Is the new mess (NCAA Settlement) just the old mess in a new package?đ
Oh yeah, how long will the new mess last?
** Edited by Stech at 6/12/2025, 7:02:33 AM
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Hard to summarize.
SHe lays it out in the 3 main components, and how it is organized, how the NIL-GO (delotte) will be managed, the relationship of NIL to the universities sharing rights (20 million).
She has extensive experience in this area, with Experience at LSU, and other major national consulting firms to Power 4 schools. (she takes the emotion out of this, and just talks the 'business')
Her biggest quote, is the business is changing, in the second largest sports league in the nation (other than NFL), with the most consistent fan base. The issue is culture, of these university's athletic departments managed like its still the 1960's as an intermural student sports office extension to the university. THey need to radically change how they run the business.
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mjfhokie
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Lawsuits galore are going to happen with likely conflicts between how different states rule. Title IX regulations are the start of lawsuits - What about states with new NIL laws, challenges to "unapproved" NIL deals, restrictions of transfers, and players not renewing, etc.?
Also how was it decided that the ex-players that are receiving House lawsuit funding only date back to 2016? I am sure as you go back in time the players had less and less compensation. Where would it end?
More & more ways to not track or to afford big NIL deals will also occur if/when true NIL is limited to less than $100K or less by the $600 review committee. Crypto, bag men, sports gambling, even old fashioned money laundering? What happens when a player does not report his NIL deal and is caught?; answer is another lawsuit.
It also occurs to me that one of the true impact areas where an athlete could actually claim real value in NIL (instead of a fake pay to play) would be in supporting or being a spokesperson for sports gambling. College athletes could very well be effective at persuading other college students or alumni to try gambling - while still claiming they are clean. There truly could be a case provide a high value for these services. Of course, does payment of NIL in "bonus bets" really count?
Of course the biggest coin to drop could be when the IRS gets involved. Income taxes on players, SS taxes for employee and employer, and loss of any tax breaks for supporting your University's athletic department.
Finally a question - has there been any discussion of whether a true NIL or even the University paid income can mandate players not to boycott bowls or hold them to standards for grades or behavior clauses?
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Settlement.
Gonna be way too small deals getting hung up.
Lineman Jimbo Beefcake gets a free meal every week at the local BBQ joint every week of the school year. $25 per meal x 25 weeks= $625. Review is required. Pointless. Don't tell me that since Jimbo gets a distribution payment that he doesn't need the free meal.
Tell a 300 lb 20 yo that he can't have free food.
Review threshold shouldn't be less than 10k. Likely closer $25k. If Shelor wants to comp a 1 year pickup truck lease to Jimbo, let them do it. Why review?
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Anyone getting $600 and above from a company has to have a 1099 issued.
If Sal's Pizza gives each player $599 per year, no 1099 required, the second someone gets $600 a year, a 1099 must be issued.
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daveinop
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routine deals, for meals, cars, local ads, etc. They aren't known for NCAA-like hand-wringing.
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I don't have a problem with the $600 limit. Abusing nil should be a headache. True nil deals should not be difficult to get cleared. I don't see a problem with somebody getting $625 worth of free meals throughout a year having to take a little time to get that cleared. Especially if that helps avoid the craziness we've seen in nil. If you set the limit at $10,000, it would not be that difficult to string together A bunch of different $9,000 deals that abuse the system.
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EDGEMAN
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They just jumped straight to P4P.
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but if it is say a $25K limit and say Jimbo Beefcake is an average lineman and for example purposes is getting ~$250K a year (this may or may not be accurate, but numbers still follow)
One of the NIL collectives can pretty easily come up with 8-10 different $24.9K "NIL deals" that are really pay to play. None of these would be reviewed.
Harder to make up over 400 similar $600 deals for same level of compensation.
I think it is too low a threshold as well, but can somewhat follow the reasoning.
Likely to be a loophole or two in whatever they come up with.
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It doesn't break my heart if athletes don't bleed orange and maroon the way I do. 90% of general population students don't either.
College football has to stop tying itself in knots trying to appease head coaches and message board geniuses.
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If there is a consumer market willing to donate to pay college athletes 6/7 figures - go for it - just don't ask me with some quizzical look why I'm not as interested in college sports as I used to be.
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And that free meal and advertising for the hypothetical restaurant is exactly what NIL should be. Not the pay for play crap we are seeing.
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EDGEMAN
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Wouldn't be surprised if the IRS is the one pushing this...lol
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EDGEMAN
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If you are a non-revenue athlete, and your program is sucking money out of the revenue sports, you're due nothing but a scholarship, and your sport could disappear any given year. Your pay should be sorely based on how generous the university feels.
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daveinop
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and those numbers aren't that difficult to figure out. As long as they stick to market values, it will be much easier to defend when challenged.
The big problem comes when the school pays substantial $ on highly rated high schoolers in revenue sports who then don't see the field/court. The NIL value of those bench warmers is zip. The star pitcher on the softball team on the other hand...
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legally be able to take that approach. If these athletes are going to be classified as "employees," even under the umbrella of a work-study program, and these schools receive public funding, then these jobs probably need to be treated the same way the schools treat any other student employment jobs.
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EDGEMAN
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...compensation, or are we required to fund their scholarship and continue to pay them for four years?
What type of "employees" are they? Regular employees, or some type of restricted or limited employees? If they are employees, do they have to attend class?
Many questions yet to be answered...
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since the "move" happened first. Questions will also need to be answer for what that means for the people who experiences the "transitional period." It would not surprise me if the new transitional period lasts for 5 years or so while they work out the details. The devil is in the details is probably especially true for this situation.
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As far as I'm concerned, everyone who continues to fund this fiasco from this point forward is a nut.
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