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Agree in spirit, but differences I see are capacity, home dates, & weather
First off, I should say I believe VT should charge for softball. It's an issue of intent and attitude, as much as it is revenue, in my opinion. By making games free, it signals (to me) that you don't see it as valuable or as important as others, even when the program has been one of the most successful at the university over the past few years.
I also think we're all in agreement that tickets should still be free for students (VT and maybe even for local high school students for positive community relations?) so you don't price them out and still encourage them to come to the games, and "adults" with jobs or are retired have $5-$10 to pay for tickets without causing a sizable dent to their wallets.
However, I don't know that tickets would be as significant a revenue boost as folks might think. For one, Tech Softball Park's capacity is just over 1,000 (more if they bring the temporary bleachers back). Arizona State (cited by Chip above) is over 1,500. A good chunk of SEC, Big 12, and PAC-12 (not for long) stadiums seat well above that and bring more folks in. Alabama averaged close to 4,000 fans a game during the 2023 season (3,745). When I went to the VT-Tennessee game in Knoxville two seasons ago, the attendance was over 2,000, and South Carolina (a middling SEC program) had over 1,800 at their home game against NC State on March 17.
In 2023, VT's average attendance (1,075) ranked 20th in the country. They were actually closer to #33 in the country (Penn State) than to #15 (Washington). In 2022, the Hokies ranked 23rd nationally in total attendance.
The other issue around revenue is home dates and weather. In 2023, VT played 19 home games (according to the data I looked at). 17 schools in the top 25 for attendance played more -- 5 played 28 or more, and one played over 30 -- and 4 played the same amount. Only three schools played less than 19 but they all averaged more fans than VT does: Oregon (15; 1,881), Oklahoma (16; 1,594), Michigan (18; 1,346).
Weather has a great deal to do with that and attendance is correlated. Formerly living in Blacksburg, I know games the first few weeks of the season aren't exactly ideal for fans, and you can't play many of them anyway. Schools with bigger stadiums and more home dates in more advantageous climates can produce more revenue. Does that mean Virginia Tech shouldn't charge, even nominally as a statement? No, VT absolutely should.
I live in the Northeast now (though I am making the trip down to Durham this weekend!) and UConn, where I often go, charges $7 and $9 for tickets. The early season games I've been to have been frigid. They also only get ~150 people or so -- they can't be making any money at all. When I head to Syracuse for the VT series later this season, I saw they don't charge at all, and nor does Boston College. But if UConn can charge, a program as successful as VT has been should as well. VT is competing at a national level, and as an athletic department it's important to behave accordingly.
** Edited by hokiehigh2000 at 3/25/2024, 7:31:25 PM
Thread Replies (65)
The Saturday game at Duke is sold out...
-- VTChip
Mar 25, 2024 at 10:50 AM ET
VTChip
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03/25/24 10:50 AM ET
Duke charges -- ACC $7 Adults /$5 kids. OOC Free**
-- HOaKIE
Mar 25, 2024 at 05:46 PM ET
HOaKIE
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03/25/24 05:46 PM ET
All Hokie softball fans are confused by this post **
-- BackInTheBurg
Mar 25, 2024 at 04:30 PM ET
BackInTheBurg
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03/25/24 04:30 PM ET
What? Thought I was pissed. Now I am confused.**
-- laphroaig
Mar 25, 2024 at 07:00 PM ET
laphroaig
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03/25/24 07:00 PM ET
Do I feel lucky. Just got all 3 games yesterday.**
-- nkhooch
Mar 25, 2024 at 01:40 PM ET
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03/25/24 01:40 PM ET
Just grabbed tix for both Friday and Saturday!**
-- Tex-Mex
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:51 AM ET
Tex-Mex
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03/25/24 11:51 AM ET
Me too. Gen Admin on Friday and SRO on Saturday.**
-- hokietony
Mar 25, 2024 at 12:02 PM ET
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03/25/24 12:02 PM ET
What is this "sold" stuff about softball? Sold? WTH!**
-- laphroaig
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:51 AM ET
laphroaig
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03/25/24 11:51 AM ET
Is a weird concept those Dookies have come up with to make money
-- VTChip
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:54 AM ET
VTChip
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03/25/24 11:54 AM ET
We deginitely need to charge like baseball.**
-- mygreenbaypackers
Mar 25, 2024 at 03:33 PM ET
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03/25/24 03:33 PM ET
Just think - all the money softball could raise selling even inexpensive
-- laphroaig
Mar 25, 2024 at 12:37 PM ET
laphroaig
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03/25/24 12:37 PM ET
Looks like Friday is sold out also.**
-- hokietony
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:27 AM ET
hokietony
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03/25/24 11:27 AM ET
Still showing tickets available at this moment
-- VTChip
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:48 AM ET
VTChip
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03/25/24 11:48 AM ET
Duke must be smart, rea;;y smart.
-- Atlee Hokie
Mar 25, 2024 at 10:58 AM ET
Atlee Hokie
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03/25/24 10:58 AM ET
And other Power 5s don't. I know for sure ND, Louisville, and UGA don't.
-- nkhooch
Mar 25, 2024 at 02:39 PM ET
nkhooch
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03/25/24 02:39 PM ET
So we are going to disagree on this one
-- VTChip
Mar 25, 2024 at 04:19 PM ET
VTChip
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03/25/24 04:19 PM ET
Agree in spirit, but differences I see are capacity, home dates, & weather
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-- hokiehigh2000
Mar 25, 2024 at 06:27 PM ET
hokiehigh2000
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03/25/24 06:27 PM ET
Great info, thanks. I see Arizona St., who Chip spoke with, had
-- nkhooch
Mar 26, 2024 at 03:04 AM ET
nkhooch
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03/26/24 03:04 AM ET
Just for info, here's how other ACC schools handle softball ticketing:
-- saret
Mar 25, 2024 at 09:52 PM ET
saret
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03/25/24 09:52 PM ET
Syracuse does play softball but they don’t charge for admission. **
-- RJHokie
Mar 25, 2024 at 09:54 PM ET
RJHokie
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03/25/24 09:54 PM ET
Syracuse should pay fans to look at those all orange uniforms. VT orange
-- laphroaig
Mar 26, 2024 at 12:26 PM ET
laphroaig
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03/26/24 12:26 PM ET
Thanks RJ, my bad. I went back and edited my OP.👍**
-- saret
Mar 25, 2024 at 10:00 PM ET
saret
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03/25/24 10:00 PM ET
Is there another way to monetize the game besides tickets?
-- FriendofCoal
Mar 25, 2024 at 06:24 PM ET
FriendofCoal
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03/25/24 06:24 PM ET
Easy - you pay up front and a sticker with your name is put on your seat.
-- laphroaig
Mar 26, 2024 at 05:15 AM ET
laphroaig
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03/26/24 05:15 AM ET
Ask Permission... or Beg Forgiveness?
-- Hokie4Life_89
Mar 27, 2024 at 11:07 AM ET
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03/27/24 11:07 AM ET
When Chip was in Zona, think he sent me a pic of stickers on seats that
-- laphroaig
Mar 27, 2024 at 12:01 PM ET
laphroaig
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03/27/24 12:01 PM ET
I don't think there's a contract problem
-- Hokie4Life_89
Mar 27, 2024 at 03:47 PM ET
Hokie4Life_89
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03/27/24 03:47 PM ET
It is worth a try but there's no urgency from any VT office.**
-- laphroaig
Mar 27, 2024 at 06:57 PM ET
laphroaig
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03/27/24 06:57 PM ET
I continue to like your idea. As an alternative to "tickets" ......
-- FriendofCoal
Mar 26, 2024 at 05:50 AM ET
FriendofCoal
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03/26/24 05:50 AM ET
When you "fundraise" you don't NOT do something. As far as your thoughts
-- laphroaig
Mar 26, 2024 at 10:26 AM ET
laphroaig
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03/26/24 10:26 AM ET
^^^That^^^… and pass the hat!**
-- DonHo-kieHi
Mar 25, 2024 at 09:00 PM ET
DonHo-kieHi
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03/25/24 09:00 PM ET
Where have I heard that idea? LOL**
-- VTChip
Mar 25, 2024 at 09:32 PM ET
VTChip
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03/25/24 09:32 PM ET
Paciolan will take all the ticket revenue…….😁**
-- RJHokie
Mar 25, 2024 at 09:55 PM ET
RJHokie
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03/25/24 09:55 PM ET
Here's my question - why would we give up all our authority to sell tickets
-- laphroaig
Mar 26, 2024 at 10:35 AM ET
laphroaig
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03/26/24 10:35 AM ET
I'll email you a copy of the contract if you want it.
-- saret
Mar 26, 2024 at 11:40 AM ET
saret
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03/26/24 11:40 AM ET
IMG/Learfield & Sidearm are out at VT at the end of this school year.**
-- TheFacts
Mar 26, 2024 at 12:33 PM ET
TheFacts
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03/26/24 12:33 PM ET
OK. What is your source. Or do you work in the AthDept?**
-- saret
Mar 26, 2024 at 12:53 PM ET
saret
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03/26/24 12:53 PM ET
Where can we find this public knowledge?**
-- Atlee Hokie
Mar 26, 2024 at 02:10 PM ET
Atlee Hokie
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03/26/24 02:10 PM ET
The link provided in that post on news from October.**
-- TheFacts
Mar 26, 2024 at 02:11 PM ET
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03/26/24 02:11 PM ET
No problem on the length of the reply. Still don't know if VT did give
-- laphroaig
Mar 26, 2024 at 12:04 PM ET
laphroaig
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03/26/24 12:04 PM ET
It depends on how you read/interpret the contract.
-- saret
Mar 26, 2024 at 12:12 PM ET
saret
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03/26/24 12:12 PM ET
Additionally, Paciolan will handle all the ticketing as well as the
-- saret
Mar 25, 2024 at 10:03 PM ET
saret
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03/25/24 10:03 PM ET
Paciolan may be the impediment, however ...
-- Atlee Hokie
Mar 25, 2024 at 10:29 PM ET
Atlee Hokie
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03/25/24 10:29 PM ET
Yeah, reading the contract is very interesting. And, when looking into it,
-- saret
Mar 26, 2024 at 09:36 AM ET
saret
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03/26/24 09:36 AM ET
I agree after what we’ve learned from your recent inquiries. **
-- RJHokie
Mar 25, 2024 at 10:10 PM ET
RJHokie
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03/25/24 10:10 PM ET
OK. Don't know enough about your plan and how it addressed the issues I
-- nkhooch
Mar 25, 2024 at 06:22 PM ET
nkhooch
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03/25/24 06:22 PM ET
Have you met with the new sports CFO? Might be an avenue. New blood
-- GBOHokie
Mar 25, 2024 at 04:27 PM ET
GBOHokie
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03/25/24 04:27 PM ET
Possible the new CFO will have a lot of questions for our AD.
-- laphroaig
Mar 26, 2024 at 10:49 AM ET
laphroaig
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03/26/24 10:49 AM ET
There are opt out clauses to the contracts.
-- saret
Mar 26, 2024 at 11:45 AM ET
saret
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03/26/24 11:45 AM ET
Specific outsourcing may be a good thing. Signing away total control? NO!**
-- laphroaig
Mar 26, 2024 at 12:09 PM ET
laphroaig
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03/26/24 12:09 PM ET
It will be interesting to see if he has some creativity for increasing $$$
-- UpperQuad
Mar 25, 2024 at 09:59 PM ET
UpperQuad
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03/25/24 09:59 PM ET
Here's a revenue opportunity. If an employee of Paciolan is using VT
-- laphroaig
Mar 26, 2024 at 12:17 PM ET
laphroaig
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03/26/24 12:17 PM ET
It's written into the contract that VT will provide
-- saret
Mar 26, 2024 at 12:21 PM ET
saret
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03/26/24 12:21 PM ET
OK! Just provide them for a price. Provide doesn't mean for FREE. :-)**
-- laphroaig
Mar 26, 2024 at 12:24 PM ET
laphroaig
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03/26/24 12:24 PM ET
I'm not sure, I'll have to review it again.**
-- saret
Mar 26, 2024 at 12:37 PM ET
saret
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03/26/24 12:37 PM ET
I agree, it is a mish-mosh of sports P5 schiools charge admission. That's
-- saret
Mar 25, 2024 at 04:04 PM ET
saret
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03/25/24 04:04 PM ET
Is there a COL to counter an LOL? Cry Out Loud.**
-- laphroaig
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:59 AM ET
laphroaig
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03/25/24 11:59 AM ET