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I'm saying, were the decision entirely up to me, and I was making the-

decision that I thought would bode best for the long-term future of the ACC, that I would not have added Cal, Stanford, and SMU to the ACC. And, I have been very, very clear about why. The problem facing the ACC was that there were not enough good football brands in the ACC, making it very difficult to drive interest and viewership. The money problems are just a symptom of that problem. Instead of trying to fix the football issue, they just added three more schools without good football brands, making it ultimately even more difficult to drive interest and viewership. - The football programs at those three schools do not drive interest or viewership for the ACC. To wit: - At the time of the additions, Cal football had been a non-entity for 20 years, and Stanford football for over a decade; both of those football programs, which are niche products on their best day, had been allowed to deteriorate to the point they honestly should have just been shuttered when the PAC-12 imploded. And, both schools are not just in California, but right next to each other in NORTHERN California. From a "let's improve ACC football" standpoint, it made zero sense to add either of those schools. - SMU, a relatively tiny, private institution, that caters to people with too much money that need a country club school where they can send their fail-children, had been a G5 football program for almost 40 years, with an ingrained history and culture of cheating, the 6th or 7th FBS draw in their own state of TEXAS, had been passed over by literally everyone else since the 1980's. SMU, in particular, made less than zero sense to add if you're trying to solve the "we don't have enough people that care about ACC football" problem. - The "free money" that you and others on here like to parrot about did not solve the immediate outstanding problems for the ACC, and it's not even "free money." Just like everything else in life, there's no such thing as a free lunch. The ACC, meaning whoever is left in it when the time comes, is ultimately going to pay for that free lunch on the back end. Instead of trying to fix the "ACC football sucks and nobody cares about it" problem, Jim Phillips and the freeloader schools chose to focus on the "how do we dilute the influence of the ACC's best football brands because we're mad at them" problem. And then they still had to capitulate to Clemson and FSU anyway. It was not a life or death decision to add those schools. Steps could have been taken with the membership as it existed to address the problems. I mean, look, we ended up with unequal revenue sharing anyway. That could have happened without having to fly handball teams to the bay area, or stooping to allowing a school like SMU in the conference. But, no, everyone was mad at FSU and Clemson, so they had to find a way to make sure their voices mattered less in conference governance. It was a stupid, panic decision, and it's going to look more and more stupid as time marches on. So, there, you don't have to put words in my mouth. Keep saying I don't explain myself, or that I have no real position. And, I've already written all this about a hundred times on here. You just don't want to hear it, because, for some reason, you're clearly in love with the idea of the ACC, and feel this unquenchable urge to take up for Jim Phillips and the freeloader schools. I'm a VT fan, not an ACC fan. Beyond how things directly affect VT, I don't care about the ACC, or the rest of the schools in the ACC. To me, the ACC is nothing but a means to an end for VT, and, from where I'm sitting and the things I've seen and continue to see, unless VT is smart, it's going to be THE end.
Posted: 04/28/2025 at 03:37 PM ET
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Stech 04/27/25 09:44 AM ET
The wildcard in all the $ insanity is….
MrBayAreaHokie 04/29/25 08:02 AM ET
more from Zuck on X**
MrBayAreaHokie 04/29/25 05:17 PM ET
My wife and I are already having this debate for our kids
HokieAl 04/29/25 09:35 AM ET
Not a kid, but I talked with a former Navy aircraft electrician (AE) who...
EDGEMAN 04/30/25 04:55 PM ET
Same here
I85Hokie 04/30/25 02:05 PM ET
I'm right there with you.
MP4VT2004 04/29/25 01:31 PM ET
Getting an associate's degree from a Virginia CC is an inexpensive way...
EDGEMAN 04/29/25 01:40 PM ET
It won't be long before CC costs start going up dramatically. Just read an
HokieToph 04/30/25 10:33 AM ET
Make everyone enroll in person!
EDGEMAN 04/30/25 01:14 PM ET
Successful people do what they love doing! Engineers that hate engineering
Stech 04/29/25 11:12 AM ET
One of my HS and VT friends was studying Chemical Engineering, and...
EDGEMAN 04/29/25 12:35 PM ET
Please tell he actually
mancunian 04/30/25 09:05 AM ET
Don't know if he said it out loud, or wrote it on his test paper he...
EDGEMAN 04/30/25 09:07 AM ET
Yep I had my kids do a book called Be What You Are in Middle School. GPA⬆️
Stech 04/29/25 12:57 PM ET
Let that be their motivation to shut up the doubters!
EDGEMAN 04/29/25 01:22 PM ET
the truth is though....
MrBayAreaHokie 04/29/25 11:30 AM ET
Big organizations are often built on Followship not Leadership, I have
Stech 04/29/25 12:38 PM ET
Had a friend who was studying "Building Construction" at VT back...
EDGEMAN 04/29/25 12:42 PM ET
I'm a VT BC grad. Really enjoyed the program.**
MP4VT2004 04/29/25 01:34 PM ET
I thought that degree was brilliant! Way to go VT!**
EDGEMAN 04/29/25 01:36 PM ET
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Stech 04/29/25 01:05 PM ET
If VT has "studies" majors, they can create something useful like...
EDGEMAN 04/29/25 01:26 PM ET
I love what your relative did, changed his life and his students, don’t be
Stech 04/29/25 01:39 PM ET
Exactly!**
EDGEMAN 04/29/25 01:42 PM ET
The numbers are way up @ some schools (Virginia Tech) & way down for others
Stech 04/29/25 08:18 AM ET
LOL I thought this post was about UNC spending 10’s of millions on 🏈, but
Stech 04/28/25 09:33 PM ET
Sue Estroff must be really clutching her pearls right now.**
MP4VT2004 04/28/25 01:24 PM ET
This is the interesting thing, the tale is wagging the dog, Academics dwarf
Stech 04/28/25 02:16 PM ET
Interesting that they see UNC as different from SEC type schools
Sunsetunderground 04/28/25 12:52 PM ET
Don't underestimate the concern over potential lost research & overhead $$
marcbvtgm 04/28/25 09:45 AM ET
I would hope so**
VT ChemE 1986 04/28/25 01:07 PM ET
Does a school that transfers academic funds to athletics sound like...
EDGEMAN 04/28/25 07:07 AM ET
As I have said in previous posts, UNC has made a high risk gamble
tarheelblue 04/27/25 03:44 PM ET
I take the part back that UNC can’t lose with Belichick after reading this.
Stech 05/01/25 09:01 AM ET
It's definitely a bad look, but I don't see how they can fire him.
tarheelblue 05/02/25 01:40 AM ET
Agreed, it’s hard to believe they will do it, but at a minimum this will be
Stech 05/02/25 09:14 PM ET
Hopefully it at least increases the ratings for UNC football games.**
tarheelblue 05/02/25 09:56 PM ET
Probably will, still don’t understand how🐭🦊 don’t get in state rivalry
Stech 05/03/25 09:27 AM ET
So much is at stake right now, not just P2 expansion, but unequal sharing &
Stech 04/30/25 03:33 PM ET
Institutional investment in the publics will separate the
Big12 guy 04/27/25 10:36 AM ET
NASCAR due to ESPN emphasizing well known teams stacked the sponsorship 🃏
Stech 04/27/25 11:38 AM ET
I was referring to the establishment, the State, and the other
Big12 guy 04/27/25 11:55 AM ET
I watched the Virginia Tech applications blow up in the 90’s w/ BCS Bowls,
Stech 04/27/25 01:35 PM ET
Do you know what else happened in the 90's? Growth of the internet
HokieAl 04/28/25 09:57 AM ET
It was more than football success, I’m tired of saying that, but there is a
Stech 04/28/25 11:52 AM ET
Weren't we independent in football before Big East?
HokieAl 04/28/25 01:05 PM ET
We became an independent after the Southern Conference...
EDGEMAN 04/29/25 12:38 PM ET
Dr. Torgersen was president until 2000
Pylons 04/28/25 01:21 PM ET
Application growth isn't a football thing
Pylons 04/27/25 04:16 PM ET
This has been found to be true in recent data collection:
VTFan29 04/28/25 12:31 PM ET
We got n the Big East 🏈 n th early nineties, we started going to Bowls too
Stech 04/28/25 07:32 AM ET
Explain the "correlation" in the last decade
Pylons 04/28/25 08:52 AM ET
Your whole post wreaks of arrogance as usual, the only thing laughable is
Stech 04/28/25 11:44 AM ET
I know it's opinion and not fact, I'm just confident in it
Pylons 04/28/25 12:14 PM ET
Haha, no, it's none of that,
Big12 guy 04/28/25 02:05 PM ET
Glad you said it's an opinion, your laughable comment was insulting and
Stech 04/28/25 02:04 PM ET
I have no experience marketing,
Pylons 04/28/25 09:50 PM ET
What I also find interesting is that it's occurring as the number of HS
anotherdamnyankeehokie 04/27/25 10:05 PM ET
Cincinnati Languished in the 30,000 some odd enrollment
Big12 guy 04/27/25 05:48 PM ET
Cincy has almost 10k online students counted in that enrollment
Pylons 04/27/25 07:18 PM ET
I pulled Cincy as an example, with about
Big12 guy 04/27/25 10:10 PM ET
I'm not saying online students count less,
Pylons 04/27/25 10:36 PM ET
For the health of their athletics?????? Since the beginning
Big12 guy 04/28/25 06:13 AM ET
"health" isn't just financial
Pylons 04/28/25 09:28 AM ET
"Primarily for academic reasons"? no, I
Big12 guy 04/28/25 09:36 AM ET
What is the source of the money that's going down the drain?
Pylons 04/28/25 09:47 AM ET
OK, I'll respect your opinion, but
Big12 guy 04/28/25 09:58 AM ET
What academic reputation does SMU have?
Brother Griswold 04/27/25 06:44 PM ET
Give or take SMU's academic reputation is basically the same as VT's
marcbvtgm 04/28/25 09:47 AM ET
Virginia Tech's USNW ranked 51 & SMU 91, now if you want to talk oil money,
Stech 04/28/25 02:21 PM ET
This isn’t a Rivalry Board, trash talking schools isn’t tolerated here, it
Stech 04/28/25 08:28 AM ET
SMU is ranked only above Louisville, but
mrcaniac 04/27/25 07:30 PM ET
Clemson before or after they started "gaming" the rating system?
EDGEMAN 04/28/25 04:16 AM ET
Ouch. That wasn't the point I was trying to make, but
Big12 guy 04/27/25 06:51 PM ET
Sorry - I just think taking SMU into the ACC was a really poor
Brother Griswold 04/27/25 07:17 PM ET
Yeah, really poor...
SMU Pony 04/27/25 08:30 PM ET
Harsh but fair**
mancunian 04/28/25 10:08 AM ET
Look - I just don’t care about playing SMU, Cal, or Stanford
Brother Griswold 04/27/25 08:37 PM ET
There it is.......
2hhoop3 04/27/25 09:53 PM ET
There’s a difference between dislike and disinterest
Tailgate Guru 04/28/25 01:41 AM ET
THANK YOU.
Baltimore_Hokie 04/28/25 12:29 PM ET
I get it and I do not.....
2hhoop3 04/28/25 08:51 AM ET
Ah, I see we're still perpetuating the line of BS-
Baltimore_Hokie 04/28/25 12:26 PM ET
I see that as....
2hhoop3 04/28/25 12:31 PM ET
Thank you - you said it better than me**
Brother Griswold 04/28/25 06:54 AM ET
After going through year one with these three schools
Brother Griswold 04/27/25 10:18 PM ET
All I ask is that you start taking revenue sports seriously, like we are.**
SMU Pony 04/27/25 08:40 PM ET
We won a national title in basketball in 2019, made the NCAA tourney 9 out
Brother Griswold 04/27/25 08:50 PM ET
You're talking about the Hoos. This a Hokie Board.
HOO86 04/27/25 11:47 PM ET
I don't even see any posts from you on The Sabre. Where are you from?
HOO86 04/28/25 12:09 AM ET
I’ve been posting on thesabre since the website was virginiafootball.com
Brother Griswold 04/28/25 07:02 AM ET
Then I ask once more. What was/is your better plan for saving the ACC?**
Atlee Hokie 04/28/25 09:12 AM ET
That is a great question and one that is hard to answer
Brother Griswold 04/28/25 10:54 AM ET
What would you have done.......
2hhoop3 04/27/25 08:12 PM ET
Those three schools are nothing more than mouths to feed
Brother Griswold 04/27/25 08:47 PM ET
They were added because Notre Dame pushed for them & Jim “Dame” Phillips
Stech 04/28/25 03:27 PM ET
Where is FSU gone to?**
MrFantastic! 04/29/25 06:36 AM ET
IMHO probably the B1G, but unequal sharing will likely prolong it until the
Stech 04/29/25 07:01 AM ET
my guess
MrFantastic! 04/29/25 07:42 AM ET
Maybe, a P1 when one of the P2 Commissioners retires is possible too.
Stech 04/29/25 08:02 AM ET
Listen. When the current expires, the ACC is going to implode anyway.
Atlee Hokie 04/28/25 12:44 AM ET
You lost the battle....
2hhoop3 04/27/25 09:51 PM ET
He said revenue sports. Everyone knows football is king
Brother Griswold 04/27/25 10:21 PM ET
You should quit.....
2hhoop3 04/27/25 10:37 PM ET
OK omnipotent one - explain to me how adding these three schools
Brother Griswold 04/28/25 11:30 AM ET
Just stop, man. He will do this all day. He will reply 100 times.
Baltimore_Hokie 04/28/25 12:34 PM ET
Agreed - I follow all of this stuff very closely (why I enjoy this board)
Brother Griswold 04/28/25 01:04 PM ET
I have already explained......
2hhoop3 04/28/25 11:51 AM ET
I'm confused?
Brother Griswold 04/28/25 12:52 PM ET
Can you point.......
2hhoop3 04/28/25 12:59 PM ET
There was no immediate implosion forthcoming. That is where you are wrong.
Brother Griswold 04/28/25 01:01 PM ET
Again......
2hhoop3 04/28/25 01:15 PM ET
I have answered several times. You continue to state that adding those
Brother Griswold 04/28/25 02:05 PM ET
So your answer........
2hhoop3 04/28/25 02:20 PM ET
The settlement would have come with our without the additional revenue from
Brother Griswold 04/28/25 02:42 PM ET
We disagree.....
2hhoop3 04/28/25 02:57 PM ET
This is so dumb. Please stop perpetuating this completely wrong line.
Baltimore_Hokie 04/28/25 12:46 PM ET
Thank you
Brother Griswold 04/28/25 01:00 PM ET
What's dumb...
2hhoop3 04/28/25 12:52 PM ET
I've said many times on here that the correct move-
Baltimore_Hokie 04/28/25 02:50 PM ET
So you're saying......
2hhoop3 04/28/25 03:05 PM ET
I'm saying, were the decision entirely up to me, and I was making the-
Baltimore_Hokie 04/28/25 03:37 PM ET
I don't recall you........
2hhoop3 04/28/25 05:31 PM ET
It wasn't vague. It means exactly what it said:
Baltimore_Hokie 04/29/25 09:34 AM ET
Thanks for the reply......
2hhoop3 04/29/25 09:49 AM ET
I stand with Baltimore Hokie on this one - the correct answer was to do
Brother Griswold 04/28/25 03:10 PM ET
Of course.....
2hhoop3 04/28/25 03:16 PM ET
LOL, rent free. I think the number of likes on my posts, and the fact-
Baltimore_Hokie 04/28/25 03:44 PM ET