The general USA population
Pylons • 06/11/24 07:55 PM ET
💯💯💯**
Pylons • 06/11/24 01:53 PM ET
I personally think the SEC needs to move a little west - Kansas and Arz
133193Hokie • 06/11/24 11:20 AM ET
What does Kansas bring?**
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:26 PM ET
Continuous States may be over rated in this environment, but in
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 11:59 AM ET
The stature Texas thinks it has, or the stature it really has?**
Tailgate Guru • 06/11/24 12:22 PM ET
It happens with any school, but far more often with Texas, that we talk as
33laszlo99 • 06/11/24 12:50 PM ET
Yes**
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 12:26 PM ET
No schools left add value
obguthr • 06/11/24 12:21 PM ET
So, if you were to take the MAG 7+1 as an example, and
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 12:24 PM ET
Consider Miami as a B1G addition. Are they worth the payout?
33laszlo99 • 06/11/24 01:32 PM ET
Miami is an interesting addition to the Big 10, but I don't see it
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 02:01 PM ET
I agree that Miami is a questionable take. My point was that Miami's value
33laszlo99 • 06/11/24 09:34 PM ET
Did you notice the SEC didn't think twice about adding any P12 schools?
EDGEMAN • 06/11/24 11:15 AM ET
Au contraire ....
Will StewartAdmin • 06/11/24 10:23 AM ET
No it won’t. It will be driven by Univ Prez’s biggest concern & focus…$$$.**
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:28 PM ET
What is a conference move that you would say was
Pylons • 06/11/24 12:11 PM ET
Miami wanting to take along Syracuse and BC to the ACC with them ...
Will StewartAdmin • 06/11/24 12:56 PM ET
WVU made no sense either - and arguably even less sense than SU & BC.
marcbvtgm • 06/14/24 12:44 PM ET
Miami didn't think enough of the NE students to ask for BC to be their ...
Atlee Hokie • 06/16/24 10:21 PM ET
Swofford and his minions convinced Scum and Flunky St that
RJHokie • 06/16/24 10:37 PM ET
It failed, like most of his poor decisions that he made, during his career **
FLKEYSHOKIE • 06/17/24 12:06 AM ET
And that's why the ACCCG was in Florida so many years.**
Atlee Hokie • 06/16/24 11:43 PM ET
ACC not taking WVU in 03
mancunian • 06/11/24 01:33 PM ET
Chalk that up to Swofford.
Atlee Hokie • 06/11/24 01:18 PM ET
Every ACC expansion in the 21st century that omitted WVU
Tailgate Guru • 06/11/24 12:27 PM ET
Incorrect. It’s about future $$ - and WVU is a shrinking pop w/ low avg inc**
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:30 PM ET
It’s more about how folks spend what $ they have.
Tailgate Guru • 06/12/24 09:06 PM ET
Wrong side of the equation
Pylons • 06/11/24 12:30 PM ET
You changed the issue
Tailgate Guru • 06/11/24 03:07 PM ET
Well, I don't think I really did. Look at Will's "au contraire" post
Pylons • 06/11/24 03:38 PM ET
But in general, the perspective of the invitee does not matter
Tailgate Guru • 06/11/24 04:36 PM ET
Fair enough, but
Pylons • 06/11/24 04:46 PM ET
I guess the PAC is indeed a distant memory then. Then you
Big12 guy • 06/11/24 09:30 PM ET
Well the Ivy League is a totally different animal.
Pylons • 06/12/24 01:13 AM ET
As an academic
Pylons • 06/11/24 11:44 AM ET
Academics may heavily sway the decision until the money gets involved.
HokieEngineer • 06/11/24 01:49 PM ET
Disagree with both you and Will. This time the Tv networks..
kt22hokie • 06/11/24 01:22 PM ET
There is a way.
VTCALS72 • 06/11/24 07:36 PM ET
It's the Lake Woebegone League. All teams are above average.**
33laszlo99 • 06/11/24 10:39 PM ET
Not sure how you're disagreeing with me there.
Pylons • 06/11/24 01:38 PM ET
Great info. Thanks!**
VT ChemE 1986 • 06/11/24 12:18 PM ET
Remember on Mad Men when Roger explodes on Pete
mancunian • 06/11/24 11:23 AM ET
Interesting, but I wish he had taken it a step further. Apply it to recent
wwhokie1 • 06/11/24 09:27 AM ET
I can tell you which of those Michigan put as their peers
dayooper • 06/11/24 09:49 AM ET
Nothing makes sense until I see clearly how…
Gator Hokie • 06/11/24 09:22 AM ET
Of the two, the second is far more likely IMO
HydrogenHokie • 06/11/24 11:30 AM ET
UVa would be one of the two smallest schools in the Big Ten with a paltry
reestuart • 06/11/24 08:51 AM ET
Bingo. UVa is not a particularly appealing target. Nobody in the ACC is.
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:32 PM ET
I agree with all of that. I can maybe see FSU or possibly UNC to Big Ten.
reestuart • 06/12/24 09:09 PM ET
I could be very well wrong (ask my wife) but
dayooper • 06/11/24 09:42 AM ET
They didn’t invite Stanford and Cal because they already got CA viewers
WuhBuh-DC_Hokie • 06/11/24 04:01 PM ET
Yep. This isn't me hating on UVa, but pretty much all the schools you
reestuart • 06/11/24 11:04 AM ET
actually, the enrollment stat is underreported
DMV Gobbler • 06/11/24 08:59 AM ET
Remember this isn’t about 2024. It’s about 2040 and beyond.
marcbvtgm • 06/12/24 08:35 PM ET
NC State and VT should be targets of the Big Ten IMO.
Maroon Baboon • 06/11/24 12:58 PM ET
Northwestern may have more students than UVa.
reestuart • 06/11/24 11:05 AM ET
VT is "Virginia's university"**
EDGEMAN • 06/11/24 10:28 AM ET