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D) The ACC and CFA (it all goes back decades)

In 1978 the ACC was just 7 teams. The Big Ten was 10 teams. The PAC-10 was 10 teams. And the SEC was 10 teams. The B12 didn't exist yet, but there was the Big Eight with 8 teams. We also still had the Southwest with 9 teams. And there were a butt load of independents. Between 1978 and 2010 the ACC expanded four times with five teams total and started the raid process: - GT (independent) in '83 - FSU (independent) in '92 - Miami (BE) and VT (BE) in '04 - BC (BE) in '05 In that same time period ('78-'10) the others combined had: - SEC added Arkansas (Southwest) in '91 - Big Ten added Penn State (independent) in '93 - Big 12 was born in '96 by merging Big Eight with Southwest (Baylor, Texas, A&M, Texas Tech) - Big East football was born in '91 from a bunch of independents In 2011 the flood gates finally opened after the ACC had grown to 12 football schools and raided the BE: - Pac 10 added Colorado and Utah in '11 - SEC added Missouri and Texas A&M in '12 - Big 12 lost 2 to SEC and adds TCU and WVU in '12 - ACC added Pitt and Syracuse (and ND for non-football) in '13 - Big East football died after the final ACC raid in '13 As for the College Football Association (CFA), well that goes back to 1984 and the Supreme Court case that opened up conferences to negotiate media contracts. Apparently that was the first snowflake that started the avalanche. And the link I have below has some very interesting history on the B12. Granted it is wikipedia, but the basics lay out a history where the B12 really never should have been created. Back in the 90's A&M was already flirting with the SEC and Texas with the PAC but outside parties seem to have derailed that and forced the B12 as a compromise. The more I read, the less I blame the BIG and SEC for the current state of things. ** Edited by HokieAl at 4/18/2024, 10:37:05 AM
Posted: 04/18/2024 at 09:08 AM ET
(In response to this post by Stech)

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🐓 or 🥚 poll: PAC gone, B12 a *shell of what it used to b, ACC FSU Clemson
Stech 04/17/24 09:43 PM ET
Athletic Conferences have been changing membership ever since they were
WBGV 04/18/24 11:16 AM ET
I don’t see why the ACC can’t survive if B12 lost 5 top football schools.
Stech 04/18/24 02:10 PM ET
I guess the PAC technically survived as a conference,
WBGV 04/19/24 11:37 AM ET
I don't consider the PAC surviving, I do consider the B12 surviving with 5
Stech 04/19/24 12:18 PM ET
Difference is that the Big 12 added really good schools, power worthy.
HouClone 04/19/24 02:29 PM ET
Memphis used to be Memphis State, they are a State school, they have
Stech 04/19/24 03:44 PM ET
The PAC 12 defectors.......
2hhoop3 04/19/24 02:36 PM ET
The Big 12 survived because they were able to get better TV media rights
WBGV 04/19/24 01:00 PM ET
ESPN has lost the B1G and B12 🏀, so they have room for tier 2 too.
Stech 04/19/24 01:39 PM ET
The Big 12 reached a six-year extension with ESPN and Fox in October 2022.
WBGV 04/19/24 03:08 PM ET
You mean the same reason Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Missouri
Stech 04/19/24 03:25 PM ET
I agree **
HokiesACC2004 04/19/24 10:09 AM ET
I agree. if the media contract is plus or minus the B12 contract,
Big12 guy 04/18/24 04:51 PM ET
Louisville and Pitt would still be attractive to the XII.
obguthr 04/19/24 05:41 AM ET
The ACC could absolutely survive a Mag 7 exodus. They have to really want
33laszlo99 04/18/24 02:26 PM ET
The ACC will make it, but it won't be the ACC anymore
Tailgate Guru 04/18/24 02:25 PM ET
All of it frankly. but throw in E. NCAA incompetence. **
VT Pez4Life 04/18/24 10:41 AM ET
A. Believe the networks have been colluding to make an NFL lite type...
kt22hokie 04/18/24 10:13 AM ET
D. Fans, viewers and legalized gambling
Vienna_Hokie 04/18/24 10:05 AM ET
Agreed, but I would also add rich fans with weird priorities...
MP4VT2004 04/19/24 06:45 PM ET
D) The ACC and CFA (it all goes back decades)
HokieAl 04/18/24 09:08 AM ET
NCAA**
CrystalCoveHokie 04/18/24 09:03 AM ET
A and C dwarf anything else.**
VTCALS72 04/18/24 08:41 AM ET
I'm with Atlee...I vote E) All of the above**
EDGEMAN 04/18/24 06:34 AM ET
Networks
obguthr 04/18/24 06:23 AM ET
D. SCOTUS case (NCAA vs. U. of Oklahoma) and conference championship games
Maroon Baboon 04/18/24 12:28 AM ET
Stiney 😜**
MrBayAreaHokie 04/17/24 11:34 PM ET
A and b
DMV Gobbler 04/17/24 11:02 PM ET
E) All the above**
Atlee Hokie 04/17/24 10:31 PM ET
D - Greed**
RJHokie 04/17/24 09:46 PM ET
I'd add power too.
Old Line Hokie 04/18/24 10:09 AM ET
Agree!**
RJHokie 04/18/24 04:52 PM ET
Recency bias. The original greed was ACC stealing from Big East
HokieAl 04/18/24 10:41 AM ET
The original greed was the Big East excluding PSU
Tailgate Guru 04/18/24 02:28 PM ET
A conference of Eastern indys
mancunian 04/18/24 03:13 PM ET
Big 8 raided the SWC way before that
Truthahn 04/18/24 12:16 PM ET
I admit that my knowledge of the SWC is limited
HokieAl 04/18/24 12:58 PM ET
Once Arkansas left the entire
mancunian 04/18/24 02:06 PM ET
And Arkansas hasn't had a rival since. Money and stability
HouClone 04/18/24 02:41 PM ET
I sorta liked the old SWC.
mancunian 04/18/24 02:47 PM ET
Who is the biggest leader in greediness in your mind?**
Stech 04/17/24 09:49 PM ET
Texass**
RJHokie 04/17/24 09:51 PM ET
Why do you say that?**
Stech 04/17/24 09:52 PM ET
They never have enough money and rarely win national championships
RJHokie 04/17/24 09:55 PM ET
The "best" answer !**
FLKEYSHOKIE 04/17/24 09:47 PM ET
Same to you, who is the biggest leader in greediness?**
Stech 04/17/24 09:51 PM ET
Very close between the SEC and Big 10 Conferences !**
FLKEYSHOKIE 04/17/24 10:01 PM ET