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I am aware.....

of maintaining plausible deniability and the need for backchannel communications. I am also aware that things publicly apparent are not necessarily how it occurs in private. The B1G maintains they were contacted by the schools. There is a better than even money chance FOX was the go between and the initial inquiries were at best mutual. Reports are USC was the focus and there was no initial demand for #2. In fact, given actions by Carol Folt and USC it is likely they were only looking out for themselves. If it were to ever be fully disclosed, I would wager that FOX ran the numbers for several #2s and drove the call for UCLA. You also have to believe the numbers made a strong case because the potential headaches of dealing with California politicians and the UCal system would likely favor Oregon or Washington, two better football programs, given that SC delivers the LA market.
Posted: 12/12/2023 at 02:04 PM ET
(In response to this post by Stech)

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I'm not buying the notion that UVA and VT, or UNC and NC St. are package
wwhokie1 • 12/11/23 01:43 PM ET
It would also hurt the state generally if none got in versus one only**
CrystalCoveHokie • 12/13/23 09:30 AM ET
That might have been the horse-trade but it looks like it is falling apart,
TDVick • 12/13/23 03:06 AM ET
When did expansion stop being about football? I missed that if it happened.
Stech • 12/13/23 01:42 PM ET
The March Madness pot of money is huge and could get reallocated eventually
TDVick • 12/13/23 06:29 PM ET
I understand, I think many think basketball payouts are going the way of 🏈
Stech • 12/13/23 07:31 PM ET
UNC wants UVA and really doesn't want us. This is the point I made in 2011
TDVick • 12/13/23 03:02 AM ET
The SEC has a stronger hand than UNC IMHO...
gman86 • 12/13/23 12:23 PM ET
ESPN has a stronger hand than the SEC.
tarheelblue • 12/13/23 03:57 PM ET
You make a good point. I hope you are right. I do agree with your logic
TDVick • 12/13/23 01:22 PM ET
WHy UNC will lean BIG if ACC dies.**
MrFantastic! • 12/13/23 12:48 PM ET
SEC will have decisions to make if and when.
MrFantastic! • 12/13/23 08:38 AM ET
NC State and Va Tech in the SEC...UVA and UNC in the Big 10
VaTechHokiesACC • 12/13/23 12:34 AM ET
Not sure UNC & UVA to the SEC will happen alone
VTCALS72 • 12/13/23 08:37 AM ET
The ACC had a gun to their head and was forced to invite us before they
TDVick • 12/13/23 09:33 AM ET
what if you were an advertising exec
VTCALS72 • 12/13/23 10:56 AM ET
If I’m a P2, I’m looking at the biggest untapped markets available.
Hardcore_Hokie • 12/13/23 11:15 AM ET
You got it and that, not the individual VT or UVA that is the driver
VTCALS72 • 12/13/23 11:33 AM ET
As far as cable and TV markets, I don’t think PSU carries DC at all
Hardcore_Hokie • 12/13/23 11:54 AM ET
prolly**
MrBayAreaHokie • 12/12/23 02:28 PM ET
I'd agree. The situattion isn't what it was 20 yrs ago in 2003. **
anotherdamnyankeehokie • 12/12/23 02:09 PM ET
It looks worse for us to me. Are you saying our position is better?
TDVick • 12/13/23 03:07 AM ET
Without getting political, it can't help VT's case that southwest VA is
501 • 12/11/23 08:45 PM ET
This should help VT's image.**
Gadfly • 12/12/23 04:45 PM ET
I’ve read that Attorney General hopes
Hokie12thman • 12/12/23 12:00 PM ET
Acting independently wouldn't be "rogue."
Pylons • 12/12/23 12:07 PM ET
One would think from some of the comments that Blacksburg resembles an
jrc3rd • 12/12/23 09:51 AM ET
Nailed it!
fsghokie • 12/13/23 09:21 AM ET
Virginia Tech is the largest university in Virginia, and it's a state U
EDGEMAN • 12/12/23 08:51 AM ET
FWIW I believe George Mason University is the largest university in VA with
VTHokie2000 • 12/12/23 05:17 PM ET
We're talking real universities, not commuter or diploma factories...lol**
EDGEMAN • 12/13/23 04:59 AM ET
One med school.
Pylons • 12/12/23 01:16 PM ET
I use that whenever Hoos talk about their med school...
EDGEMAN • 12/12/23 02:57 PM ET
You don’t think vet school is a med school?**
HOKIEGOBBLE • 12/12/23 02:53 PM ET
no, I don't
Pylons • 12/12/23 07:02 PM ET
I'd much rather see a vet than a doctor.
mancunian • 12/13/23 10:26 AM ET
Yeah, we humans have so much in common with turtles and chickens 🙄
Pylons • 12/13/23 10:33 AM ET
*Deleted*
Hokie Fiji • 12/12/23 09:52 PM ET
... and 95% of the students are from NoVA. :)**
Windows NT • 12/12/23 11:12 AM ET
It sure feels that way...lol**
EDGEMAN • 12/12/23 11:17 AM ET
There will be bipartisan support for UVA-VT package, and we just saw…
ombandit • 12/12/23 06:26 AM ET
do you really think "bipartisan advocacy" carried any weight?
VTCALS72 • 12/12/23 07:46 AM ET
I have reason to believe USC said we aren’t going without UCLA to the B1G.
Stech • 12/12/23 08:19 AM ET
UNC is basically in the role of USC. They want UVA pulled in with then.
TDVick • 12/13/23 03:11 AM ET
Agreed, UNC wants UVA, but don’t let fan talk convince you that @ the Admin
Stech • 12/13/23 08:40 AM ET
I think you might......
2hhoop3 • 12/12/23 12:50 PM ET
I have a very hard time believing they didn’t talk to each other and did
Stech • 12/12/23 01:46 PM ET
I am aware..... ◄
2hhoop3 • 12/12/23 02:04 PM ET
If you’re saying USC would have gone even if UCLA didn’t, I agree. I also
Stech • 12/12/23 02:19 PM ET
"USC said 'we aren't going without UCLA'"
Pylons • 12/12/23 07:19 PM ET
Yeah, USC was gone regardless. I imagine having UCLA come along
reestuart • 12/13/23 09:09 AM ET
So you admit they were likely communicating, & really wanted 2 go together?
Stech • 12/12/23 09:06 PM ET
It would not surprise me if they were communicating.
Pylons • 12/12/23 09:14 PM ET
Both things can be true especially in negotiating, USC could have said we
Stech • 12/12/23 09:34 PM ET
If you had originally posted that USC *could have* said they weren't going
Pylons • 12/13/23 12:44 AM ET
Okay Professor, I have edited the post. Can we please let th dead 🐎 sleep?**
Stech • 12/13/23 08:33 AM ET
One more for your........
2hhoop3 • 12/12/23 09:59 PM ET
🤣**
Stech • 12/12/23 11:50 PM ET
The point of UCLA........
2hhoop3 • 12/12/23 02:34 PM ET
Agreed, there is no question they were trying to keep the UCal people out
Stech • 12/12/23 02:39 PM ET
USC needed a travel partner. If Tech gets an SEC invite, they will leave UV
Big12 guy • 12/12/23 12:17 PM ET
VT and UVa were divided athletically for a long time
Pylons • 12/12/23 11:04 AM ET
We just disagree on what we have to offer
VTCALS72 • 12/12/23 11:00 AM ET
USC did? Got a link?**
Pylons • 12/12/23 10:53 AM ET
I have a very hard time believing they didn’t talk to each other and
Stech • 12/12/23 01:48 PM ET
So that's a "no" then.
Pylons • 12/12/23 07:16 PM ET
So you are saying if you can’t prove it, it means it never happened!
Stech • 12/12/23 08:58 PM ET
Not actually what I said
Pylons • 12/12/23 09:10 PM ET
John Warner always made sure that VA's
mancunian • 12/12/23 08:30 AM ET
Spot on former Secretary of the Navy & Va Senator started Va Congressional
Stech • 12/12/23 01:18 PM ET
Warner was an old school statesman.
mancunian • 12/12/23 01:54 PM ET
True, he looked at things objectively, but one of the great things he left
Stech • 12/12/23 02:04 PM ET
It's a public not private school
HokiesACC2004 • 12/12/23 06:20 AM ET
The demographic prize is NOVA where basically half of our alums
Tuckahokie • 12/12/23 06:18 AM ET
We also dominate tidewater and Richmond. We dominate the Commonwealth!**
EDGEMAN • 12/12/23 08:52 AM ET
Virginia Tech is a state university, so where it's located should...
Old Line Hokie • 12/11/23 11:50 PM ET
There really is no way......
2hhoop3 • 12/11/23 09:02 PM ET
Even if true, which I think it is true, it has nothing to do with this
Stech • 12/11/23 09:09 PM ET
I do not disagree.....
2hhoop3 • 12/11/23 09:15 PM ET
Yep 2hhoop3 I agree, proving once again, never say never! 🤣🤣**
Stech • 12/11/23 10:12 PM ET
I don't know if that is true or not, but WADR that has nothing to do with
Stech • 12/11/23 09:02 PM ET
Might as well ask if PSU has dwindling influence in PA state politics
Marooned • 12/11/23 10:41 PM ET
You should be buying, same with UNC and NCSU IMHO. The odds of those 4
Stech • 12/11/23 08:29 PM ET
If those four remain a boxed set, here's my prediction (FWIW)
33laszlo99 • 12/11/23 09:06 PM ET
ESPN just took Texas when they had Texas A&M, ESPN loves Alabama Auburn and
Stech • 12/11/23 10:24 PM ET
The question depends on the viability of the ACC
Marooned • 12/11/23 08:24 PM ET
Will be interesting and I know for fact
Hokie83 • 12/11/23 07:29 PM ET
"Tied together" how?
Pylons • 12/11/23 10:42 PM ET
Well the UVA athletic director said Whit speaks for both of us
OrlandoHokie • 12/12/23 12:19 AM ET
Characterized here**
Pylons • 12/12/23 01:53 AM ET
I love that the revenue consultant company is called Fishbait Solutions
OrlandoHokie • 12/12/23 10:53 AM ET
For the "bond" to be effective would require some convoluted, esoteric
33laszlo99 • 12/11/23 11:34 PM ET
I think the politicians are, as usual big bags of wind in this.
VTCALS72 • 12/11/23 07:10 PM ET
At one time, OK and OSU were a package.
Truthahn • 12/11/23 05:48 PM ET
It was Colorado and 5 schools
mrcaniac • 12/11/23 08:53 PM ET
Its every school for itself in realignment
TerryD • 12/11/23 05:03 PM ET
Selective reasoning by the Independent, USC and UCLA and Texas & Texas A&M
Stech • 12/11/23 08:38 PM ET
My post had nothing to do with ND
TerryD • 12/12/23 09:02 AM ET
WADR, when you post, it’s always from the Independent ND perspective.
Stech • 12/12/23 02:01 PM ET
I agree athletes will be employees
TerryD • 12/12/23 04:50 PM ET
*
TerryD • 12/12/23 04:50 PM ET
Like being offered the last seat in a lifeboat and turning it down…..
CrystalCoveHokie • 12/11/23 04:58 PM ET
That assumes there ever will be "future expansion"
VTCALS72 • 12/11/23 03:52 PM ET
Since everything revolves around money
Millpoint • 12/11/23 03:33 PM ET
The Calimony model.**
tarheelblue • 12/11/23 03:39 PM ET
Exactly
Millpoint • 12/11/23 04:05 PM ET
IF (and it's a big if) Valimony actually happened...
Gobbler Guru • 12/11/23 08:56 PM ET
Yeah, I get that people *want* them to move together,
Pylons • 12/11/23 02:26 PM ET
From what I’ve read here, VT and UVA
HokieAl • 12/11/23 01:56 PM ET
Don't the Carolina schools actually have a UNC system? That could come
IB4TECH • 12/11/23 09:37 PM ET
Yes, a common chancellor rules over the roost.**
RJHokie • 12/11/23 09:39 PM ET
And Texas being Texas, it has at least 2, if not more systems.
Atlee Hokie • 12/11/23 09:50 PM ET
6 systems
mrcaniac • 12/11/23 11:28 PM ET
I guess the state of Texas does nothing , if it can't do it in excess.**
Atlee Hokie • 12/12/23 03:28 AM ET
Yes, TT has its own system
Marooned • 12/11/23 10:52 PM ET
I could see them putting in a good word for the other , but not rejecting
wwhokie1 • 12/11/23 02:41 PM ET