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JM397 OP
Jun 09, 2026 at 04:59 PM ET
Latest Kyle Sauders Substack says "And a third group of athletic directors
has decided the answer is to blow up the NCAA and govern by conference, with Georgia’s president and Nebraska’s AD both saying Monday’s ruling proves the breakaway is the only path left." ** Edited by JM397 at 6/9/2026, 5:41:36 PM

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HokieAl HokieAl
1mo
They keep talking about breakaway for self regulation. What is that really?
I’m too busy to google right now (but not too busy to post haha). Has anyone put out a proposal of what conference self governance and compliance would look like? Would it be for all sports? Would it impact the ncaa basketball tourney contract? I’m very curious what this breakaway would look like. If it is really the only path, as they are claiming, then I would expect they have a clear map of that path. Has anyone here seen anything good to explain it that they can share?
VTHokie2000 VTHokie2000
1mo
My guess is the new organization would essentially be structured the same
way the NCAA is now and operate the same the NCAA is now. Just under a new name and new brand like the schools who are currently members of the NAIA. FWIW the NAIA and NCAA are mirror images of each in terms of structure, organization, and operation. I have not found a sound explanation to explain why the new association would somehow be "different" from either of them. That isn't to say the new organization should be "different' from the NCAA. I am not sure the schools have a clear list of changes that would create that distinction vs. no reason to reinvent the wheel.
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The_VT_Rock
1mo
The only difference is the new organization would drop the non-profit?
VTHokie2000 VTHokie2000
1mo
Maybe, maybe not. It is worth noting that the NFL up until 2015 was an
unincorporated nonprofit 501(c)(6) association. Now the NFL considers itself a "trade association." I suspect if you look at the other major pro leagues in the US, then you are likely to find they are structured in such a way that doesn't include "for profit" in the organization structure. Why assume the new association would want to reinvent the wheel here?
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Big12 guy
1mo
really, do they not think they will be
taken to court by the players if they set their own rules? The only way that works is if they become a for profit entity, pay taxes, and have collective bargaining. Not a chance they do that IMO.
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33laszlo99
1mo
They won't "become" a for-profit entity. They will establish for-profit
entities from scratch. They will be multi-functional and definitely profitable.
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Big12 guy
1mo
Very well could be. it's the only
way there will be a break off from the NCAA - or the NCAA dissolves. Either way, it will not be college athletics as we have known it. It will be a pro league.
RTFC RTFC
1mo
Known it? since when? It's already a pro league and why my interest waned
I still want VT to do well, I attend games - as much for tailgates as the game - and I'm excited about the new stuff going on, but I don't follow it in excruciating detail - recruiting is just first offers on the table. My "support" for college football isn't binary. I'm not "shaking my fist and turning it off"...I still watch, but on my terms, I don't plan my weekends around it or scour the interweb to find the latest morsel...I'm fine with players getting NIL, but don't ask me to donate so 18-20 year olds can make 6/7 figures playing a game (yeah I know the time investment is more of a job - but it is still a game)
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33laszlo99
1mo
Very common reaction. So many people think it must be "college sports" or
it's NFL. It will still be college (amateur) sports, but with "adult supervision." The adjacent business entities will solve most of the headaches we are experiencing now. The schools, themselves, can stop offering NIL and stop worrying about athletes as employees. Schools will become more generous with the stipends (offered to all scholarship athletes) that are currently restricted by the NCAA. NIL and bargained-for wages will be managed by the commercial entity. Contracts will be the rule. Expect very strict and very specific conference bylaws to slow down the bad behavior of some schools. Academic and ethical requirements will not be diminished.
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Baltimore_Hokie
1mo
The focus should be on holding institutions culpable, not the individual-
players. That's the only way any enforcement mechanism will have any teeth. Players who break the rules can sue whoever they want all they want to get their NIL money and retain their eligibility, but they cannot make schools put them on their rosters and play them, and if schools want to field players that violate the rules, they should suffer severe financial and competitive penalties that make it impossible to compete for a conference or national championship. Texas Tech wants to play Sorsby? OK, great. They can. But, per Big 12 competitive integrity and compliance rules, they forfeit every conference game they play, with no team stats and the final score of which will go in the books as a 7-0 win for their opponent, and are ineligible for the Big 12 championship game. If there are going to be rules, it's the only way to keep everyone in line. We're in the wild west now. The old BS of saying, "why should a bunch of innocent guys suffer because one guy did x, y, and z" are over. The "innocent guys" can transfer and play elsewhere without penalty if they want to. If we want rules, that's the cost.
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33laszlo99
1mo
Exactly why the B1G/SEC want to abandon the NCAA; to get specific rules
with predetermined penalties. For example: a quarterback who bets on games would be subject to an immediate lifetime expulsion, financial penalties, and will have signed a contract agreeing to same. Similar rules/penalties will exist for individual teams in a way that does not damage other conference members. The Wild Wild West can be tamed. Yes, lawsuits will persist. Fine. Add rules, amend rules until, over time, the operation is all buttoned up. If a tainted player can sign on with a different conference, good for him; shame on them.
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Big12 guy
1mo
The inmates can not be allowed to rule the asylum. While
I agree with both you and Baltimore, the BIG and the SEC are not the ones to now all of a sudden honor tradition, "save" college football, and be the ones to set the rules. While I guess that it is the victors that write the history books, this mess isn't over yet - by a long shot. You guys want to take TT down? OK, I might even join the lynching mob on that one, but that is by no means law and order. Players being paid - across the board in all sports, even the non revs is way OK with me. finding that formula is beyond my paygrade though. NIL however, as it stands today, needs to be as illegal as gambling on your team. No one stood up and demanded that Michigan (just an example) lured a quarterback from another school with a $12M NIL deal. One player receiving almost half of the budget of many MAC schools. Tennessee, the school, sued the NCAA for the ability to pay their players NIL money - and won. I'm first in line for enforceable rules, but when everyone is up in arms because of the "integrity" of the game, lets call a spade a spade. The "P2" imploded the PAC, almost imploded the B12, and they now have eyes on the ACC. All of that history and all of those traditions were cast aside for - money. Is the Sorsby situation much different? "Integrity" of the game, C'mon man. If this is indeed the line to "fix" college football (athletics), count me in, but please, don't virtue signal that this mess is all on Sorsby, TT, or the judge. It is a symptom of the disease that the BIG, SEC, and networks created.
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33laszlo99
1mo
P2 do not claim to be saving college fb. They are working to preserve the
position they have achieved. P4, G6 and any others can come along for the ride. I beliebe the P2 understand the value of having a larger universe of competitors. But they are at the top and they want to stay there. Selfish? Yes. Surprising? No. They will not allow others (Campbell/Cruz) to intervene. NIL was an earthquake. Sadly, college FB as a whole, did not adequately prepare themselves to deal with this. Saying that players can earn money for NIL does not mean the school must make them employees. Nor does it mean that schools should be permitted to simply bribe high schoolers to commit. A structure (CSC) was formed to regulate NIL to the extent that money being paid was in fact in exchange for a valid NIL purpose, and not just a bribe. Who knows if it is having any effect? The NCAA couldn't do it, of course. I think the CSC will fail, as well. But there will be a solution because the P2 need to get it fixed; they will. As for TT, although the "court" ordered them to restore Sorsby to the team, his status should be non-specified health leave. If he is allowed to rejoin the team, even as a bench player, the TT athletic program will cease to exist (after the legal smoke settles.) Has anyone asked his teammates how they view him? Unity could be fragile.