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Conflating “best” and “playoff” leads to seemingly inconsistent results

No other sport bases playoff berths on a subjective determination of what team is “best.” The NFL doesn’t. MLB doesn’t. No one does but college football. Everyone else bases playoff berths on what team is most deserving, generally based on who has the best record with reasonably comparable schedules. It’s why a comparatively mediocre team like Tampa Bay or Carolina will make the NFC playoffs and a subjectively “better” team like Detroit will be left out. Selecting playoff teams based on the subjective judgment of which team is “best” invariably leads to bias and preference and other improper considerations entering the picture. Take 1993. Notre Dame has no legitimate claim to the 1993 national championship. Neither did Florida State, which won it. It’s true that the Irish beat the Seminoles in South Bend on November 13. And then lost in South Bend to a Boston College team that won its eighth straight game on November 20. The same BC team that West Virginia beat in Boston on November 26. The upshot is that 11-0 Nebraska, champion of the Big 8, should have played 11-0 West Virginia, champion of the Big East, for the national championship in the Orange Bowl. Not Florida State. As WVU coach Don Nehlen put it, “we beat the team (BC), that beat the team (ND), that beat the team (FSU), you know what I mean?” But FSU was a bigger brand than WVU, and Bobby Bowden was the media’s darling who had yet to win a championship after being thwarted many times (usually by Miami). So WVU got screwed and Nebraska lost to FSU in a game played in Florida. Not having a real chance to win it all, and it being a time before made-up claims to national championships (ala UCF and others) was socially acceptable, WVU’s team had a good time on Bourbon Street and got destroyed by Florida in the Sugar Bowl. That 1993 WVU team was not as good as the 1988 team that lost the national championship to the Irish in the Fiesta Bowl (a game in which QB Major Harris separated his shoulder on the first offensive series). But it earned a chance to play for the title. And either the Mountaineers or the Cornhuskers should have finished 12-0 and deservingly won the title. It didn’t happen because Tom Osborne and Don Nehlen and their teams were not as popular as Bobby Bowden and his team. So the subjective criteria of “best” gets repeatedly manipulated by the media and the pollsters from year to year, and it looks inconsistent because different explanations are used to justify what amounts to a popularity contest. In real life it is exceedingly rare for there to be three teams, much less four, that deserve a chance to play for a national championship and have a genuine chance to win it. Virginia Tech played and lost narrowly to the one that probably precipitated the multi-team playoff, 2004 Auburn. This was before the ESPN promotion of the SEC had fully taken off and Auburn was the rare SEC team that could lose a popularity contest - in that instance, to blue bloods USC and Oklahoma. Notre Dame has no gripe. A two-loss team cannot be said to “deserve” a shot at the championship and the Irish clearly were not even deemed to be among the three or four “best” teams. This was a debate about who were the 8th, 9th, 10th and 11th best teams. That Notre Dame was left out is notable only because the Irish almost never get the shaft. Far more often, Notre Dame plays a role in giving another team the shaft - like Michael Vick and the 2000 Hokies, who should have gotten the Fiesta Bowl bid awarded to an outmatched but more popular Irish team. Until all programs - including Notre Dame - are in some kind of conference or super league or other similar confederation that lends itself to a selection process that takes subjective determinations of “best” out of the picture, there will be inconsistent results - and not coincidentally, something for the media to talk about. Notre Dame had a good team and a good year. Not great, but good enough that its fans should be pleased instead of engaging in the wretched whining too many have exhibited. The abysmal behavior of Notre Dame’s leadership has sent a poor message to its fans and supporters. Like the kids in the gym of Hickory High, Notre Dame fans should be proud of what their team is, and not concern themselves with what it is not. ** Edited by Tailgate Guru at 12/15/2025, 7:35:58 PM ** Edited by Tailgate Guru at 12/15/2025, 7:39:49 PM
Posted: 12/15/2025 at 07:35 PM ET
(In response to this post by TerryD)

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New sign for the Notre Dame tunnel…..**
CrystalCoveHokie 12/14/25 11:28 PM ET
i prefer we keep this board
Vippie1 12/15/25 01:33 PM ET
As an occasional visitor/poster I like this board as somewhat of a
Tuckahokie 12/16/25 06:16 AM ET
Interesting concept
Tailgate Guru 12/15/25 06:00 PM ET
Not asking for any
TerryD 12/15/25 11:25 PM ET
no one pays a cent for this board- we are all guests.**
Vippie1 12/17/25 01:36 PM ET
Yeah but you don't behave like a jackass over here.
mancunian 12/16/25 08:30 AM ET
Amen**
Femoyer Hokie 12/15/25 04:03 PM ET
NEGOTIATION Dame gets auto bid if top 12 even if someone is ranked higher!!
Stech 12/15/25 10:39 AM ET
This is only if there is a 12-team playoff and also the
CobbCountyHokie 12/15/25 03:27 PM ET
At that point it doesn't matter. There is no way the committee will ...
Atlee Hokie 12/15/25 08:36 PM ET
The playoff discussion.....
2hhoop3 12/15/25 08:03 PM ET
Got a link to that information?**
Stech 12/15/25 07:56 PM ET
TechSideline Talking with Teel podcast from last week
CobbCountyHokie 12/15/25 11:19 PM ET
There was a report that some AD are trying to boycott ND games
RandomAsianGuy 12/15/25 12:43 PM ET
Dan Wolken
TerryD 12/16/25 01:05 PM ET
So, generally, if you are in the top 11, you are in. What's the big deal? **
Big12 guy 12/15/25 11:11 AM ET
What if you are #11 and ND is #12? and what if you beat ND hth?**
RandomAsianGuy 12/15/25 12:38 PM ET
Now - head to head is different Twice now ND has been kept
Big12 guy 12/15/25 12:44 PM ET
Conflicting stances over the years
TerryD 12/15/25 01:08 PM ET
Conflating “best” and “playoff” leads to seemingly inconsistent results
Tailgate Guru 12/15/25 07:35 PM ET
That is a good post. The expanded playoffs will
Big12 guy 12/16/25 07:40 AM ET
ND isn't in the conference. Miami is. Full stop**
moneal 12/16/25 08:30 AM ET
I know, and I am on record that Miami should have gotten the
Big12 guy 12/16/25 08:35 AM ET
No one threw anyone under the bus
Tailgate Guru 12/16/25 07:58 AM ET
Woe. First, if the subscribers of this community wish me to move on,
Big12 guy 12/16/25 08:25 AM ET
Most of us are sick of hearing that nonsense, from whatever source
Tailgate Guru 12/16/25 09:05 AM ET
Haha, now your talking. Do tell, why in the world
Big12 guy 12/16/25 09:10 AM ET
I am a fan of good behavior
Tailgate Guru 12/16/25 01:48 PM ET
ND believed they were in a good spot
mancunian 12/16/25 10:32 AM ET
Point to any prior instances....
TerryD 12/16/25 01:07 PM ET
Well, you guys pushed Cal and Stanford
mancunian 12/16/25 02:12 PM ET
When they complained about the perfectly reasonable backing of Miami**
RTFC 12/16/25 02:03 PM ET
Not a breach of any deal**
TerryD 12/16/25 03:07 PM ET
No, but not a "great partner" either - per you request**
RTFC 12/16/25 03:09 PM ET
I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty certain the ND knows
Big12 guy 12/16/25 11:04 AM ET
I think the ACC is a goner or is in a totally
mancunian 12/16/25 11:11 AM ET
There may not be enough data points to determine if your generalization is
VTHokie2000 12/15/25 11:48 AM ET
Why have the rule?**
Stech 12/15/25 11:13 AM ET
Why have any automatic qualifers for conference teams?**
TerryD 12/15/25 12:33 PM ET
Why include teams that aren’t good enough to win their own league?
Tailgate Guru 12/15/25 07:49 PM ET
Why not have the rule for anyone in the top 12, instead of just Notre Dame?
Stech 12/15/25 01:16 PM ET
Fine by me
TerryD 12/15/25 01:39 PM ET
*
TerryD 12/15/25 01:38 PM ET
*
TerryD 12/15/25 01:38 PM ET
If the field was established by whomever finishes ranked in the Top 12 in
VTHokie2000 12/15/25 01:30 PM ET
Are you saying it’s okay if only ND gets the rule of top 12?**
Stech 12/15/25 01:33 PM ET
No, I don't think it is a good idea if Notre Dame is the only team with the
VTHokie2000 12/15/25 01:42 PM ET
To reward them for the regular season and winning their conference.
VTHokie2000 12/15/25 01:09 PM ET
What about the proposed multipile AQ's?
TerryD 12/15/25 01:10 PM ET
The only participants should be conference champions**
Tailgate Guru 12/15/25 07:52 PM ET
Your question asked about automatic bids for conference teams and I
VTHokie2000 12/15/25 01:17 PM ET
That's fair, as I don't know. Why not have the rule? **
Big12 guy 12/15/25 11:54 AM ET
Because it shows preferential treatment to ND that no one else gets, if you
Stech 12/15/25 12:18 PM ET
TV ratings pay the bills. If you take money out
Big12 guy 12/15/25 12:23 PM ET
Are you sure TV ratings is the driving factor? Given how much money is
VTHokie2000 12/15/25 01:49 PM ET
Delete
VTHokie2000 12/15/25 01:49 PM ET
The answer is really simple. Kick them out of ACC….
CrystalCoveHokie 12/15/25 10:46 AM ET
The ACC leadership is stupid, but they are not the old Big East
Tailgate Guru 12/15/25 07:54 PM ET
That would be awesome.**
goldendomer 12/15/25 11:28 AM ET
ND would laugh, no exit or GOR fees**
TerryD 12/15/25 12:34 PM ET
That would be an ideal outcome.
goldendomer 12/15/25 12:51 PM ET
Yep that would be best case scenario for ND
HokieAl 12/15/25 12:45 PM ET
The ACC's ND home games in football are probably worth
Big12 guy 12/15/25 11:13 AM ET
That’s two or three games per year
Tailgate Guru 12/15/25 07:56 PM ET
That ND needs the scheduling agreement just as much?
RTFC 12/15/25 11:28 AM ET
They don't NEED the ACC games. KU NEEDS the B12 games, VT NEEDS
Big12 guy 12/15/25 11:57 AM ET
Conferences control dates
Tailgate Guru 12/15/25 08:03 PM ET
So, are you saying that the conference would
Big12 guy 12/16/25 06:24 AM ET
Well...
RTFC 12/16/25 10:15 AM ET
Things were much different when the current ACC
Big12 guy 12/16/25 10:56 AM ET
Go look on ND boards...they need end of season games...according to them.
RTFC 12/16/25 11:49 AM ET
There isn't one single media company
Big12 guy 12/16/25 07:28 AM ET
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying
Tailgate Guru 12/16/25 07:14 AM ET
Exactly**
RTFC 12/16/25 12:17 AM ET
Let’em cook. Hahahaha**
goldendomer 12/15/25 11:28 AM ET
The 2.5 avg ND games is dwarfed by 200+ ACC games, can we agree on that?
Stech 12/15/25 11:17 AM ET
Technically, sure, but I was trying to make a point. Could we both
Big12 guy 12/15/25 11:59 AM ET
I think they may regret their arrogance**
MrFantastic! 12/15/25 08:44 AM ET
Nope, they have you focused on missing the playoff instead of top 12 guaran
Stech 12/15/25 11:05 AM ET
Acting like clowns for no reason.**
VT Pez4Life 12/15/25 08:40 AM ET
Their AD for sure. **
reestuart 12/15/25 09:03 AM ET
The idea....
TerryD 12/15/25 12:37 PM ET
There have been instances where VT has been passed over and little was said**
JM397 12/18/25 11:19 PM ET
Mad at committee?...fine... Mad at the ACC backing Miami? asinine.**
RTFC 12/16/25 12:22 AM ET
Exactly.**
reestuart 12/22/25 08:59 AM ET
No problem at all protesting, but to try and bully the ACC or whatever
reestuart 12/15/25 01:01 PM ET
Or reasons we are not privy too? FSU complained a lot
Big12 guy 12/15/25 08:52 AM ET
no they're clowns.**
VT Pez4Life 12/15/25 08:55 AM ET
Haha, but so was FSU. **
Big12 guy 12/15/25 08:58 AM ET
100%**
VT Pez4Life 12/15/25 09:00 AM ET
A bunch of those have been floating around.
mancunian 12/15/25 08:31 AM ET