What exactly do you think is going to happen to Kansas-
if, on any given year, they win the Big 12, then, assuming the CFP format doesn't change to all at-large seeding, have to play a SEC or B1G program in the CFP that, before you even start to tally any other revenue source up else up, makes literally twice as much money from TV revenue? You know, money? That thing you pay for recruiting with, and pay coaches, staff, and, most importantly, players with? That thing you use to build and maintain facilities? And, since we mentioned players, how do you think that Kansas team is going to do when they have to play a top-line SEC/B1G program that has a roster full of not only the very best high school recruits, which they've always had, but now also 4-5 years worth of cherry-picked players developed by Big 12, ACC, and other P2 schools, then poached from their rosters?
By acting like money doesn't matter, and you just want to "play ball," you're completely ignoring the new reality that has been created. You can frame it however you want, but, practically speaking, Big 12 and ACC programs are no longer even playing in the same division as B1G and SEC programs. Disney and FOX, in doing what they have done, and promoting things the way they have, have forced that distinction. So, no, the ACC is not a "premier" conference. It's a conference full of dead weight that Disney decided has approximately half the worth of the SEC. At least they thought that before the ACC added three more dead weight, losing football programs that nobody cares about; that bonehead move likely de-valued the conference significantly.
It would be one thing if the ACC split its media rights money commensurate with the media rights value each institution actually brings to the table, but it doesn't. FSU gets the same share as Wake Forest, all while having to sit back and watch Vanderbilt get double that. And you can sit back like a smart aleck and say, "oh, but FSU and everyone else AGREED to that," which is exactly how a 5 year old would consider the situation. That was then, this is now. What was a tenable position to take at the time has now been made completely untenable. Even if the ACC is successful in dragging the whole ordeal out another 12 years, nothing will change that, every single day, from now until the matter is resolved, the two top TV draws in the ACC are very publicly suing the conference to leave, which they will do the exact second they get the chance, which will, in turn, cause a domino effect of other programs leaving a sinking ship. And, in the interim, FSU and Clemson are not going to agree to anything that will help the ACC's position moving forward. You think that's going help or hurt things when it comes time to negotiate the next media rights contract?
Thread Replies (93)
Some banter about WSU and Oregon State we already know but worth posting**
-- Maroon Unit
Aug 12, 2024 at 07:47 PM ET
Maroon Unit
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08/12/24 07:47 PM ET
Create an ACC-PAC10 Network
-- Hardcore_Hokie
Aug 14, 2024 at 07:28 AM ET
Hardcore_Hokie
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08/14/24 07:28 AM ET
I'd rather just merge them with the ACC and dump Wake
-- Truthahn
Aug 14, 2024 at 01:31 PM ET
Truthahn
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08/14/24 01:31 PM ET
"Dumping" schools is where you guys lose me. Wake is a founding
-- Big12 guy
Aug 14, 2024 at 02:17 PM ET
Big12 guy
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08/14/24 02:17 PM ET
Yes, it sucks, but I think even the B10 will eventually do it.
-- Truthahn
Aug 16, 2024 at 12:21 PM ET
Truthahn
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08/16/24 12:21 PM ET
The top level football doesn't care about "regionality, ...
-- Atlee Hokie
Aug 15, 2024 at 05:50 PM ET
Atlee Hokie
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08/15/24 05:50 PM ET
Are you talking Texas, USC, ESPN and Fox? or are you talking
-- Big12 guy
Aug 15, 2024 at 07:23 PM ET
Big12 guy
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08/15/24 07:23 PM ET
We also traditionally played William and Mary, and VMI
-- RTFC
Aug 14, 2024 at 11:12 PM ET
RTFC
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08/14/24 11:12 PM ET
Playing Old Dominion and maybe Liberty down the road is the
-- Big12 guy
Aug 15, 2024 at 08:41 AM ET
Big12 guy
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08/15/24 08:41 AM ET
So maybe we have to drop an out of state private school to play those...
-- RTFC
Aug 15, 2024 at 10:19 AM ET
RTFC
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08/15/24 10:19 AM ET
Two OOC loses and winning the conference gets a bye. **
-- Big12 guy
Aug 15, 2024 at 12:30 PM ET
Big12 guy
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08/15/24 12:30 PM ET
I know, but winning those 2 OOC games, and losing
-- Big12 guy
Aug 15, 2024 at 12:39 PM ET
Big12 guy
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08/15/24 12:39 PM ET
A one loss loser of the conference championship gets in as well. The
-- Big12 guy
Aug 15, 2024 at 12:52 PM ET
Big12 guy
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08/15/24 12:52 PM ET
They would have to be ranked high enough. WVU plays Penn state this year,
-- Big12 guy
Aug 15, 2024 at 01:23 PM ET
Big12 guy
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08/15/24 01:23 PM ET
Maybe should, but don't trust the "selection" committee.**
-- Atlee Hokie
Aug 15, 2024 at 06:07 PM ET
Atlee Hokie
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08/15/24 06:07 PM ET
After FSU being left out, who could trust them? **
-- Big12 guy
Aug 15, 2024 at 07:22 PM ET
Big12 guy
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08/15/24 07:22 PM ET
That is probably the reality, but I'm a sicko with the in state G5 matchups**
-- Big12 guy
Aug 15, 2024 at 10:36 AM ET
Big12 guy
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08/15/24 10:36 AM ET
So finding a way to drop a WF or BC is the reality...makes sense**
-- RTFC
Aug 15, 2024 at 10:45 AM ET
RTFC
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08/15/24 10:45 AM ET
I disagree. Finding a way to blow out their football and basketball
-- Big12 guy
Aug 15, 2024 at 10:50 AM ET
Big12 guy
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08/15/24 10:50 AM ET
? You just completely contradicted your last post...
-- RTFC
Aug 15, 2024 at 11:53 AM ET
RTFC
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08/15/24 11:53 AM ET
No, they are conference members. Obviously, the G5's are OOC. **
-- Big12 guy
Aug 15, 2024 at 11:55 AM ET
Big12 guy
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08/15/24 11:55 AM ET
Wake Forest has negative value. Wake Forest IS the problem with the ACC.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Aug 14, 2024 at 03:58 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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08/14/24 03:58 PM ET
All of that may be true, but you guys are the ones that wanted to be in the
-- Big12 guy
Aug 14, 2024 at 04:41 PM ET
Big12 guy
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08/14/24 04:41 PM ET
Nobody is asking for anOSU money - just pull your weight.**
-- RTFC
Aug 15, 2024 at 10:25 AM ET
RTFC
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08/15/24 10:25 AM ET
Are their athletic budgets in line with VT? If not, you have an argument. **
-- Big12 guy
Aug 15, 2024 at 10:37 AM ET
Big12 guy
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08/15/24 10:37 AM ET
Whether the budgets are or aren't commensurate is completely irrelevant-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Aug 15, 2024 at 11:40 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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08/15/24 11:40 AM ET
Again, they are in the ACC. maybe it's not the right conference for VT?**
-- Big12 guy
Aug 15, 2024 at 11:48 AM ET
Big12 guy
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08/15/24 11:48 AM ET
If the little foo foo schools want to have a little foo foo conference,
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Aug 14, 2024 at 05:09 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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08/14/24 05:09 PM ET
Pay the exit fee then. Like FSU, no one held a gun to any of
-- Big12 guy
Aug 14, 2024 at 05:30 PM ET
Big12 guy
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08/14/24 05:30 PM ET
The MAG7 was all about dumping teams, really. Everyone here loved that.
-- Truthahn
Aug 16, 2024 at 04:28 PM ET
Truthahn
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08/16/24 04:28 PM ET
I mostly enjoy your posts, but you're exhibiting a real loser mindset.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Aug 15, 2024 at 10:10 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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08/15/24 10:10 AM ET
I lived in Boston and Charlotte. The ACC is not the problem. The private
-- Big12 guy
Aug 15, 2024 at 10:34 AM ET
Big12 guy
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08/15/24 10:34 AM ET
Mr. Custer those Indians are harmless - except for those arrows....**
-- RTFC
Aug 15, 2024 at 11:56 AM ET
RTFC
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08/15/24 11:56 AM ET
What exactly do you think is going to happen to Kansas-
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-- Baltimore_Hokie
Aug 15, 2024 at 11:05 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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08/15/24 11:05 AM ET
I don't expect KU to be competing for national championships
-- Big12 guy
Aug 15, 2024 at 11:28 AM ET
Big12 guy
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08/15/24 11:28 AM ET
Sounds like a great idea if each ACC member is
-- HouClone
Aug 14, 2024 at 01:12 PM ET
HouClone
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08/14/24 01:12 PM ET
All that does is create a charity for WSU & OSU. I hate it for their fans,
-- reestuart
Aug 14, 2024 at 12:15 PM ET
reestuart
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08/14/24 12:15 PM ET
If the ACC just HAD to add teams from across the country-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Aug 14, 2024 at 04:04 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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08/14/24 04:04 PM ET
A Pac-10 without USC football and UCLA basketball just isn't the same.
-- Maroon Baboon
Aug 14, 2024 at 12:06 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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08/14/24 12:06 PM ET
This sounds God awful**
-- Sunsetunderground
Aug 14, 2024 at 10:35 AM ET
Sunsetunderground
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08/14/24 10:35 AM ET
They can call it the AccPac (pronounced "Ack-Pack").**
-- HokieNoVA
Aug 14, 2024 at 09:12 AM ET
HokieNoVA
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08/14/24 09:12 AM ET
I hear Billy Joel singing Big Shot - Ack-Pack Ack Ack Ack Ack Ack**
-- OrlandoHokie
Aug 14, 2024 at 10:38 AM ET
OrlandoHokie
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08/14/24 10:38 AM ET
I wish the ACC would have grabbed them
-- HokiesACC2004
Aug 13, 2024 at 05:19 AM ET
HokiesACC2004
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08/13/24 05:19 AM ET
Agree...hate to see them get hosed...plus one day it might be us**
-- Tuckahokie
Aug 13, 2024 at 05:55 PM ET
Tuckahokie
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08/13/24 05:55 PM ET
I always thought with the ACCN it would pay for them being new states
-- tcc_dc
Aug 13, 2024 at 12:39 PM ET
tcc_dc
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08/13/24 12:39 PM ET
Question for the board: Are there G5 options for the ACC or B12 that are
-- Maroon Baboon
Aug 13, 2024 at 02:17 AM ET
Maroon Baboon
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08/13/24 02:17 AM ET
Quite a few better than Wazzu, none better than Oregon State
-- obguthr
Aug 13, 2024 at 12:30 PM ET
obguthr
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08/13/24 12:30 PM ET
If the ACC loses 3 or four teams, they probably try to pull away some
-- wwhokie1
Aug 13, 2024 at 09:46 AM ET
wwhokie1
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08/13/24 09:46 AM ET
It's possible. Do you think the media money would be there? **
-- Big12 guy
Aug 13, 2024 at 01:03 PM ET
Big12 guy
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08/13/24 01:03 PM ET
Depends on how many teams the ACC loses. Depending on ACC losses
-- wwhokie1
Aug 13, 2024 at 01:11 PM ET
wwhokie1
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08/13/24 01:11 PM ET
I don't think the media money is as all final as you seem to
-- VTCALS72
Aug 13, 2024 at 04:31 PM ET
VTCALS72
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08/13/24 04:31 PM ET
But what if the Big 12 comes after a package deal of
-- wwhokie1
Aug 13, 2024 at 06:00 PM ET
wwhokie1
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08/13/24 06:00 PM ET
Let's just take VT since that is what we most care about
-- VTCALS72
Aug 13, 2024 at 06:26 PM ET
VTCALS72
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08/13/24 06:26 PM ET
The schools you list that the four would be better off staying with include
-- wwhokie1
Aug 13, 2024 at 08:25 PM ET
wwhokie1
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08/13/24 08:25 PM ET
I had FSU, Clemson, UNC and UVA as the ones leaving.
-- VTCALS72
Aug 13, 2024 at 09:13 PM ET
VTCALS72
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08/13/24 09:13 PM ET
The section of the thread I responded to had gone a different direction. **
-- wwhokie1
Aug 13, 2024 at 10:11 PM ET
wwhokie1
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08/13/24 10:11 PM ET
UCF needs a trave partner. Miami or GT? If VT is
-- Big12 guy
Aug 13, 2024 at 07:46 PM ET
Big12 guy
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08/13/24 07:46 PM ET
I agree on all points. The schools will go where the money is,
-- Big12 guy
Aug 13, 2024 at 01:23 PM ET
Big12 guy
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08/13/24 01:23 PM ET
Schools will go to where the post travel net money is.**
-- VTCALS72
Aug 14, 2024 at 07:48 AM ET
VTCALS72
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08/14/24 07:48 AM ET
Take a look at Couz's corner. he has a guy on there talking
-- Big12 guy
Aug 14, 2024 at 08:18 AM ET
Big12 guy
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08/14/24 08:18 AM ET
Only disagree with one point, the "Business" is not just football and MBB
-- VTCALS72
Aug 14, 2024 at 11:44 AM ET
VTCALS72
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08/14/24 11:44 AM ET
That was the athletic director that stated the 70%. Even if that is
-- Big12 guy
Aug 14, 2024 at 12:06 PM ET
Big12 guy
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08/14/24 12:06 PM ET
Texas State with 38,000 student enrolled may be a sleeper in the
-- Big12 guy
Aug 13, 2024 at 08:30 AM ET
Big12 guy
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08/13/24 08:30 AM ET
TSU main campus is in San Marcos, midway between Austin and San Antonio
-- El Paso Hokie
Aug 13, 2024 at 05:33 PM ET
El Paso Hokie
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08/13/24 05:33 PM ET
I've been thinking Texas State goes to the new PAC.
-- Truthahn
Aug 13, 2024 at 11:54 AM ET
Truthahn
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08/13/24 11:54 AM ET
Th New PAC is like talking about the mag 7 and top B12 teams forming
-- Big12 guy
Aug 13, 2024 at 01:34 PM ET
Big12 guy
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08/13/24 01:34 PM ET
I think the new PAC is a probability
-- VTCALS72
Aug 14, 2024 at 08:03 AM ET
VTCALS72
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08/14/24 08:03 AM ET
I like South Florida & UCONN in the east, San Diego St & Oregon State west
-- Stech
Aug 13, 2024 at 06:21 AM ET
Stech
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08/13/24 06:21 AM ET
I used to like UConn as an expansion option, back in the Big East days.
-- wwhokie1
Aug 13, 2024 at 02:56 PM ET
wwhokie1
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08/13/24 02:56 PM ET
I understand that, however 🏀 expansion is coming, so is the 💵 for the
-- Stech
Aug 13, 2024 at 09:54 PM ET
Stech
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08/13/24 09:54 PM ET
That rise in the value of basketball may come. But I'm afraid it may not
-- wwhokie1
Aug 13, 2024 at 10:09 PM ET
wwhokie1
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08/13/24 10:09 PM ET
I think schools like Duke and UCONN will be paying plenty for 🏀, Olympic
-- Stech
Aug 14, 2024 at 07:38 AM ET
Stech
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08/14/24 07:38 AM ET
When the Big east was considered a power conference, I remember
-- Big12 guy
Aug 13, 2024 at 03:55 PM ET
Big12 guy
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08/13/24 03:55 PM ET
south fla recently AAU school
-- 1947Sunbowl
Aug 13, 2024 at 09:47 AM ET
1947Sunbowl
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08/13/24 09:47 AM ET
Uconn and South Florida
-- HokiesACC2004
Aug 13, 2024 at 05:21 AM ET
HokiesACC2004
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08/13/24 05:21 AM ET
Remind all of us where FSU is headed again?**
-- drb
Aug 13, 2024 at 06:52 AM ET
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08/13/24 06:52 AM ET