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If the little foo foo schools want to have a little foo foo conference,

GREAT! More power to them. I'm sure there are more then 3-4 schools that would be happy to leave the ACC tomorrow, and, despite what you see on Twitter or hear from idiots like Paul Finebaum, there are other conferences that would be happy to have them and welcome them with open arms. The problem is the negative value schools are holding the schools that actually create all the value hostage, because they want to keep cashing the media rights checks that are bankrolled entirely by the football schools. You're also being completely disingenuous in ignoring that, in 2003, when VT was INVITED to the ACC, the ACC was the wealthiest conference and had the highest media rights value in the country. It's certainly not VT's fault that the conference has become what it's become. VT is basically the only former-Big East addition that has actually pulled its weight for the ACC - you certainly can't say the same thing about Miami, Boston College, Syracuse, or Pitt. Yes, Beamer slipped at the end, and VT made a bad coaching hire that basically wasted six years, but, along with FSU, who has always been the football draw even when they're bad, VT carried the ACC flag nationally for most of the 2000s. And, even when VT football is down, it still has more panache and brand power than most of the other football programs in the ACC. If you think Wake Forest, Duke, UVA, Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College, SMU, Syracuse, Cal, etc. etc. etc. have ANYTHING resembling panache, you don't know what panache means. Anyone can say what they want to about VT, but you're completely full of it if you try to make the argument that VT hasn't done its part or has otherwise devalued the ACC brand. Here's another little secret for you, while we're at it - Wake Forest contributed basically nothing towards the ACC's valuation way back when, either. They were just.....there, hanging around. And, just because Wake Forest was part of a little North Carolina basketball clique in the 1950's that wanted to stage their own tournament doesn't mean they are owed anything by anybody now, today. By any metric you want to bring to the table, Wake Forest brings absolutely nothing to the table, at all. If they want to play D1 basketball, great, they can knock themselves out. But the only reason they're not an FCS football program today, like they should be, is solely owing to geography and state politics in the 1950's. ** Edited by Baltimore_Hokie at 8/14/2024, 5:12:57 PM
Posted: 08/14/2024 at 05:09 PM ET
(In response to this post by Big12 guy)

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Some banter about WSU and Oregon State we already know but worth posting**
Maroon Unit • 08/12/24 07:47 PM ET
Create an ACC-PAC10 Network
Hardcore_Hokie • 08/14/24 07:28 AM ET
I'd rather just merge them with the ACC and dump Wake
Truthahn • 08/14/24 01:31 PM ET
"Dumping" schools is where you guys lose me. Wake is a founding
Big12 guy • 08/14/24 02:17 PM ET
Yes, it sucks, but I think even the B10 will eventually do it.
Truthahn • 08/16/24 12:21 PM ET
The top level football doesn't care about "regionality, ...
Atlee Hokie • 08/15/24 05:50 PM ET
Are you talking Texas, USC, ESPN and Fox? or are you talking
Big12 guy • 08/15/24 07:23 PM ET
We also traditionally played William and Mary, and VMI
RTFC • 08/14/24 11:12 PM ET
Playing Old Dominion and maybe Liberty down the road is the
Big12 guy • 08/15/24 08:41 AM ET
So maybe we have to drop an out of state private school to play those...
RTFC • 08/15/24 10:19 AM ET
The reality is........
2hhoop3 • 08/15/24 12:04 PM ET
Two OOC loses and winning the conference gets a bye. **
Big12 guy • 08/15/24 12:30 PM ET
Maybe......
2hhoop3 • 08/15/24 12:34 PM ET
I know, but winning those 2 OOC games, and losing
Big12 guy • 08/15/24 12:39 PM ET
Very doubtful........
2hhoop3 • 08/15/24 12:44 PM ET
A one loss loser of the conference championship gets in as well. The
Big12 guy • 08/15/24 12:52 PM ET
Disagree.....
2hhoop3 • 08/15/24 12:56 PM ET
They would have to be ranked high enough. WVU plays Penn state this year,
Big12 guy • 08/15/24 01:23 PM ET
Maybe should, but don't trust the "selection" committee.**
Atlee Hokie • 08/15/24 06:07 PM ET
After FSU being left out, who could trust them? **
Big12 guy • 08/15/24 07:22 PM ET
Maybe......
2hhoop3 • 08/15/24 02:44 PM ET
Don't disagree
RTFC • 08/15/24 12:23 PM ET
I agree.......
2hhoop3 • 08/15/24 12:31 PM ET
That is probably the reality, but I'm a sicko with the in state G5 matchups**
Big12 guy • 08/15/24 10:36 AM ET
So finding a way to drop a WF or BC is the reality...makes sense**
RTFC • 08/15/24 10:45 AM ET
I disagree. Finding a way to blow out their football and basketball
Big12 guy • 08/15/24 10:50 AM ET
? You just completely contradicted your last post...
RTFC • 08/15/24 11:53 AM ET
No, they are conference members. Obviously, the G5's are OOC. **
Big12 guy • 08/15/24 11:55 AM ET
VaTech has never dominated
VPI 1924 • 08/14/24 07:03 PM ET
Wake Forest has negative value. Wake Forest IS the problem with the ACC.
Baltimore_Hokie • 08/14/24 03:58 PM ET
All of that may be true, but you guys are the ones that wanted to be in the
Big12 guy • 08/14/24 04:41 PM ET
Nobody is asking for anOSU money - just pull your weight.**
RTFC • 08/15/24 10:25 AM ET
Are their athletic budgets in line with VT? If not, you have an argument. **
Big12 guy • 08/15/24 10:37 AM ET
Whether the budgets are or aren't commensurate is completely irrelevant-
Baltimore_Hokie • 08/15/24 11:40 AM ET
Again, they are in the ACC. maybe it's not the right conference for VT?**
Big12 guy • 08/15/24 11:48 AM ET
If the little foo foo schools want to have a little foo foo conference, ◄
Baltimore_Hokie • 08/14/24 05:09 PM ET
Pay the exit fee then. Like FSU, no one held a gun to any of
Big12 guy • 08/14/24 05:30 PM ET
The MAG7 was all about dumping teams, really. Everyone here loved that.
Truthahn • 08/16/24 04:28 PM ET
I mostly enjoy your posts, but you're exhibiting a real loser mindset.
Baltimore_Hokie • 08/15/24 10:10 AM ET
I lived in Boston and Charlotte. The ACC is not the problem. The private
Big12 guy • 08/15/24 10:34 AM ET
Mr. Custer those Indians are harmless - except for those arrows....**
RTFC • 08/15/24 11:56 AM ET
What exactly do you think is going to happen to Kansas-
Baltimore_Hokie • 08/15/24 11:05 AM ET
I don't expect KU to be competing for national championships
Big12 guy • 08/15/24 11:28 AM ET
Sounds like a great idea if each ACC member is
HouClone • 08/14/24 01:12 PM ET
All that does is create a charity for WSU & OSU. I hate it for their fans,
reestuart • 08/14/24 12:15 PM ET
If the ACC just HAD to add teams from across the country-
Baltimore_Hokie • 08/14/24 04:04 PM ET
A Pac-10 without USC football and UCLA basketball just isn't the same.
Maroon Baboon • 08/14/24 12:06 PM ET
USC-w has been.........
2hhoop3 • 08/14/24 12:15 PM ET
This sounds God awful**
Sunsetunderground • 08/14/24 10:35 AM ET
They can call it the AccPac (pronounced "Ack-Pack").**
HokieNoVA • 08/14/24 09:12 AM ET
I hear Billy Joel singing Big Shot - Ack-Pack Ack Ack Ack Ack Ack**
OrlandoHokie • 08/14/24 10:38 AM ET
A&P**
obguthr • 08/14/24 10:30 AM ET
I wish the ACC would have grabbed them
HokiesACC2004 • 08/13/24 05:19 AM ET
And who isn't up for some
Pylons • 08/13/24 06:48 PM ET
The Key to OSU/WSU is ESPN
HOO86 • 08/13/24 06:25 PM ET
Agree...hate to see them get hosed...plus one day it might be us**
Tuckahokie • 08/13/24 05:55 PM ET
I always thought with the ACCN it would pay for them being new states
tcc_dc • 08/13/24 12:39 PM ET
Always can **
1947Sunbowl • 08/13/24 07:51 AM ET
Question for the board: Are there G5 options for the ACC or B12 that are
Maroon Baboon • 08/13/24 02:17 AM ET
Quite a few better than Wazzu, none better than Oregon State
obguthr • 08/13/24 12:30 PM ET
ACC has 18 now.
VTCALS72 • 08/13/24 12:30 PM ET
If the ACC loses 3 or four teams, they probably try to pull away some
wwhokie1 • 08/13/24 09:46 AM ET
It's possible. Do you think the media money would be there? **
Big12 guy • 08/13/24 01:03 PM ET
Depends on how many teams the ACC loses. Depending on ACC losses
wwhokie1 • 08/13/24 01:11 PM ET
I don't think the media money is as all final as you seem to
VTCALS72 • 08/13/24 04:31 PM ET
But what if the Big 12 comes after a package deal of
wwhokie1 • 08/13/24 06:00 PM ET
Let's just take VT since that is what we most care about
VTCALS72 • 08/13/24 06:26 PM ET
The schools you list that the four would be better off staying with include
wwhokie1 • 08/13/24 08:25 PM ET
I had FSU, Clemson, UNC and UVA as the ones leaving.
VTCALS72 • 08/13/24 09:13 PM ET
The section of the thread I responded to had gone a different direction. **
wwhokie1 • 08/13/24 10:11 PM ET
UCF needs a trave partner. Miami or GT? If VT is
Big12 guy • 08/13/24 07:46 PM ET
I agree on all points. The schools will go where the money is,
Big12 guy • 08/13/24 01:23 PM ET
Schools will go to where the post travel net money is.**
VTCALS72 • 08/14/24 07:48 AM ET
Take a look at Couz's corner. he has a guy on there talking
Big12 guy • 08/14/24 08:18 AM ET
Only disagree with one point, the "Business" is not just football and MBB
VTCALS72 • 08/14/24 11:44 AM ET
That was the athletic director that stated the 70%. Even if that is
Big12 guy • 08/14/24 12:06 PM ET
UTSA
PadrosWindup • 08/13/24 08:07 AM ET
Texas State with 38,000 student enrolled may be a sleeper in the
Big12 guy • 08/13/24 08:30 AM ET
TSU main campus is in San Marcos, midway between Austin and San Antonio
El Paso Hokie • 08/13/24 05:33 PM ET
I've been thinking Texas State goes to the new PAC.
Truthahn • 08/13/24 11:54 AM ET
Th New PAC is like talking about the mag 7 and top B12 teams forming
Big12 guy • 08/13/24 01:34 PM ET
I think the new PAC is a probability
VTCALS72 • 08/14/24 08:03 AM ET
I like South Florida & UCONN in the east, San Diego St & Oregon State west
Stech • 08/13/24 06:21 AM ET
Agree with all of them.
HOO86 • 08/13/24 06:31 PM ET
I used to like UConn as an expansion option, back in the Big East days.
wwhokie1 • 08/13/24 02:56 PM ET
I understand that, however 🏀 expansion is coming, so is the 💵 for the
Stech • 08/13/24 09:54 PM ET
That rise in the value of basketball may come. But I'm afraid it may not
wwhokie1 • 08/13/24 10:09 PM ET
I think schools like Duke and UCONN will be paying plenty for 🏀, Olympic
Stech • 08/14/24 07:38 AM ET
When the Big east was considered a power conference, I remember
Big12 guy • 08/13/24 03:55 PM ET
south fla recently AAU school
1947Sunbowl • 08/13/24 09:47 AM ET
Uconn and South Florida
HokiesACC2004 • 08/13/24 05:21 AM ET
Welp
MrFantastic! • 08/13/24 02:54 AM ET
Remind all of us where FSU is headed again?**
drb • 08/13/24 06:52 AM ET
Nowhere probably **
MrFantastic! • 08/13/24 08:05 AM ET