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hokieZ71
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Here’s how I could see it going. (Promise, I’m being impartial)

The B12 has to get something (short term $$) and PE firm has to get something (mid-long term ownership stake in the B12). I’ve already discussed why future B12 valuations aren’t totally measurable until there’s a new media deal, so I can definitively state a PE firm is going to get something valuable at that time. *Disclaimer: The B12 stays at 16 for this* So let’s do a hypothetical based on rumors. PE buys 20% of the B12 for $1.2B in June 2025. This would be when the B12’s next media rights deal starts and 6 years away from the expiration of the deal with ESPN/Fox. This deal is worth $2B total over a 6 year period, so giving up $1.2B for a 20% stake of a $2B valuation isn’t a great deal on paper for the PE firm. And you better believe if the B12’s present goal is getting a cash infusion to compete now with the P2, then the PE firm will be receiving very little of that $2B in annual payments. So let’s assume PE gets $0 payments in return over the next 6 years. So… I’ve been very generous to the B12 here. PE is giving them $200M annually in exchange for a 20% stake and $0 annual payments in return. How does this help the Big 12? They get $200M per year over 6 years. Split 16 ways, each school adds $12.5M annually to its revenue. That’s great. Let’s say (to make things neat) the B12 was $25M in the hole to the P2, it just closed the gap by half. Great. So, we gotta talk about what the PE firm is going to get. They aren’t giving the B12 $1.2B over 6 years just to help a friend out in need. They want a sizable return on their investment. Well, they will get a good idea of what their investment is worth when the B12 negotiates with ESPN/Fox/CBS/NBC or whoever…. This will be 6 years from last June when the Big XII signed their about-to-be current media rights deal. Now, I’m going to make this scenario as good for the B12 as I can again. Inflation is still going right now, but slowing some, and we are about to go into a likely recession in 2025 at which point inflation stops and then we likely see a period of growth beginning in 2026 on through 2029 around when the next Big 12 deal will get worked out. Kansas and Houston each win an NCAA hoops title and Oklahoma State and Kansas State each take magical runs to the semifinals of the College Football playoff all between 2025 and 2029. So, we assume the value of the B12 is much more in 2029 than it is today. This is good for the Big 12….and the PE firm that owns 20% of the Big XII. So what happens in 2029? Let’s say a deal gets worked out between ESPN, CBS and Amazon Prime for total coverage of the Big XII for 6 years from 2031-2036. Now, average payout to the Big XII increased from $18.3M per team to $31.7M per team in this most recent deal. That is a 73% increase. Let’s assume the same 73% increase in annual average payout (and yes, for more teams). So, $31.7 * 1.73 = $54.8M annual payout! ($23M more!!) Times 16 teams equals $658M. Way to go Big XII! $658M times 6 years $3.95B dollars. Let’s just round up and call it a $4B dollar deal for the Big XII! Awesome! But, $0.8B of that $4B dollars(20%) goes to PE firm. $131.6M of that annual payout goes to the PE firm. $11M of each school’s annual payment goes to the PE firm. So each school only sees $44M per year. This is $12.2M more than they were making solely from their media rights deal before, but…they also now lose out on the $12.5 cash infusion payment they were getting form the PE firm. SO…they lose money, $300K per year in fact, on out in 2031. Now…the PE firm has put in $1.2B from 2025-2030 and is now seeing the possible distribution of….$0.8B in return from 2031-2036. Not bad, but the PE firm wants to cash out. So they sell their 20% stake to a different PE firm for…$2B dollars. They make a solid return on their investment, get their cash and move on. The new PE firm now has 20% stake in a $4B valuation of the Big XII over 6 years and the prospects of getting $131.6M in annual payouts from the Big XII’s media rights deal during that time. But….they know the Big XII schools need that $131.6M annually, so…they cut a deal, the Big XII schools retain their full media rights share of $54.8M per year (yay!) in exchange for another 10% stake in the Big XII. When combined with their new CFP payout of $25.2M per team (which I haven’t even discussed that the PE firm owns 20% of….again, I’m giving the Big XII all the latitude I can with these numbers), each Big XII school will be pulling in $80M annually in exchange for PE firms now owning 30% of their league. The Big XII can’t say no, they have to remain competitive with a P2 that will now definitely be getting well over $100M total per year and lets say the total NIL distribution payroll for a schools competing in the CFP leagues now run in excess of $30M annually. (We are hearing $20M now) So, I can see the Big XII making it work for another 12 years, but that cycle is going to start to hit harder when they can’t sell much more of their rights. (I can’t see them going over 33%)
Posted: 07/09/2024 at 01:34 PM ET
(In response to this post by Big12 guy)

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Josh Pate, we never knew ya!**
ombandit 07/05/24 11:33 PM ET
It's starting this week! **
INSIDE99 07/07/24 11:12 PM ET
When it doesn't will you go away? **
ancient alien 2018 07/10/24 12:36 AM ET
Hope not!!**
VintonHokies 07/10/24 10:46 AM ET
Just quoting Pate
INSIDE99 07/10/24 12:45 AM ET
SEC Media Days July 15-18, B1G Media Days July 23 - 25
WarHog38 07/08/24 05:08 PM ET
FSU cant afford it either.**
VPI 1924 07/09/24 11:47 AM ET
Pate State much ado about nothing
INSIDE99 07/08/24 11:05 PM ET
Vague is the Word for Pate
WarHog38 07/09/24 01:34 AM ET
People are getting YouTubers dates mixed up TJ Pittinger & Pate dates not
Stech 07/09/24 08:21 AM ET
Will FSU announce they are leaving before the ACC kickoff in Charlotte?
1947Sunbowl 07/09/24 06:36 PM ET
Ask the Basement YouTubers 🤣🤣**
Stech 07/09/24 07:09 PM ET
It's a mystery. But here are two possibilities brought up last night by the
Maroon Baboon 07/08/24 06:10 PM ET
I know a lot of the talking heads thing that ESPN can and wants to
VTCALS72 07/09/24 11:08 AM ET
Why would ESPN drop the ACC contract?
Marooned 07/09/24 06:57 PM ET
Exactly, ESPN wants every thin dime they can pull in...
ombandit 07/10/24 11:43 AM ET
Doesn't to me either but lots of wishing and hoping in B12 circles
VTCALS72 07/09/24 07:26 PM ET
How Much Do You Think ESPN Will Drop the Pay-Outs Per School After FSU,
WarHog38 07/09/24 04:10 PM ET
It may not drop at all.
VTCALS72 07/09/24 05:34 PM ET
I believe you make......
2hhoop3 07/10/24 09:15 AM ET
I don’t see F$U to the SEC. They don’t add value
Marooned 07/09/24 07:00 PM ET
Their value may be in keeping the Big out of the southeast**
VTCALS72 07/09/24 10:15 PM ET
The B1X will be in the southeast if the ACC crumbles unless...
EDGEMAN 07/10/24 05:16 AM ET
Miami Hasn't Ever Been Any Good in the ACC
WarHog38 07/10/24 08:35 AM ET
Miami is the ultimate underachiever. They have done less with more...
EDGEMAN 07/10/24 08:53 AM ET
If Just FSU Leaves?
WarHog38 07/09/24 06:08 PM ET
The answer to your question is NO.
Baltimore_Hokie 07/10/24 10:44 AM ET
The answer to your saving the ACC question may reside in where
VTHokie2000 07/09/24 06:52 PM ET
That is the Big Picture
WarHog38 07/09/24 07:29 PM ET
That would make sense if you agree that the Big 12 is being used only as
VTCALS72 07/10/24 08:20 AM ET
I Think All the ACC Schools Being Required By ESPN To Pay the
WarHog38 07/10/24 08:54 AM ET
Uhhh because their (ESPN) long range plan was to produce zero content
VTCALS72 07/10/24 09:00 AM ET
That Might Explain Why Alabama & Texas Got A ESPN Pass on a Broadcasting
WarHog38 07/10/24 09:17 AM ET
ESPN is all in broadcasting the P2 and only the P2 IMHO
VTCALS72 07/10/24 12:49 PM ET
Do all the SEC.....
2hhoop3 07/10/24 09:36 AM ET
I would include the NFL accountants (including each team's accountant) in
VTHokie2000 07/09/24 07:33 PM ET
Number One Would Be Sticking a Fork in the ACC
WarHog38 07/08/24 09:03 PM ET
NM
132863Hokie 07/08/24 09:10 PM ET
What would be ESPN's ..........
2hhoop3 07/08/24 07:16 PM ET
Only those involved in the negotiations or lawsuits have enough info to
33laszlo99 07/08/24 10:59 PM ET
mmmmm...you sure?
daveinop 07/09/24 08:06 AM ET
Not sure of anything these days. I'm satisfied with your correction about
33laszlo99 07/09/24 10:06 AM ET
The reports state $1B + or -. How that money would be used,
Big12 guy 07/08/24 07:36 PM ET
How does a PE firm make money on that $1B?**
Atlee Hokie 07/08/24 08:04 PM ET
It depends on the deal. All of the pro sports leagues except the NFL
Big12 guy 07/08/24 09:23 PM ET
Like most PE. Selling off the assets **
hokeyhokie 07/08/24 08:17 PM ET
What assets can they sell?**
Atlee Hokie 07/08/24 08:31 PM ET
ACC or g5, what am I bid for Kansas? who will start the bidding art -----**
VTCALS72 07/09/24 05:40 PM ET
Whatever they own.**
hokieZ71 07/08/24 08:54 PM ET
I understand what PE outfits normally do.
Atlee Hokie 07/08/24 10:05 PM ET
I don’t know either. I’ll just wait to read the details when it happens
hokieZ71 07/08/24 10:28 PM ET
They are basically going to sell.........
2hhoop3 07/08/24 10:24 PM ET
“If” this is done, IMHO they are betting on 🏀, and keeping teams, I do
Stech 07/09/24 12:47 AM ET
PE firms.........
2hhoop3 07/09/24 10:07 AM ET
Your last sentence is why I think this is a bad idea for the B12.
hokieZ71 07/09/24 09:52 AM ET
If the B12 moves to a PE firm, it will not be because
Big12 guy 07/09/24 10:06 AM ET
That’s exactly what I said.
hokieZ71 07/09/24 10:32 AM ET
They better get a chance to be competitive for a lot longer
Big12 guy 07/09/24 11:01 AM ET
Here’s how I could see it going. (Promise, I’m being impartial)
hokieZ71 07/09/24 01:34 PM ET
You make some pretty amazing assumptions there. I won't challenge your
Big12 guy 07/09/24 03:42 PM ET
Interesting about paying for buyouts of other schools.
hokieZ71 07/09/24 04:07 PM ET
Why would CAL join the ACC? None
Big12 guy 07/09/24 04:51 PM ET
I mean, Cal is a bad example
hokieZ71 07/09/24 05:57 PM ET
That's fair, but my point was no one on this board, or anywhere in
Big12 guy 07/09/24 07:20 PM ET
Closest harbor in a hurricane**
VTCALS72 07/09/24 05:44 PM ET
I am not sure.......
2hhoop3 07/09/24 10:22 AM ET
I agree with all of that. Frankly, I'm wondering how a PE firm could
Big12 guy 07/09/24 10:27 AM ET
Thanks. Helps me a lot.**
Atlee Hokie 07/08/24 11:25 PM ET
I think ESPN will renew the ACC contract but...
Old Line Hokie 07/08/24 07:13 PM ET
B12 media days start tomorrow. If PE is announced, .......**
Big12 guy 07/08/24 06:25 PM ET
Why are you saying this?**
Stech 07/07/24 10:40 AM ET
I think it was a mistake for him getting into this craziness
1947Sunbowl 07/06/24 10:15 PM ET
He said within 9 weeks from a couple of weeks ago, why are people talking
Stech 07/07/24 09:10 PM ET
Word is he said the dam is going to begin to break on college athletics
Maroon Baboon 07/08/24 04:57 PM ET
If he keeps saying next week.......
2hhoop3 07/08/24 05:06 PM ET
Yep, the blind squirrel routine until the squirrel gets shot dead…..**
RJHokie 07/08/24 05:32 PM ET
Yep. Anyone that has been following this since ACC first expanded should
HboroughHokie 07/07/24 10:12 AM ET
Of course....
RTFC 07/08/24 07:54 PM ET
I was following as close as possible at the time. And I remember no rumor
HboroughHokie 07/08/24 09:23 PM ET
Correct**
ombandit 07/09/24 06:14 AM ET
I'm not quite following...
RTFC 07/09/24 05:28 PM ET
Just professionally, I wish he would have stayed away from that arena
1947Sunbowl 07/07/24 01:33 PM ET
He’s been getn weird recently **
VT757to276 07/06/24 04:47 PM ET
Pate May Have Just Have Cashed In On The Expansion Gravy Train
WarHog38 07/06/24 04:28 PM ET
So, what happened to Pate?
RJHokie 07/06/24 11:59 AM ET
T-shirt malfunction
2hhoop3 07/06/24 12:01 PM ET
? I must be out of the loop on this one.**
RJHokie 07/06/24 12:14 PM ET
Can anyone explain or is this just going to be vague?**
anchorsteam88 07/06/24 12:30 PM ET
I have no idea......
2hhoop3 07/06/24 01:14 PM ET
Agree.
RJHokie 07/06/24 12:44 PM ET
Just a play.......
2hhoop3 07/06/24 12:20 PM ET
So, what happened to Josh? Forget to pay his electric bill?**
Maroon Unit 07/06/24 05:02 AM ET
I guess he just didn’t know as much as he thought…**
ombandit 07/06/24 11:36 AM ET
Why are you saying this? I haven’t seen him give a date, just saying sooner
Stech 07/07/24 12:08 PM ET
Well........
2hhoop3 07/06/24 11:38 AM ET