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If the ACC is a valid target, so is the Big XII.
You just made the statement “the only way to jettison the weak viewer schools is through expansion, not contraction”. Clearly, this means expand the SEC, B10 and B12 to effectively jettison Wake Forest, BC, Duke, GT, Syracuse, SMU, Cal and Stanford. (Duke technically not a weak viewer school, just a bad football brand)
But, what if it the statement is tweaked… “jettison weak viewer schools through expansion, THEN contraction”? If it’s possible to expand the P2 AND Big XII to contract the weak ACC schools, then it also must be possible for the P2 to THEN expand to 48, in the process taking the best of the Big XII to contract the weak Big XII schools.
Yes, there are weak B12 schools that can be jettisoned.
Let me explain with an example. Washington State and Oregon State were the first schools to be “jettisoned” from the Power Football conferences. Not Wake Forest. Not BC. Not Duke. Oregon St and Washington St are large state schools with great fanbases, but none of us batted an eyelash when they were ‘jettisoned’. “Oh gee, that sucks for them. They’ll be in the Mountain West, but their fans will get used to it”
But why didn’t the Big XII add them? Their fanbases fit perfectly alongside Texas Tech, West Virginia, Iowa State, and Kansas State. Misfit toys, right?
Honestly, I’m not asking in an inflammatory tone or anything like that. I respect your opinions more than most on this board. But why aren’t Washington State and Oregon State good adds for the Big XII if K State, Iowa St, TT are necessary pieces of a Power Football conference? What’s the difference? On September 23rd, 1.5M people watched Oregon St and Washington State, while 500k watched UCF and Kansas State, and yes 300k, watched VT and Marshall. (God, we sucked in that game). They were on different networks at different times, and the schools all had different quality seasons going, but Oregon State and Wash St are capable of delivering worthy TV ratings just like Iowa State, or Cincinnati or Arizona.
So, why aren’t Oregon State and Washington State in the Big XII now? Why were they first to be jettisoned?
Answer? Because they aren’t relevant for power football legitimacy. This is the Big XII’s stance first and foremost, because they could have added them, but chose not to. They’re the clear #2 football school in mid sized states. The Big XII didn’t want them. The Big XII wanted Arizona and Arizona State and Colorado.
And if the Big XII decides Washington State and Oregon State aren’t necessary, where does that leave the peers of Wash State and Oregon State who reside in the Big XII?
Well…maybe Iowa State isn’t necessary. Kansas is necessary, sure. But maybe Kansas State isn’t necessary. Texas and aTm are necessary. Texas Tech? Penn State is necessary, but what about Pitt? If the Big Ten gets Utah, who cares about BYU? Was anybody watch Colorado before Prime? They will be ‘jettisoned’ if the P2 truly breakaway. And they will receive the same non-batted eyelashes that Washington St and Oregon St received. Yes, they have hundreds of thousands of fans whose viewership may be affected. But the collective fans of the 48 schools in the P2 (if it breaks away, it needs 48) are quite possibly all it needs.
Look, I’ve accepted that the ACC is going down. The Pac 12 has already gown down. You have to at least entertain the possibility that it doesn’t stop there.
Thread Replies (73)
Looks like the NFL is going to private equity for at least 10%
-- Big12 guy
Jul 13, 2024 at 12:41 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/13/24 12:41 PM ET
It's not ownership of the league. It's a 10% cap on an NFL team's ownership
-- PadrosWindup
Jul 14, 2024 at 09:19 AM ET
PadrosWindup
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07/14/24 09:19 AM ET
you can't pay investors with goodwill...be careful what you wish for**
-- MrBayAreaHokie
Jul 13, 2024 at 09:26 PM ET
MrBayAreaHokie
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07/13/24 09:26 PM ET
I assure you, I'm not wishing for
-- Big12 guy
Jul 13, 2024 at 09:59 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/13/24 09:59 PM ET
Big-12 Gets What From NFL For 10%?
-- WarHog38
Jul 13, 2024 at 05:59 PM ET
WarHog38
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07/13/24 05:59 PM ET
There has been nothing mentioned what they would do with that money. I
-- Big12 guy
Jul 13, 2024 at 06:22 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/13/24 06:22 PM ET
There will be no "P3". There will only be a P2. And anyone who thinks that
-- tarheelblue
Jul 13, 2024 at 10:08 PM ET
tarheelblue
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07/13/24 10:08 PM ET
Sheer delusion here…
-- HydrogenHokie
Jul 14, 2024 at 01:40 PM ET
HydrogenHokie
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07/14/24 01:40 PM ET
True! The big cash winners will be the Law Firms handling this craziness!!**
-- ancient alien 2018
Jul 15, 2024 at 01:12 AM ET
ancient alien 2018
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07/15/24 01:12 AM ET
If you don't believe the P2 and Big media are dictating this together,
-- VTCALS72
Jul 14, 2024 at 03:43 PM ET
VTCALS72
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07/14/24 03:43 PM ET
Sad but that's the road we are going down **
-- VaTechHokiesACC
Jul 14, 2024 at 09:58 PM ET
VaTechHokiesACC
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07/14/24 09:58 PM ET
It is sad, disgusting and a whole host of other words
-- VTCALS72
Jul 15, 2024 at 07:39 AM ET
VTCALS72
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07/15/24 07:39 AM ET
Well of course it is. They know that fans will watch no matter what.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 15, 2024 at 10:29 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/15/24 10:29 AM ET
We have disagreed a lot but not on this.**
-- VTCALS72
Jul 15, 2024 at 12:50 PM ET
VTCALS72
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07/15/24 12:50 PM ET
Truth. That's why neither has any incentive to change the status quo.
-- neworleanshoo
Jul 14, 2024 at 11:57 AM ET
neworleanshoo
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07/14/24 11:57 AM ET
Yep, and that's the bottom line.**
-- VTCALS72
Jul 14, 2024 at 06:48 AM ET
VTCALS72
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07/14/24 06:48 AM ET
"Cause Stone Cold says so" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-- ancient alien 2018
Jul 15, 2024 at 01:14 AM ET
ancient alien 2018
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07/15/24 01:14 AM ET
I disagree with that entire post. **
-- Big12 guy
Jul 13, 2024 at 10:35 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/13/24 10:35 PM ET
OMG, he is pretty much spot on **
-- HokiesACC2004
Jul 13, 2024 at 11:11 PM ET
HokiesACC2004
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07/13/24 11:11 PM ET
My thinking is that ESPN and FOX NEED that 3rd conference. Never
-- Big12 guy
Jul 14, 2024 at 07:40 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/14/24 07:40 AM ET
If the ACC is a valid target, so is the Big XII.
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-- hokieZ71
Jul 14, 2024 at 09:40 AM ET
hokieZ71
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07/14/24 09:40 AM ET
Wow, excellent post **
-- VaTechHokiesACC
Jul 14, 2024 at 09:57 PM ET
VaTechHokiesACC
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07/14/24 09:57 PM ET
That is a good post. Most of these decisions being
-- Big12 guy
Jul 14, 2024 at 10:01 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/14/24 10:01 AM ET
It is not NFL giving Big 12 10%....
-- 2hhoop3
Jul 13, 2024 at 06:19 PM ET
2hhoop3
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07/13/24 06:19 PM ET
It seems if this "PE" thing does work out for...
-- Old Line Hokie
Jul 13, 2024 at 08:20 PM ET
Old Line Hokie
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07/13/24 08:20 PM ET
The NFL isn't just considering PE, they are in active
-- Big12 guy
Jul 13, 2024 at 09:11 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/13/24 09:11 PM ET
Sounds pretty active to me. **
-- Big12 guy
Jul 14, 2024 at 06:26 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/14/24 06:26 AM ET
Ever see Idiocracy where even the politicians have to plug their sponsors
-- VPI_1998
Jul 14, 2024 at 05:14 AM ET
VPI_1998
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07/14/24 05:14 AM ET
You are correct, but the concept is the same. **
-- Big12 guy
Jul 13, 2024 at 06:29 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/13/24 06:29 PM ET
I agree with this as well. It would have to be something that increases the
-- Big12 guy
Jul 13, 2024 at 07:06 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/13/24 07:06 PM ET
PE firms aren't going to do anything until it's decided how and when a
-- manassashoo
Jul 13, 2024 at 04:39 PM ET
manassashoo
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07/13/24 04:39 PM ET
The B12 doesn't need PE money to save them from anything. I believe
-- Big12 guy
Jul 13, 2024 at 06:02 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/13/24 06:02 PM ET
A non flyover view of what the big 12 is
-- VTCALS72
Jul 15, 2024 at 07:56 AM ET
VTCALS72
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07/15/24 07:56 AM ET
It comes down to the players and recruiting. Do you honestly think
-- Big12 guy
Jul 15, 2024 at 04:08 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/15/24 04:08 PM ET
Then quit bragging about PE money closing the gap between the P2 and
-- manassashoo
Jul 13, 2024 at 07:01 PM ET
manassashoo
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07/13/24 07:01 PM ET
No one is bragging. I will lament he loss of the ACC as we have known the
-- Big12 guy
Jul 13, 2024 at 10:17 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/13/24 10:17 PM ET
You guys aren't immune from any of this
-- HokiesACC2004
Jul 13, 2024 at 11:12 PM ET
HokiesACC2004
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07/13/24 11:12 PM ET
Just need them to realistically contend
-- Big12 guy
Jul 14, 2024 at 09:50 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/14/24 09:50 AM ET
Fair play. FSU and Clemson getting out of a GOR might make the B12 risky….**
-- hokieZ71
Jul 13, 2024 at 04:43 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/13/24 04:43 PM ET
Exactly. Why would you invest billions, when your top brands can leave
-- manassashoo
Jul 13, 2024 at 04:48 PM ET
manassashoo
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07/13/24 04:48 PM ET
They see the emergence of new brands
-- HouClone
Jul 13, 2024 at 06:47 PM ET
HouClone
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07/13/24 06:47 PM ET
IMHO it is exactly the opposite, they want only their brands
-- VTCALS72
Jul 14, 2024 at 06:52 AM ET
VTCALS72
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07/14/24 06:52 AM ET
So what would keep them from leaving in the future. That's what the PE
-- manassashoo
Jul 13, 2024 at 06:59 PM ET
manassashoo
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07/13/24 06:59 PM ET
so what if my prediction of the P2 then miles and miles between them and
-- VTCALS72
Jul 13, 2024 at 03:13 PM ET
VTCALS72
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07/13/24 03:13 PM ET
But Big 12 guy is saying the Big 12 uses their PE$ to close the gap.
-- hokieZ71
Jul 13, 2024 at 04:40 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/13/24 04:40 PM ET
We are on different realities and you are right, they will not intersect
-- VTCALS72
Jul 15, 2024 at 07:44 AM ET
VTCALS72
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07/15/24 07:44 AM ET
Yep big media will not allow the P2 they are building to be challenged
-- VTCALS72
Jul 13, 2024 at 08:02 PM ET
VTCALS72
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07/13/24 08:02 PM ET
Your opinion does not negate the direction that PE seems to
-- Big12 guy
Jul 13, 2024 at 12:55 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/13/24 12:55 PM ET
You could buy a couple schools’ half billion ACC buyouts with that.**
-- hokieZ71
Jul 13, 2024 at 01:11 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/13/24 01:11 PM ET
B12 sells their conference and gives the money to the ACC? How
-- Big12 guy
Jul 13, 2024 at 01:21 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/13/24 01:21 PM ET
Here’s the thing. There will still be an ACC.
-- hokieZ71
Jul 13, 2024 at 01:36 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/13/24 01:36 PM ET
Couldn’t a PE firm buy out the best brands in the ACC/B12?…
-- BROman Hokie
Jul 13, 2024 at 01:58 PM ET
BROman Hokie
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07/13/24 01:58 PM ET
Yes, if schools like UNC and UVA probably weren’t 100% against the B12
-- hokieZ71
Jul 13, 2024 at 02:12 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/13/24 02:12 PM ET
You make UNC abd UVA sound
-- Big12 guy
Jul 13, 2024 at 03:52 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/13/24 03:52 PM ET
Not at all. Calford didnt have an option to stay in the PAC 12.
-- hokieZ71
Jul 13, 2024 at 04:09 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/13/24 04:09 PM ET
No, it's not that, it's the sticking their nose up to the B12. "Academic"
-- Big12 guy
Jul 13, 2024 at 05:56 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/13/24 05:56 PM ET
Not academic elitism. Athletic elitism.
-- hokieZ71
Jul 13, 2024 at 06:33 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/13/24 06:33 PM ET
I don't disagree with what you said, and didn't imply that isn't
-- Big12 guy
Jul 13, 2024 at 01:04 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/13/24 01:04 PM ET