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Actually, my initial comment was in response to the following post:

"Conferences are voluntary just as the conference can voluntarily choose the benefits its MEMBERS receive. Unfortunately, weaker sisters like the BE and ACC have chosen to make their conferences an Ala carte version as opposed to full service." This post is not just talking about Notre Dame's unique relationship with the ACC. Certainly, that relationship is alluded to, though not specifically mentioned. And it is not restricted to the ACC, but also discusses the BE. And, as I stated previsously, the "a la carte" comment brings in a discussion of more sports than just football, as it suggests selecting individually from a larger menu. My point is simply that this is not just a BE and ACC approach, but that it has been common with conferences and that the ACC/ND deal is just a specific application of what conferences regularly consider as an option. Perhaps, other specific instances occur for other reasons, such as a conference not offering a sport that is particiapted in by one of its teams. But that is still a valid example of conferences allowing "a la carte" participation. There is just a variety of reasons that can bring about the 'a la carte" approach. I am simply pointing out that it is not a new idea, nor is it an uncommon decision. Perhaps it is not as commonly applied in the specific situation of ND. Nevertheless, when that approach is found useful by a conference for any number of reasons, they will apply that "a la carte" approach. And that goes for P2 schools as well as G5 schools. In conclusion, people should not be shocked when the ACC used that approach witih ND, at a point that the ACC thought it would be beneficial for the conference. People can argue whether it was beneficial or not. But to try to argue that the ACC did something "wierd" in their approach seems illogical under the circumstances. The ACC simply used a common tool to try to accomplish their goal. People can argue over what that goal was, or whether it was an appropriate goal, or whether it was the correct tool. But it is clearly a tool that conferences consider to be available to them for whenever they need it. Most every conference either uses this tool, or has schools that make use of it. Always use the right tool for the job and just as many other conferences have done, the ACC used that tool when they felt it was the right tool.
Posted: 03/15/2025 at 11:59 AM ET
(In response to this post by VTHokie2000)

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If Clemson and fsu get P2 (or better) money in the ACC, VT could be in
VT757to276 03/13/25 08:20 AM ET
Nobody knows, things constantly changing, 🔮 more future changes, brilliant
Stech 03/15/25 08:26 PM ET
Tech is not going anywhere!!
RiverVT 03/14/25 06:04 PM ET
Zero leadership
OGHookie 03/17/25 08:50 PM ET
-12,859**
ancient alien 2018 03/17/25 10:48 AM ET
Honestly, I think that has been their plan all along.
VT ChemE 1986 03/15/25 10:53 AM ET
What if complete honestly says, "This is big media's setup for CFB and we
VTCALS72 03/17/25 12:56 PM ET
100% Agree. VT will get what it richly deserves, G5 status. I’m sure
Poultrygeist 03/15/25 09:21 AM ET
Hope he doesn’t pay those *******s!**
VPI 1924 03/15/25 12:38 PM ET
What happens to Clemson, F$U & Miami's "ND game advantage" if ND heads...
EDGEMAN 03/13/25 08:34 AM ET
Why do people think that ND wants to be in the Big10?
mrcaniac 03/13/25 01:05 PM ET
What I suspect will be the endgame for realignment
mancunian 03/14/25 11:10 AM ET
Unless the "P2" gets an antitrust exemption from Congress
mrcaniac 03/14/25 01:50 PM ET
WRT to your statement "any team wanting to be a part of it will be able to"
VTHokie2000 03/14/25 06:06 PM ET
NCAA's record in court is poor at best
mrcaniac 03/14/25 10:53 PM ET
Liberty would have no grounds to sue the NCAA though because religious
VTHokie2000 03/14/25 11:24 PM ET
ND has worked tirelessly for at least 35 years ......
TerryD 03/13/25 01:34 PM ET
Conversely, what if they concluded they'd make => money in the ACC
VT757to276 03/13/25 09:01 AM ET
ND has strongly disliked the Big Ten for 120 years
TerryD 03/13/25 01:10 PM ET
I have very similar feelings about the ACC.**
hok1eboy 03/14/25 06:05 PM ET
Are you suggesting that if Notre Dame was forced to pick a P2 conference
VTHokie2000 03/13/25 06:39 PM ET
If they had to pick a football conference today, would it not be the ACC?
seekoHoG 03/14/25 08:05 PM ET
Not if the P2 ended up doing its own thing (think AFL-NFL type merger) and
VTHokie2000 03/14/25 08:25 PM ET
Not suggesting anything
TerryD 03/14/25 06:28 AM ET
Wonder why they went in Hockey? With the hatred**
MrFantastic! 03/14/25 10:26 AM ET
The hate is there when it suits them.**
reestuart 03/14/25 11:25 AM ET
Who cares about hockey in CR ?
TerryD 03/14/25 11:57 AM ET
For the record
TerryD 03/14/25 12:01 PM ET
Your answer was my thinking
MrFantastic! 03/15/25 09:24 AM ET
No, the Big Ten gave in
TerryD 03/15/25 06:52 PM ET
ND gave in also
MrFantastic! 03/16/25 04:53 AM ET
ND has turned down full Big Ten...
TerryD 03/15/25 07:00 PM ET
Hard core. #Respect 👊
Maroon Baboon 03/14/25 04:41 PM ET
Great insight! I always felt that there was a rub/grudge, but did not know
VT757to276 03/13/25 01:21 PM ET
They have written books about it**
TerryD 03/14/25 06:51 AM ET
ND just made title game as Indy and kept all the $$. Why would they go P2?**
drb 03/13/25 08:37 AM ET
Only if they're forced to do it...**
EDGEMAN 03/13/25 08:44 AM ET
I still don't understand why they haven't been forced
HokieNoVA 03/13/25 09:15 AM ET
You don't think that it's a weird concept...
TerryD 03/13/25 01:37 PM ET
Is it any more weird.......
2hhoop3 03/13/25 01:46 PM ET
In other words, other than football, they've had a parasitic
ancient alien 2018 03/15/25 12:55 AM ET
I would say.....
2hhoop3 03/15/25 02:05 PM ET
ND benefitted much more than ACC did.
Atlee Hokie 03/15/25 04:01 PM ET
You are correct....
2hhoop3 03/15/25 04:20 PM ET
Some have suggested no ACC Network without ND, it was long ago, so I can’t
Stech 03/16/25 12:17 PM ET
So, conferences aren't voluntary things at all ?**
TerryD 03/13/25 02:43 PM ET
That wasn't the question.......
2hhoop3 03/13/25 02:57 PM ET
It was indeed my question
TerryD 03/14/25 06:30 AM ET
Do you consider the Big East, excluding football, to be the equivalent ...
Atlee Hokie 03/15/25 05:56 PM ET
I understand what your....
2hhoop3 03/14/25 07:41 AM ET
No conferences has ever truly been full service.
wwhokie1 03/13/25 05:35 PM ET
Wichita State is not a valid comparison to Notre Dame for simple fact that
VTHokie2000 03/13/25 06:36 PM ET
You are missing my point. I am not comparing Wichita St To ND. I am
wwhokie1 03/14/25 06:16 PM ET
Even if that is the point you are trying to make, Wichita State is still
VTHokie2000 03/14/25 06:24 PM ET
Miami was in the Big East....
TerryD 03/14/25 07:39 PM ET
Yes, that is 1 example. I will say that the decision may have had to do
VTHokie2000 03/14/25 08:07 PM ET
You tell me
TerryD 03/15/25 06:32 AM ET
You make a fair point about Notre Dame's record against the ACC. However,
VTHokie2000 03/15/25 11:12 AM ET
AAC could have looked at Wichita St. and said, "you don't have football so
wwhokie1 03/14/25 06:44 PM ET
It is relevant though because you won't be able to show an example where
VTHokie2000 03/14/25 06:57 PM ET
You've strayed from the original discussion. The original discussion
wwhokie1 03/14/25 10:26 PM ET
Then we will have to agree to disagree because I believe my points are
VTHokie2000 03/14/25 10:58 PM ET
When you talk about conferences allowing a school to join sports A la cart,
wwhokie1 03/14/25 11:38 PM ET
The subthread is talking about Notre Dame's unique relationship with the
VTHokie2000 03/15/25 10:45 AM ET
Actually, my initial comment was in response to the following post:
wwhokie1 03/15/25 11:59 AM ET
The part you seem to be either missing or ignoring is the fact that the ACC
VTHokie2000 03/15/25 12:50 PM ET
The original topic for this subthread......
2hhoop3 03/14/25 10:49 PM ET
I don't know. Based on their media
Big12 guy 03/13/25 02:39 PM ET
That was the question asked.........
2hhoop3 03/13/25 03:00 PM ET
How exactly does anyone force them to forfeit their football independence?**
Pylons 03/13/25 11:38 AM ET
Schools don’t have to play them
MAGRIFF1 03/13/25 06:03 PM ET
Playoffs only include conference champions/runners up.
hokieZ71 03/13/25 01:08 PM ET
Those 3 conferences and the CFP will be writing a very large check to ND
mrcaniac 03/13/25 02:22 PM ET
Exclude them from the playoffs.**
HokieNoVA 03/13/25 12:34 PM ET
Legal? Anti-Trust violation ?
TerryD 03/13/25 01:04 PM ET
May be?
mrcaniac 03/13/25 01:14 PM ET
I was being diplomatic
TerryD 03/13/25 02:28 PM ET
It may not be a violation of antitrust laws if the P2 conferences end up
VTHokie2000 03/13/25 06:46 PM ET
There are message board speculation and legal ramifications
mrcaniac 03/13/25 02:36 PM ET
G5 schools aren't restricted from dropping down to the FCS.
hokieZ71 03/13/25 01:13 PM ET
Maybe, no idea.**
HokieNoVA 03/13/25 01:06 PM ET
The SEC nor the ACC want them to join the B1G. So they don't mind keeping
Maroon Baboon 03/13/25 09:54 AM ET
Ok, so its about keeping them out of the B10. That makes way more sense
HokieNoVA 03/13/25 10:33 AM ET