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On Notre Dame π.
A few random thoughts on Notre Dame:
1) Swarbrick can put his money where his mouth is and save the Cardinal and Cal Bears right now. Just join the ACC. In fact, they could probably save them just by giving the ACC a 6th game, but I digress.
2) You guys know, especially the ND posters on here, that I am not one to push for the Irish to give up its independence. I have pretty much been opposed to the partial membership from the start. And in a way, I think the way the situation is now, those who supported the move in the first place perhaps have buyer's remorse. So y'all know where I have stood on this.
3) Number 2 being said, I would love it for the Irish to join us right now. They can save Stanford, UC Berkeley. Perhaps Duke, Boston College, and other high-end academic private schools in the end. Heck, they can even bring in Tulane and Rice for all I care.
4) While doing this, they can prevent the P2 from further consolidating power by coming for big names FSU, Clemson, and UNC. ND would be the unquestionable leader of this conference. I'm not sure they would be as influential in the B1G or SEC.
5. While not an ND fan (truth be told, I was a Southern Cal fan as a kid until I became a Hokie), I always had a healthy respect for their school, program, and traditions. I understand their love for independence. But I never saw it as even one of the greatest traditions in the sport, or even the top tradition at Notre Dame.
6. Lastly, most people are resigned to the fact that if ND gives up independence, that they will simply join the Big Ten. I even saw the clip on Get Up this morning with Greeny interviewing Heather Dinich (both Big Ten alums *cough cough*), and they were both shilling for ND to back up their words about saving Cal and Stanford and join, not the ACC, but, wait for it....the Big Ten. Anyway, all of college football would rejoice if ND would back up their decades of resisting the Big Ten and stick it to them one final and conclusive time. If they do the opposite, it will be sad, and make the years of anti-Big Ten talk look cheap in retrospect. Anyway, c'mon Notre Dame, now is the time.
** Edited by Maroon Baboon at 8/11/2023, 3:05:35 AM
Posted: 08/10/2023 at 10:49 PM ET
Thread Replies (38)
On Notre Dame π.
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-- Maroon Baboon
Aug 10, 2023 at 10:49 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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08/10/23 10:49 PM ET
We should hold firm on slightly more than the 6th game.
-- Truthahn
Aug 11, 2023 at 11:06 AM ET
Truthahn
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08/11/23 11:06 AM ET
Agree on your first three points, especially #3
-- cburgroop
Aug 11, 2023 at 12:35 PM ET
cburgroop
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08/11/23 12:35 PM ET
Hard pass. I don't want to do anything more for ND. Done with the favors
-- hokiesrule98
Aug 11, 2023 at 11:37 AM ET
hokiesrule98
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08/11/23 11:37 AM ET
When you say "we should hold firm" on a 6th game, it that the fans
-- Big12 guy
Aug 11, 2023 at 11:13 AM ET
Big12 guy
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08/11/23 11:13 AM ET
I haven't followed the negotiations.
-- Truthahn
Aug 11, 2023 at 11:26 AM ET
Truthahn
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08/11/23 11:26 AM ET
If this is about saving the CA teams, I agree with you, the ACC
-- Big12 guy
Aug 11, 2023 at 11:47 AM ET
Big12 guy
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08/11/23 11:47 AM ET
NDβs whole play in this is self servingβ¦
-- JLM-Hokie
Aug 11, 2023 at 09:40 AM ET
JLM-Hokie
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08/11/23 09:40 AM ET
The AAC would give ND the same deal as the ACC, maybe the Big12 would too**
-- tarheelblue
Aug 11, 2023 at 10:58 AM ET
tarheelblue
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08/11/23 10:58 AM ET
In a New York minute. **
-- Big12 guy
Aug 11, 2023 at 11:48 AM ET
Big12 guy
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08/11/23 11:48 AM ET
Notre Dame is looking to keep the ACC alive after it's top football
-- wwhokie1
Aug 11, 2023 at 10:01 AM ET
wwhokie1
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08/11/23 10:01 AM ET
The end game for ND is to be in the group we now call
-- VTCALS72
Aug 11, 2023 at 09:38 AM ET
VTCALS72
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08/11/23 09:38 AM ET
I don't understand this with ND and Expansion voteThe
-- Mercury
Aug 11, 2023 at 09:14 AM ET
Mercury
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08/11/23 09:14 AM ET
I donβt know why Notre Dame has any interest in saving Cal or Stanford.
-- HolidayInnHokie
Aug 10, 2023 at 11:39 PM ET
HolidayInnHokie
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08/10/23 11:39 PM ET
ND wants to save independence, not Stanford or Cal
-- TerryD
Aug 11, 2023 at 05:37 AM ET
TerryD
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08/11/23 05:37 AM ET
Well said. Notre dame is acting to protect its independence
-- Hokie1992
Aug 11, 2023 at 06:50 AM ET
Hokie1992
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08/11/23 06:50 AM ET
Thatβs fine, but it needs to be a win-win, add them, but ND needs 6th game,
-- Stech
Aug 11, 2023 at 07:18 AM ET
Stech
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08/11/23 07:18 AM ET
We are a partner that has boundaries. A 6th game would be lame
-- goldendomer
Aug 11, 2023 at 07:58 AM ET
goldendomer
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08/11/23 07:58 AM ET
The only thing that is ridiculous is this response to 1 game, especially
-- Stech
Aug 11, 2023 at 09:52 AM ET
Stech
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08/11/23 09:52 AM ET
Six games is nowhere near independent. Heck, 5 games isn't either
-- goldendomer
Aug 11, 2023 at 10:18 AM ET
goldendomer
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08/11/23 10:18 AM ET
What if it stayed 5 ACC games, but Cal & Stan don't count towards the 5?**
-- SpeakToDamien
Aug 11, 2023 at 10:55 AM ET
SpeakToDamien
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08/11/23 10:55 AM ET
If we do not HAVE to play them it is fine
-- goldendomer
Aug 11, 2023 at 11:18 AM ET
goldendomer
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08/11/23 11:18 AM ET
You'd still be indy where it counts. Keeping all the NBC money to yourself.**
-- tarheelblue
Aug 11, 2023 at 10:49 AM ET
tarheelblue
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08/11/23 10:49 AM ET
You are already semi independent in football, this is one game and USC has
-- Stech
Aug 11, 2023 at 10:33 AM ET
Stech
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08/11/23 10:33 AM ET
There is not a football school in the nation that would walk away from
-- Big12 guy
Aug 11, 2023 at 10:37 AM ET
Big12 guy
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08/11/23 10:37 AM ET
They can get games, but to get the big money they need matchups, it's
-- Stech
Aug 11, 2023 at 10:53 AM ET
Stech
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08/11/23 10:53 AM ET
Independence is the kiss of death for all but a few.
-- Big12 guy
Aug 11, 2023 at 10:58 AM ET
Big12 guy
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08/11/23 10:58 AM ET
They will want to play them, but I think you are underestimating how much
-- Stech
Aug 11, 2023 at 11:15 AM ET
Stech
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08/11/23 11:15 AM ET
I think what is missing is that ND needed a home for their basketball and
-- Big12 guy
Aug 11, 2023 at 08:13 AM ET
Big12 guy
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08/11/23 08:13 AM ET
For that amount of difference, I think they want someone who they are
-- 132863Hokie
Aug 11, 2023 at 08:44 AM ET
132863Hokie
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08/11/23 08:44 AM ET
It takes as many votes to expel teams as it does to add them.
-- tarheelblue
Aug 11, 2023 at 01:00 AM ET
tarheelblue
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08/11/23 01:00 AM ET
Even if ND joined for football, I doubt it would save the ACC in the end.
-- tarheelblue
Aug 10, 2023 at 11:12 PM ET
tarheelblue
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08/10/23 11:12 PM ET
Thatβs right ND π would not be that much of an increase, especially playin
-- Stech
Aug 11, 2023 at 07:06 AM ET
Stech
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08/11/23 07:06 AM ET
Agree - the future of the ACC won't (and frankly shouldn't) be determined
-- VPI_1998
Aug 11, 2023 at 04:39 AM ET
VPI_1998
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08/11/23 04:39 AM ET
It would be close enough**
-- SpeakToDamien
Aug 11, 2023 at 03:36 AM ET
SpeakToDamien
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08/11/23 03:36 AM ET
ND in the ACC would easily be close enough to the B10.
-- Truthahn
Aug 11, 2023 at 11:23 AM ET
Truthahn
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08/11/23 11:23 AM ET